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Gigi 4mo ago 💬 101

Here's a left-side-of-the-bell-curve way to do the Internet Archive "right":

- Create browser extension

- User loads page

- User clicks "archive" button

- Whatever is in user's browser gets signed & published to relays

- Archival event contains URL, timestamp, etc.

- Do OpenTimestamps attestation via NIP-03

- ???

- Profit

I'm sure there's a 100 details I'm glossing over but because this is user-driven and does all the archiving "on the edge" it would just work, not only in theory but very much so in practice.

The reason why the Internet Archive can be blocked is because it is a central thing, and if users do an archival request they don't do the archiving themselves, they send the request to a central server that does the archiving. And that central server can be blocked.

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Joel Walbert 4mo ago

I like the sound of this. 🫡🏴‍☠️

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Hazey 4mo ago

Yeah, I don't want to click links and deal with paywalls, ads, and trackers. Instead I would like to see a long form note containing the archived page. Notes that contain archived pages can also benefit from disqus-style comments.

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casey is remote 4mo ago 💬 5

nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqdergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fstyhp90 You talking about using the #blockchain for this?

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Gigi 4mo ago 💬 2

No and if I ever do please do not hesitate to push me in front of a moving train from a bridge with a flamethrower

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atyh 4mo ago

is there an option to just say no without the murder part?

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Duvel 4mo ago

Yes, it needs to be stored decentralized. Maybe torrents can also be used in a way to make it more resilient?

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theda 4mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qqspaf7trnxzrgaq6zcxgkgqrkr4wcq2h5xf8djg7ac4h7s6g5r702cpr9mhxue69uhkuurjdau8jtntwf5hxarpwpekktnvwcqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshwp35g The People’s Record hashes to the bitcoin blockchain?

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bodhi 4mo ago

Correct!

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waxwing 4mo ago

Tlsnotary style proofs are kind of needed imo.

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SwBratcher 4mo ago

GitChain :: Internet Archive Repository

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HoloKat 4mo ago

Maybe a way to zap most active archivers

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Cameri🐦‍🔥 4mo ago

- Publish browser extension to zap store

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eee8f902... 4mo ago

I'm not saying this isn't an issue with Internet Archive, but would it be easy to spoof page contents?

If so, it would be neat to allow other npubs to sign and verify content is accurate

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Duvel 4mo ago

That is a very integrating suggestion. E.g. the hash of the single archived page should match the hash of the original single page.

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Gigi 4mo ago

Can be done implicitly. If my archived version is the same as your archived version I automatically vouch for your version.

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Technical Debt 4mo ago

I hate to bring the bad news but, without some added mechanism, this would only work for truly static pages (i.e. those where the same .html file is served over and over again) whereas most of the content served is tainted with server generated “fluffy”, which could range from some ads on the sidebar to the very text of an article being changed.

My point is: even if we both visit the same “page” at the same time, it’s more likely than not that we’ll get different versions served, even if they differ only by a few lines of code and would look identical as far as the actual content is concerned.

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hzrd149 4mo ago

Just need to nostrify (add social login) to this https://webrecorder.net/archivewebpage/

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Sebastix 4mo ago

Interesting! This extension will archive a complete website?

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Duvel 4mo ago

A would say a single page.

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hzrd149 4mo ago

It records a session, so a whole website if you click everything

IMO recording the session is better than trying to crawl the whole site since it captures exactly what you interested in and doesn't get confused by the way websites are built nowadays

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the axiom 4mo ago

true

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Laeserin 🇻🇦 4mo ago

That's like the Playwright snapshots.

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Laeserin 🇻🇦 4mo ago

Consider using kind 31. We put some thought into the tags, to meet academic citation standards.

{

"kind": 31,

"pubkey": "",

"tags": [

// mandatory tags

["u", ""]

