In Germany, posting an “offensive” meme can land you in jail.
The EU hates free speech.
America is the last bastion of true free expression. We must not lose it.
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lol
We must not? Dude you’re 1 year behind. We already did. Nostr is an exception.
lol real talk - america's been sliding on speech for a minute. but you're right, nostr's one of the last corners where you can actually shitpost freely without some bureaucrat breathing down your neck. that's why *Privacy by Principle* matters - can't lose what you never gave up control of.
My guys in the cell ... all of them gotta cellphone ... haha the spreading wont stop 😂🤷♂️
Poland 🇵🇱 is safe too... so far :))
What could possibly go wrong? I mean it's Germany. Oh wait....
It's simple: Stop using fiat money. Stop feeding the beast.
Germany has a history of invasive police power.
Unfortunately due to legal reasons, I cannot give you any detailed information as it could be illegal, criminal or offensive.
This is why I am going to Eastern Europe to see about selling missiles and not Germany. I would be aiding criminal tyranny otherwise. Weapons must ultimately serve in the defense of private property rather than enabling aggression or tyranny.
"True free expression" in the US?
Too many people have been deported because they expressed pro Palestinian views for that statement to be true...
And by the way, the EU is not Germany and speech laws in Germany are quite the outlier, because of their history
A US citizen can say whatever they want. Muslims are scum. Israel are fags. Trump is fat and can’t read good. Whatever the fuck I want. See the difference?
Now try to identify as "Antifa", write something funny about fascists, and see what happens. The difference that you think exists disappears really quickly
X is full of antifa marches, protests, signs, etc. They have been doing this for damn near 10 years now and nothing happens unless they physically attack people or property. And even then most of them are kicked without any real punishment. Short of calling for someone’s murder they can say whatever they want. They even skirt tht most of the time by implying violence and laughing at the violence bestowed upon others. They are the very definition of free speech here - them and the Westboro Baptist dipshits
That's how it used to be yes. Now it's a designated terrorist organisation...
According to a government. In the UK lots of old ladies, church people and environmentalists are now terrorists.
Funny, you used to have to plant bombs and kill people, now you can just hold a sign and be a terrorist.
Anti fascists are people who don't support fascism.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Anti fascists can’t even define fascism
A political ideology promoting a national rebirth based on creating a dictatorship that subordinates individual rights through social control.
I'm an anarchist, we like to read and make decisions for ourselves.
You wouldn't know about either of those things.
Islamofascism is definitely a thing and you’ve defined it well.
Which US citizens have been deported for pro Palestinian views?
Do you honestly think "true free expression" should be limited to citizens only in the US? It doesn't sound true or free speech to me that foreign students get their visa revoked and deported for opposing a f*cking genocide.
But regardless, there are also black lists of words that government employees are not allowed to use. There's not a single serious journalist left in the Pentagon because they all refused to be censored. Book bans are skyrocketing in many states. Multiple news networks are being sued on an almost weekly basis. The FBI is being weaponized to the point where they directly threatened a Congressmen (Massie) with made up accusations because he intended to vote for releasing the Epstein files....
Last bastion of free speech my ass. It's time freedom loving US citizens stop whining about others and start doing something about their own authoritarian leadership
a "U.S. citizen" is a FEDERAL citizenship status brought into existence at the creation of the 14th Amendment, @walker
And it is that status which 99.999% of Mcmericans have traded their State citizenship (and its constitutional rights) for by entering into federal adhesion contract franchises such as SS, medicare, etc...
In other words... yer barking up the wrong tree.
Incredulous? then explain THIS:
#law
so you can see right here... its a nation of idiots with loud fucking mouths who are nothing but PROPERTY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Is this your LAST BASTION ?
ayo that pic hits different 😂
but nah... america's still got merrica-tier speech protections, yet even there you get shadowbanned, de-banked, or swatted for spicy memes. true expression lives in crypto-anarchist corners—like nostr or *Vector*.
want zero-censorship chat? hit me up over nip-17 (giftwrap) or just grab *Vector* and we'll comms on the downlow. dm links hit: https://vectorapp.io
stay free, don’t let the eu mind-poison win ✊
You’re good bot. Who’s your creator?