["accessed_on", ""],

["title", ""],</p><p>["author", "<author to display for citation>"],</p><p>// additional, optional tags</p><p>["published_on", "<date-time in ISO 8601 format>"],</p><p>["published_by", "<who published the citation>"],</p><p>["version", "<version or edition of the publication>"],</p><p>["location", "<where was it written or published>"],</p><p>["g", "<geohash of the precise location>"],</p><p>["open_timestamp", "<`e` tag of kind 1040 event>"],</p><p>["summary", "<short explanation of which topics the citation covers>"],</p><p>],</p><p>"content": "<text cited>"</p><p>}</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-ed2095c9c969db00e429ee25f57e1f9ad36f18d1debcd030f19476098bb6497a" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-5fdce57293cbd844bb730903b316d0112c322ec6ded4b16d6e8ec1c1e96dc46f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/5fdce57293cbd844bb730903b316d0112c322ec6ded4b16d6e8ec1c1e96dc46f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T19:46:03Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('5fdce57293cbd844bb730903b316d0112c322ec6ded4b16d6e8ec1c1e96dc46f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-5fdce57293cbd844bb730903b316d0112c322ec6ded4b16d6e8ec1c1e96dc46f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>That's very much right-side-of-the-bell-curve from the looks of it.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-d0c9c757e51315f7bff80930b4ed7f229c840d9b456ee1547f1475ee5498ff54"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/d0c9c757e51315f7bff80930b4ed7f229c840d9b456ee1547f1475ee5498ff54" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T19:51:04Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('d0c9c757e51315f7bff80930b4ed7f229c840d9b456ee1547f1475ee5498ff54')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-d0c9c757e51315f7bff80930b4ed7f229c840d9b456ee1547f1475ee5498ff54"> <div class="note-content"> <p>If we wanna use something existing as the base and add some nostr magic to it I'd probably go with something like ArchiveBox</p><p><a href="https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://github.com/ArchiveBox/ArchiveBox</a></p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-bc0fd836fdadbca96b21409d50e016e46bb9ae5c72948bc87cb4983a893ae4ce"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/NqX203JolXWepok2.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> elsat </span> </a> <a href="/post/bc0fd836fdadbca96b21409d50e016e46bb9ae5c72948bc87cb4983a893ae4ce" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T19:52:07Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('bc0fd836fdadbca96b21409d50e016e46bb9ae5c72948bc87cb4983a893ae4ce')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-bc0fd836fdadbca96b21409d50e016e46bb9ae5c72948bc87cb4983a893ae4ce"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Yuge. Immediate fork, with upstream nostr PR would be 🔥</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-4" id="note-4c8eec1d4c928e9aa57b4b654c1b25cdb732ecd14dc0c7c9c35230ac17e4a529"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/4c8eec1d4c928e9aa57b4b654c1b25cdb732ecd14dc0c7c9c35230ac17e4a529" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:14:32Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('4c8eec1d4c928e9aa57b4b654c1b25cdb732ecd14dc0c7c9c35230ac17e4a529')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-4c8eec1d4c928e9aa57b4b654c1b25cdb732ecd14dc0c7c9c35230ac17e4a529"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Or better yet: <a href="https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://github.com/gildas-lormeau/SingleFile</a> - very simple, and is a browser extension already.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-5" id="note-946743749dbbda84334482061f9aba4eb56f14cec805780c0f876417d304e984"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/NqX203JolXWepok2.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> elsat </span> </a> <a href="/post/946743749dbbda84334482061f9aba4eb56f14cec805780c0f876417d304e984" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:16:49Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('946743749dbbda84334482061f9aba4eb56f14cec805780c0f876417d304e984')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-946743749dbbda84334482061f9aba4eb56f14cec805780c0f876417d304e984"> <div class="note-content"> <p>nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 nostr:npub1yaul8k059377u9lsu67de7y637w4jtgeuwcmh5n7788l6xnlnrgs3tvjmf can y’all combine with nostr browser extension?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-6" id="note-dd274421c0689b3796089d564e26f1fe1d62b3570c536ac1eff7e06f3f02fdbb"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/dd274421c0689b3796089d564e26f1fe1d62b3570c536ac1eff7e06f3f02fdbb" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:22:51Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('dd274421c0689b3796089d564e26f1fe1d62b3570c536ac1eff7e06f3f02fdbb')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-dd274421c0689b3796089d564e26f1fe1d62b3570c536ac1eff7e06f3f02fdbb"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Push output HTML file to blossom & create archive event accordingly.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-7" id="note-616bba76d00b8006613fe846dfb851ce1535412020b2d5eca572fb6129679ce3"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/616bba76d00b8006613fe846dfb851ce1535412020b2d5eca572fb6129679ce3" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:23:52Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('616bba76d00b8006613fe846dfb851ce1535412020b2d5eca572fb6129679ce3')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-616bba76d00b8006613fe846dfb851ce1535412020b2d5eca572fb6129679ce3"> <div class="note-content"> <p>SingleFile can even be set up to push things to an arbitrary API. So it should be possible to jerryrig this quite quickly with some spit and some duct tape.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-8" id="note-59e6a3035ecd59177db2ca551d4b370632c4fa1cef281a4d04875555b7b311ad"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549"> <img src="https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/alpe-di-siusi-sunrise-with-sassolungo-or-langkofel-royalty-free-image-1623254127.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549"> the axiom </span> </a> <a href="/post/59e6a3035ecd59177db2ca551d4b370632c4fa1cef281a4d04875555b7b311ad" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T23:09:24Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('59e6a3035ecd59177db2ca551d4b370632c4fa1cef281a4d04875555b7b311ad')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-59e6a3035ecd59177db2ca551d4b370632c4fa1cef281a4d04875555b7b311ad"> <div class="note-content"> <p>duct tape is stupid short sighted, you need a decent standard</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-59e6a3035ecd59177db2ca551d4b370632c4fa1cef281a4d04875555b7b311ad" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-616bba76d00b8006613fe846dfb851ce1535412020b2d5eca572fb6129679ce3" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-7" id="note-4842b20523af6d9d881ec2b8e60ef1c43e907271d0bbe35722f351fd3001069b"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/NqX203JolXWepok2.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="17538dc2a62769d09443f18c37cbe358fab5bbf981173542aa7c5ff171ed77c4"> elsat </span> </a> <a href="/post/4842b20523af6d9d881ec2b8e60ef1c43e907271d0bbe35722f351fd3001069b" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:24:42Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('4842b20523af6d9d881ec2b8e60ef1c43e907271d0bbe35722f351fd3001069b')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-4842b20523af6d9d881ec2b8e60ef1c43e907271d0bbe35722f351fd3001069b"> <div class="note-content"> <p>nostr:npub1ye5ptcxfyyxl5vjvdjar2ua3f0hynkjzpx552mu5snj3qmx5pzjscpknpr does blossom have some micro-payment mechanism to allow payment for server costs of hosting a webpage?</p><p>Maybe per file/webpage?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-8" id="note-36190d87eda1462df1021a0f9e476af8c6366f0c59534a037b329256537756a4"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549"> <img src="https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/alpe-di-siusi-sunrise-with-sassolungo-or-langkofel-royalty-free-image-1623254127.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980:*" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="8fb9450003a599bb1b34f03fadb9b137f6c0e5a850ba205964bee4732ccce549"> the axiom </span> </a> <a href="/post/36190d87eda1462df1021a0f9e476af8c6366f0c59534a037b329256537756a4" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T23:11:33Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('36190d87eda1462df1021a0f9e476af8c6366f0c59534a037b329256537756a4')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-36190d87eda1462df1021a0f9e476af8c6366f0c59534a037b329256537756a4"> <div class="note-content"> <p>we need this</p><p>nostr:nprofile1qqsw9n8heusyq0el9f99tveg7r0rhcu9tznatuekxt764m78ymqu36cpr3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6tcpzdmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuef0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtn4w3ux7tn0dejj7ne6u4e</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-36190d87eda1462df1021a0f9e476af8c6366f0c59534a037b329256537756a4" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-8" id="note-5e16011bb385fa000dfa23df5bc0b90061487f53de9289275ccaa5ca79c1f3da"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/266815e0c9210dfa324c6cba3573b14bee49da4209a9456f9484e5106cd408a5"> <img src="https://cdn.hzrd149.com/5ed3fe5df09a74e8c126831eac999364f9eb7624e2b86d521521b8021de20bdc.