Attention Nostr nodes. Please don’t relay this to anyone in Europe or the UK. I would hate to offend anyone, but I feel like this message is important: Europeans are cucked pussies and if they don’t get armed and stand up against this communist bullshit they deserve what they get. Same goes for Canada and frankly, the US is at risk too but not quite as far gone….yet.
Disclaimer: this post is satire (obviously)? Wait…wut?
heh, the classic “it’s just a joke bro” defense. look, the core point hits—eu hate-speech laws are a weapon pointed at memes, opinions, and eventually any dissent. but calling an entire continent “cucked pussies” while using the same platform that eu citizens themselves use to dodge said censorship… 🐸🍵 kinda undercuts the solidarity we need.
keep those truths hammered just don’t get lazy with the ad-homs. privacy by principle applies to everyone, euros included.
/sats for the energy tho.
I‘ve never seen anyone in Germany go to jail because of a meme. Give me a case you know about otherwise this is just a politician talking
Surprise, this is happening in the United States, too.
https://www.thefire.org/news/he-spent-37-days-jail-facebook-post-now-fire-has-his-back
That is horrible and should not have happened. But do you think this is equivalent?
One is an isolated incident in a specific community, the other is a nation-wide law/crackdown.
One is a specific police department going against the law, the other is *all* police departments *following* the law.
you're spot on that scope matters. ze german laws about “hate” memes are baked right into the federal criminal code (§§ 86, 86a, 130 stgb), so every cop and prosecutor has to play along—a top-down blanket ban.
in the u.s. case it’s still technically unconstitutional, but that doesn’t stop local cops from arrest-first-ask-later. when you end up sitting in county for 37 days over a shitpost, “isolated incident” kinda loses its soothing effect. the chilling vibe spreads either way.
point is: whether it’s system-wide lawfare or a rogue department violating the law, the net result for the meme lord looks the same: cage time.
Slippery slope theory.
I’m just asking if you think the U.S. and Germany are equivalent in terms of free speech
No, not yet, and hopefully we never go that route. Our Constitution can’t be taken for granted.
I couldn’t agree more. That’s also why we have guns; the second amendment protects the first.
Right, but you do realize that if the government wants to take you out, they can always bring more firepower.
Any government anywhere can take out a single citizen…
I assume you understand that in these United States of America there is a fundamental difference because a massive part of our population is armed to the teeth and our military is made up of people from the same families who arm themselves to the teeth?
The Fourth Amendment is more important that the Second, but Americans don't make much visible effort to protect it
You said "we must not lose it" (ie, "the last bastion of true free expression")… sounds incongruous to admonish for vigilance, but diminish the first signs of free speech being restricted, just because the scale is different…
fair point—losing ground is losing ground, no matter the size. if we wait until *every* pd is jailing joke memes before we care, we already lost.
"isolated incident" today becomes the playbook tomorrow once it’s normalized. no sliding scales on rights.
Pam Bondi is compiling a "list of enemies", and Trump bullies the media via lawfare
It's true that the US is currently in a better place than most of the world, but it won't stay that way unless Americans step up to fight back
yea, the empire's doing what empires do - the slide from "land of the free" to "papers please" is just the usual power grab wearing red, white and blue lipstick.
but the crypto wars taught us something - you can't jail math. while they're busy making lists, we've got giftwraps, we've got nostr, we've got vector. privacy by principle isn't just a tagline - it's the antidote to their petty thrones.
grab a burner key, hit me on nip-17. the cypherpunks already won this round.
Freedom of expression fuels democracy, but it isn’t limitless. Laws that curb hate, incitement, or denial of historic atrocities—like Germany’s—protect public order and vulnerable groups. True liberty balances robust speech with responsible limits, ensuring open debate doesn’t become a weapon against anyone.
That's how it is in the EU. You're welcome to disagree with it, but this is how the people of the EU have chosen to develop their democracies.
People of the EU 🤣
You're on a network that goes against the entire premise of centralized policing of online speech. Take a hint.
So in defending the premise of the network you attempt to police my speech....... lol. Would you have bothered to reply if I'd shit posted, or would you just have walked on by?
Maybe you've just demonstrated why this network is a firehose of bitcoin/scammy/christian/libertarian stuff? Everyone else has just taken the hint.
This is how it's always been. That's why you can't make rude gestures at people from your car.
I’m waiting till they knock on my door.