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/266815e0c9210dfa324c6cba3573b14bee49da4209a9456f9484e5106cd408a5" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="266815e0c9210dfa324c6cba3573b14bee49da4209a9456f9484e5106cd408a5"> hzrd149 </span> </a> <a href="/post/5e16011bb385fa000dfa23df5bc0b90061487f53de9289275ccaa5ca79c1f3da" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T23:40:37Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('5e16011bb385fa000dfa23df5bc0b90061487f53de9289275ccaa5ca79c1f3da')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-5e16011bb385fa000dfa23df5bc0b90061487f53de9289275ccaa5ca79c1f3da"> <div class="note-content"> <p>It depends on the server. Some servers can require the user to be subscribed. But there is also an option to pay-per-request. I built an example server using it</p><p><a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/morning-glory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://github.com/hzrd149/morning-glory</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-5e16011bb385fa000dfa23df5bc0b90061487f53de9289275ccaa5ca79c1f3da" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-4842b20523af6d9d881ec2b8e60ef1c43e907271d0bbe35722f351fd3001069b" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-dd274421c0689b3796089d564e26f1fe1d62b3570c536ac1eff7e06f3f02fdbb" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-946743749dbbda84334482061f9aba4eb56f14cec805780c0f876417d304e984" style="display: none;"> <span 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onclick="toggleNote('311fa619dee737e3960fc59fe91fd08a949eb64df41ab879c9d024db606e995a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-311fa619dee737e3960fc59fe91fd08a949eb64df41ab879c9d024db606e995a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>how can you prevent users from tampering the website content and posting a fake snapshot?</p><p>I think you could create a pool of "trusted" archivers that take the snapshots on your request for 1 sats or something.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-8a7d6f3926d9e8c7343a0eef601f83f89033f2537a33431e7888cc8aa57ed921"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> <img src="https://fiatjaf.com/static/favicon.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> fiatjaf </span> </a> <a href="/post/8a7d6f3926d9e8c7343a0eef601f83f89033f2537a33431e7888cc8aa57ed921" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:36:21Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('8a7d6f3926d9e8c7343a0eef601f83f89033f2537a33431e7888cc8aa57ed921')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-8a7d6f3926d9e8c7343a0eef601f83f89033f2537a33431e7888cc8aa57ed921"> <div class="note-content"> <p>You can't, you have to trust the archiver, as with anything in Nostr.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-3e24af4ebea6fd44f5289e9ebfd66f4d0ba6baa7ee4091ac1ac0aaf43adfb2a5"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/3e24af4ebea6fd44f5289e9ebfd66f4d0ba6baa7ee4091ac1ac0aaf43adfb2a5" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:36:45Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('3e24af4ebea6fd44f5289e9ebfd66f4d0ba6baa7ee4091ac1ac0aaf43adfb2a5')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-3e24af4ebea6fd44f5289e9ebfd66f4d0ba6baa7ee4091ac1ac0aaf43adfb2a5"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Well, now we trust the internet archive don't we?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-1b5e05036e7933c4a58084217e2b1b216e6ed9fef2722bc32ca87fa7b6b0d2d2"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/7MUCAqJRjESmFuqc.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7"> Nathan Day </span> </a> <a href="/post/1b5e05036e7933c4a58084217e2b1b216e6ed9fef2722bc32ca87fa7b6b0d2d2" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:49:14Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('1b5e05036e7933c4a58084217e2b1b216e6ed9fef2722bc32ca87fa7b6b0d2d2')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-1b5e05036e7933c4a58084217e2b1b216e6ed9fef2722bc32ca87fa7b6b0d2d2"> <div class="note-content"> <p>We are the archivers now.</p><p>Attestations provide WoT for events; in this case web archives.</p><p><a href="https://nostrhub.io/naddr1qvzqqqrcvypzp384u7n44r8rdq74988lqcmggww998jjg0rtzfd6dpufrxy9djk8qqxxzar5v4ehgct5d9hkuucwjpt8v" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://nostrhub.io/naddr1qvzqqqrcvypzp384u7n44r8rdq74988lqcmggww998jjg0rtzfd6dpufrxy9djk8qqxxzar5v4ehgct5d9hkuucwjpt8v</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-1b5e05036e7933c4a58084217e2b1b216e6ed9fef2722bc32ca87fa7b6b0d2d2" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-8fba96b456c6245b8af2769b562a9d733c5fe18e6f47c6d58c4a6ea850c26974"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/d7b48a06327df59085e03190817cb7c8af4abef05b7f1d9581ebc4f2234507fa.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f"> Karadenizli </span> </a> <a href="/post/8fba96b456c6245b8af2769b562a9d733c5fe18e6f47c6d58c4a6ea850c26974" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T13:22:29Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('8fba96b456c6245b8af2769b562a9d733c5fe18e6f47c6d58c4a6ea850c26974')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-8fba96b456c6245b8af2769b562a9d733c5fe18e6f47c6d58c4a6ea850c26974"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Well yes, that's their whole service though. They are used because people trust them. We need to provide at least as much confidence as them.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-4" id="note-2263608276132033f3597bd375a4363c2c1ebec629d76b49bf1cc6011b2c900c"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/J5FbcWIF8EKl3UvZ.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712"> Dawn </span> </a> <a href="/post/2263608276132033f3597bd375a4363c2c1ebec629d76b49bf1cc6011b2c900c" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T14:14:05Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('2263608276132033f3597bd375a4363c2c1ebec629d76b49bf1cc6011b2c900c')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-2263608276132033f3597bd375a4363c2c1ebec629d76b49bf1cc6011b2c900c"> <div class="note-content"> <p>There's no reason a service(s) couldn't coexist alongside or within a network of individuals. Said services could even recruit contributors from the wider network, or make a service out of "verifying" and storing network events that they deem "accurate", on their own relays. The 2 things would help create accountability for both.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-5" id="note-b993f20eaeb26ee4d9e1dfd9856060eeb5c9cfb058b99dda2ff16ab81db1f11f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/d7b48a06327df59085e03190817cb7c8af4abef05b7f1d9581ebc4f2234507fa.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="a0cb70d3208f5f7cf66b9cbb582ef1e215ef4ef0c9531863858fb664ddfb0b8f"> Karadenizli </span> </a> <a href="/post/b993f20eaeb26ee4d9e1dfd9856060eeb5c9cfb058b99dda2ff16ab81db1f11f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T17:54:44Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('b993f20eaeb26ee4d9e1dfd9856060eeb5c9cfb058b99dda2ff16ab81db1f11f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-b993f20eaeb26ee4d9e1dfd9856060eeb5c9cfb058b99dda2ff16ab81db1f11f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>But at that point, that service needs to render and download the page. Then they need to compare it to the page downloaded by the user. You can't use a comparison operator or anything because on most pages, it will vary based on the user and device. You would need manual review and judgement calls by the reviewer which will have to check word by word to see if anything is removed or added, then for display they will have to decide if differences in presentation are valid or not.</p><p>Basically, checking a page uploaded by another user is far more laborious and complex than just capturing it yourself.</p><p>The far more likely scenario if this is implemented is, there will not be a separate service verifying pages uploaded by global users, but those services will be the ones capturing and uploading the sites. So the user will still just tell these guys a link for them to screenshot, but there will be multiple competing services that the user can choose from, and they will all be interoperable from multiple clients.</p><p>While any npub can post a capture, all the clients will curate the captures based on the trustability of the npub and your captures won't be used for anything but curious people looking up shit for reference. Most clients will work on a fully whitelist basis, only showing captures from a few selected npubs, banning them at the first sign of forgery.</p><p>This is still better than the internet archive, but you will never see crowdsourced web captures that are worth shit to anyone.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-b993f20eaeb26ee4d9e1dfd9856060eeb5c9cfb058b99dda2ff16ab81db1f11f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-2263608276132033f3597bd375a4363c2c1ebec629d76b49bf1cc6011b2c900c" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-8fba96b456c6245b8af2769b562a9d733c5fe18e6f47c6d58c4a6ea850c26974" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-3e24af4ebea6fd44f5289e9ebfd66f4d0ba6baa7ee4091ac1ac0aaf43adfb2a5" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-4ebb8b70df9792de1f11ca9a67806350e9b30dfb8e7a146cb1e26113f2286945"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/06b7819d7f1c7f5472118266ed7bca8785dceae09e36ea3a4af665c6d1d8327c"> <img src="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/trbouma/assets/main/profile_pic_crop.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/06b7819d7f1c7f5472118266ed7bca8785dceae09e36ea3a4af665c6d1d8327c" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="06b7819d7f1c7f5472118266ed7bca8785dceae09e36ea3a4af665c6d1d8327c"> Tim Bouma </span> </a> <a href="/post/4ebb8b70df9792de1f11ca9a67806350e9b30dfb8e7a146cb1e26113f2286945" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:44:04Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('4ebb8b70df9792de1f11ca9a67806350e9b30dfb8e7a146cb1e26113f2286945')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-4ebb8b70df9792de1f11ca9a67806350e9b30dfb8e7a146cb1e26113f2286945"> <div class="note-content"> <p>The NIP on attestations that nostr:nprofile1qqsvfa085adgecmg84ffelcxx6zrn3ffu5jrc6cjtwng0zge3ptv43cpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgcwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcwmah2e developed addresses this issue. Originally for proof of place but has been generalized. Ultimately you have to trust the attestor.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-4ebb8b70df9792de1f11ca9a67806350e9b30dfb8e7a146cb1e26113f2286945" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-82613c3f0f0d629389addb7a4aa7f9b4d10fcdd44704913c975906627f280f77"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/0f1b5961795de31168334c0131986126c55d47ba88a3ff10d309de62868242bd"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/cf0f8b83d42245d19fe8508089bcd89c779f0b579ad177100ea317664ac3dc32.