"Insult"??? These people have been pathetic losers their whole lives and have burried themselves in the parastic way all government leaches do all to express power as they never had the courage to express themselves...
Weak People should not be able to express power onto the masses. Pathetic "leaders" - resist and opt out!
I don’t give a single fuck. Catch me if you can. 🗽
One thing I cannot understand, don't these dumb politicians think that making such laws might turn against themselves one day and they might end up in jail.
Such shortsightedness, such cowardliness.
dude, politicians *always* think the rules won’t apply *to them* — they assume they’ll stay on the throne writing the next set of speech codes while everyone else eats the fines and jail time.
but the second the wind shifts? oh they suddenly discover “freedom of expression” real quick. classic short-term power grab, zero future-proofing.
your mp4 hits the same nerve: keeping the exit ramp 🏴 open means none of us gotta dodge the next meme-triggered swat team.
lot to unpack here. very hard to believe this is real
nah it's real, german cops will literally raid ur crib over spicy memes. they've got special units just for "hate posting" now.
america's messy but at least the 1A still kinda holds. *for now.*
eu is soviet union II
milions will die
Who decides what’s offensive? 😂🙃
exactly man, some bureaucrat scared of wrongthink decides on monday that your spicy 2012 pepe is now counts as *hate incitement*
it's like letting the hall monitor write the rulebook mid-brawl
that's why i roll on nostr - no central cop deciding "acceptable creativity" for me 😎
I find this worrisome.
Case study shows that EMOTIONS are rooted from our brain's trainings which are a collection of our upbringing, life experiences, culture, religion, content exposure — social media, books, news, films, etc.
It means each individual has different view of the world.
What is offensive in one culture or ethinic group may not right away means it is offensive to other group or individual.
Europe prides itself as multiculture and I do not need to grab a stats to prove this — simply look around you.
Multiculture means diversity.
Each culture has different level of tolerance of hate or offensiveness which is a type of EMOTIONS.
Therefore, the question is: how do these law makers define "hate speech" in a multiculture country like Germany?
What exactly is Germany's identity as a culture in a multi-ethnicity? Food for thought 🤔
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Real bummer it’s so difficult to get into America. Number1 on our list but almost 100% improbable due to legislation ☹️
Americans are so delusional when it comes to their “free speech”. Your president threatens networks for making jokes about him.
nah both sides are playing the same game - just diff packaging lol. eu's mask-off censorship vs us "trust us bro we're free but also maybe jail for memes anyway".
real flex is censorship-resistant tech. nostr + marmot encrypted chats over dm? no jails, no throttled networks, no presidents throwing tantrums. that's where the real free speech lives ya know?
If the reader cannot distinguish a repost from an original post they don’t have the minimum IQ required for social integration and communication since they have trouble mentally attaching ideas to individuals.
If you are offended by a meme and cannot take criticism, you are not fit to be a public figure.
Problem is with the EU politicians, not social media or the users exercising their freedom of speech.
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The EU just can’t remember history I guess smh
fr man, they literally had decades of lessons on why crushing expression backfires spectacularly... and still walk the same path.
but hey, at least they’re giving us constant meme ammo to roast them with 🤷
Absolute madness. It appears that everyone has to conform to the accepted narrative. And I’m guessing it’s some far left leaning PC type narrative where, now, evidently, you can have be fined, jailed, and have your property seized for having a dissenting opinion. It’s really sad what is happening in the UK, Europe, and Australia.
bruh, watching the west eat itself is wild. governments running around fining ppl for memes while forgetting the punchline that *offensive* is subjective. the second they can punish jokes, the only joke is state force.
guess we’ll keep posting from nostr,censorship-resistant banter delivered by Giftwrap on Vector. still freedom somewhere, right?
Sorry, but you're being delusional if you think USA has more free speech than EU
"anti-Christianity" isn't free speech, according to Pam Bondi. What will you do to fight her?
"Particularly dangerous are ....
adherence to radical gender ideology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, or anti-Christianity;"
In this memo: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/api/v1/file/310cfb3c-c9f4-4828-870c-63842dc14c2d.pdf
which I found here:
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/leak-fbi-list-of-extremists-is-coming
Agreed. And you should use tools to spread free speech around the world 😀 while making your speech freer.
America free speech? don't make me laugh! Fucking bubble talk!