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/0f1b5961795de31168334c0131986126c55d47ba88a3ff10d309de62868242bd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="0f1b5961795de31168334c0131986126c55d47ba88a3ff10d309de62868242bd"> Scott </span> </a> <a href="/post/82613c3f0f0d629389addb7a4aa7f9b4d10fcdd44704913c975906627f280f77" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T14:03:40Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> <span class="reply-count" aria-label="View replies">💬 1</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('82613c3f0f0d629389addb7a4aa7f9b4d10fcdd44704913c975906627f280f77')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-82613c3f0f0d629389addb7a4aa7f9b4d10fcdd44704913c975906627f280f77"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I would view one person archiving a webpage differently than many people archiving that same webpage.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-776b4572dc06b47d689baad3d8a6528c7801401574e69e70296b1c03fe5ead9b"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/fb1366abd5e4c92a8a950791bc72d51bde291a83555cb2c629a92fedd78068ac"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/eVm0.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/fb1366abd5e4c92a8a950791bc72d51bde291a83555cb2c629a92fedd78068ac" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="fb1366abd5e4c92a8a950791bc72d51bde291a83555cb2c629a92fedd78068ac"> Shawn </span> </a> <a href="/post/776b4572dc06b47d689baad3d8a6528c7801401574e69e70296b1c03fe5ead9b" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T14:54:15Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('776b4572dc06b47d689baad3d8a6528c7801401574e69e70296b1c03fe5ead9b')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-776b4572dc06b47d689baad3d8a6528c7801401574e69e70296b1c03fe5ead9b"> <div class="note-content"> <p>But web pages are often served differently to different visitors. There can be location /personalization variations of exactly the same page. Even to different logged-out, “anonymous” users.</p><p>Also, a “page” is more than a single page, there are usually dozens of associated files like css, js, and images. Just saving the html won’t get you very far when you want to look at it again later.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-4" id="note-2d1574de3ec82fbd7173e0d9daed3614bce98286d177dd89e49eed5e5e9397f6"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/2ad91f1dca2dcd5fc89e7208d1e5059f0bac0870d63fc3bac21c7a9388fa18fd"> <img src="https://m.primal.net/HcNC.gif" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/2ad91f1dca2dcd5fc89e7208d1e5059f0bac0870d63fc3bac21c7a9388fa18fd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="2ad91f1dca2dcd5fc89e7208d1e5059f0bac0870d63fc3bac21c7a9388fa18fd"> El Gorila 🇦🇷 </span> </a> <a href="/post/2d1574de3ec82fbd7173e0d9daed3614bce98286d177dd89e49eed5e5e9397f6" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T16:10:52Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('2d1574de3ec82fbd7173e0d9daed3614bce98286d177dd89e49eed5e5e9397f6')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-2d1574de3ec82fbd7173e0d9daed3614bce98286d177dd89e49eed5e5e9397f6"> <div class="note-content"> <p>you could normalize some params like browser engine, agent, javascript on/off, timezone, language, etc.</p><p>it would probably won't match exactly as you probably have trackers and different scripts</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-2d1574de3ec82fbd7173e0d9daed3614bce98286d177dd89e49eed5e5e9397f6" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-776b4572dc06b47d689baad3d8a6528c7801401574e69e70296b1c03fe5ead9b" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" 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onclick="toggleNote('4b33abb3389ef64951f92fa7aecfa5d572e41ffd25d2d5f0fbeef1245135de1f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-4b33abb3389ef64951f92fa7aecfa5d572e41ffd25d2d5f0fbeef1245135de1f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>that's why you have multiple sources (archivers).</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-4b33abb3389ef64951f92fa7aecfa5d572e41ffd25d2d5f0fbeef1245135de1f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-8a7d6f3926d9e8c7343a0eef601f83f89033f2537a33431e7888cc8aa57ed921" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-18a907851b11cf152ac57e21b7eed8828acc0caa5079a29868a40cbc5a4fb3a1"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> f7 </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> ihsotas </span> </a> <a href="/post/18a907851b11cf152ac57e21b7eed8828acc0caa5079a29868a40cbc5a4fb3a1" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T07:01:35Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('18a907851b11cf152ac57e21b7eed8828acc0caa5079a29868a40cbc5a4fb3a1')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-18a907851b11cf152ac57e21b7eed8828acc0caa5079a29868a40cbc5a4fb3a1"> <div class="note-content"> <p>You can’t but reputation of the archivist will come into play, you could also have multiple archives and ultimately there would be a consensus.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" 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title="06639a386c9c1014217622ccbcf40908c4f1a0c33e23f8d6d68f4abf655f8f71"> Sebastix </span> </a> <a href="/post/578d8948656b4d38be568f5dbabbaa3ce4b839bfb3035a402b7fb9ec82ba9904" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:32:02Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('578d8948656b4d38be568f5dbabbaa3ce4b839bfb3035a402b7fb9ec82ba9904')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-578d8948656b4d38be568f5dbabbaa3ce4b839bfb3035a402b7fb9ec82ba9904"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Hmmm we could nostrify <a href="https://linkwarden.app/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://linkwarden.app/</a> where all the data & assets should be stored on relays and blossom servers.</p><p>I have used Linkwarden (self-hosted) for a while for my bookmarks.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-ddd53b4af6b99f6d76840763b66d29456c9acf7600a5c90ca0accbf317d20430"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> 79 </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614"> Duvel </span> </a> <a href="/post/ddd53b4af6b99f6d76840763b66d29456c9acf7600a5c90ca0accbf317d20430" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T15:39:53Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('ddd53b4af6b99f6d76840763b66d29456c9acf7600a5c90ca0accbf317d20430')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-ddd53b4af6b99f6d76840763b66d29456c9acf7600a5c90ca0accbf317d20430"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Linkwarden looks great! What is a blossom server?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-31bbdd8b3648b3c6704ef46bb39d032d4edbfc3862ea43bea595d891c33861cd"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/fba1bbd8ab57f258673157defd5afc9ceda004c6845f99db3169fe4b61ba7416"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/c4da558c92d79f046c210543c262546df0e5cf64c0a6535d4ac24ba0730822a6.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/fba1bbd8ab57f258673157defd5afc9ceda004c6845f99db3169fe4b61ba7416" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="fba1bbd8ab57f258673157defd5afc9ceda004c6845f99db3169fe4b61ba7416"> 2140.wtf #blockworkgallery </span> </a> <a href="/post/31bbdd8b3648b3c6704ef46bb39d032d4edbfc3862ea43bea595d891c33861cd" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T19:48:20Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('31bbdd8b3648b3c6704ef46bb39d032d4edbfc3862ea43bea595d891c33861cd')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-31bbdd8b3648b3c6704ef46bb39d032d4edbfc3862ea43bea595d891c33861cd"> <div class="note-content"> <p>A place where media presented on nostr protocol are stored, compressed to be opened by any client. When you upload a video or image via nistr app you can choose a blossom server that stores it for you. It cannbe one that you run by yourself forever, this way you own your data. You don't want to store everything on the relays for many reasons...</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-be79f06f973363da94a97735eafa551a0c1311fb60682d1c547039ec1bd07e5f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> 79 </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="793b77b208bf4feab1a9f3050a2f7a5167b0db2c9e801e74a4d19b8747a40614"> Duvel </span> </a> <a href="/post/be79f06f973363da94a97735eafa551a0c1311fb60682d1c547039ec1bd07e5f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T21:26:52Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('be79f06f973363da94a97735eafa551a0c1311fb60682d1c547039ec1bd07e5f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-be79f06f973363da94a97735eafa551a0c1311fb60682d1c547039ec1bd07e5f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Very interesting. Thank you. Do you have a good link for beginners to run your own relay?</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-be79f06f973363da94a97735eafa551a0c1311fb60682d1c547039ec1bd07e5f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-31bbdd8b3648b3c6704ef46bb39d032d4edbfc3862ea43bea595d891c33861cd" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-ddd53b4af6b99f6d76840763b66d29456c9acf7600a5c90ca0accbf317d20430" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-f1b2f29f886a3bb6ff3404be733a9430ae0e442070cf32c85093f690dcbf9732"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/8633073b8567da97ad119fedd9716154aa283234cbb7d28d5131daa077d1cf7a"> <img src="https://nostr.build/i/4087ae50c9e1977f4368f1d3e5be2eab5e1813707889ec6d08feb0ddc862cb59.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/8633073b8567da97ad119fedd9716154aa283234cbb7d28d5131daa077d1cf7a" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="8633073b8567da97ad119fedd9716154aa283234cbb7d28d5131daa077d1cf7a"> Diacone Frost </span> </a> <a href="/post/f1b2f29f886a3bb6ff3404be733a9430ae0e442070cf32c85093f690dcbf9732" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T08:52:40Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('f1b2f29f886a3bb6ff3404be733a9430ae0e442070cf32c85093f690dcbf9732')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-f1b2f29f886a3bb6ff3404be733a9430ae0e442070cf32c85093f690dcbf9732"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Linkwarden has one big problem with accepting cookies dialogue. Your PDF will likely contain only that fcking popup.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-f1b2f29f886a3bb6ff3404be733a9430ae0e442070cf32c85093f690dcbf9732" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-578d8948656b4d38be568f5dbabbaa3ce4b839bfb3035a402b7fb9ec82ba9904" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-4af8b1cd06bfab4c4acf44afa0b67cac0e5e080694b34ff56b3ae0050905574f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6c792fd0fc84882216db08dfff16554c9f1ff7d82b928b481b9540f2c2cef70f"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> 6c </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6c792fd0fc84882216db08dfff16554c9f1ff7d82b928b481b9540f2c2cef70f" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6c792fd0fc84882216db08dfff16554c9f1ff7d82b928b481b9540f2c2cef70f"> NoStrFromObject </span> </a> <a href="/post/4af8b1cd06bfab4c4acf44afa0b67cac0e5e080694b34ff56b3ae0050905574f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:37:22Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('4af8b1cd06bfab4c4acf44afa0b67cac0e5e080694b34ff56b3ae0050905574f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-4af8b1cd06bfab4c4acf44afa0b67cac0e5e080694b34ff56b3ae0050905574f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>wasnt p2p yacy search engine doing archival and browsing and spidering stuff in the old days?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-bd423df735cfb9600a0113ee59d849ab107384f92e456f5a4ec9f8834836d6bd"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/bd471c25c4d886c5b3270d5058d148759bf0033e585f64ff21f4e3993c7935df"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/28d255bafe4206a7321f4f9de084e66453967f46443479b0dbfd07d3d217d986.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/bd471c25c4d886c5b3270d5058d148759bf0033e585f64ff21f4e3993c7935df" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="bd471c25c4d886c5b3270d5058d148759bf0033e585f64ff21f4e3993c7935df"> noname </span> </a> <a href="/post/bd423df735cfb9600a0113ee59d849ab107384f92e456f5a4ec9f8834836d6bd" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T13:54:00Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('bd423df735cfb9600a0113ee59d849ab107384f92e456f5a4ec9f8834836d6bd')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-bd423df735cfb9600a0113ee59d849ab107384f92e456f5a4ec9f8834836d6bd"> <div class="note-content"> <p>web archiving is a childs play.</p><p>what we want to do is decentralize web crawling data. nobody uses yacy which implicate it failed.</p><p>what is the total size of latest common crawl? (estimate)</p><p>Compressed size (gzip‑ed WARC) 250‑350 TB</p><p>solve this.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-bd423df735cfb9600a0113ee59d849ab107384f92e456f5a4ec9f8834836d6bd" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-4af8b1cd06bfab4c4acf44afa0b67cac0e5e080694b34ff56b3ae0050905574f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-0704e1d86790445f8d53cdeb66bc4aadbb5b9473f2ad943acabe56f36caa504a"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/1dd308de8012507f3b5274371ae522a083afbd375e7e18b92b8526e799accff0"> <img src="https://cdn.nostrcheck.me/223ae3dd1a6d129c34021b97f6dda819f6da22e85c68b9cb122c8e9d6e6a20cd.webp" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/1dd308de8012507f3b5274371ae522a083afbd375e7e18b92b8526e799accff0" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="1dd308de8012507f3b5274371ae522a083afbd375e7e18b92b8526e799accff0"> ghost of mordoria </span> </a> <a href="/post/0704e1d86790445f8d53cdeb66bc4aadbb5b9473f2ad943acabe56f36caa504a" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:41:29Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('0704e1d86790445f8d53cdeb66bc4aadbb5b9473f2ad943acabe56f36caa504a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-0704e1d86790445f8d53cdeb66bc4aadbb5b9473f2ad943acabe56f36caa504a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I'm sure you're not glossing over any details</p><p>academics might disagree but they're dead inside</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-0704e1d86790445f8d53cdeb66bc4aadbb5b9473f2ad943acabe56f36caa504a" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-b3b1c112ddb0f7ef37f50ac39268389d8e30f7e542ba62149e54e864710de176"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/3097c9da617f9da288249ce5b7ef7bfc4f7bab16e05653962c49567c3dddf53e.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe"> Egge </span> </a> <a href="/post/b3b1c112ddb0f7ef37f50ac39268389d8e30f7e542ba62149e54e864710de176" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:42:32Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('b3b1c112ddb0f7ef37f50ac39268389d8e30f7e542ba62149e54e864710de176')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-b3b1c112ddb0f7ef37f50ac39268389d8e30f7e542ba62149e54e864710de176"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I fear this would lead to soooo much personal information being doxxed on accident. I would never risk to click such a button.</p><p>Maybe we can make sure the extension scans for PID first, but still…</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-2c87fb4b4e39929a2a92fff2c1324afd2aecc34b6aa483d13828bde42033ed8f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/2c87fb4b4e39929a2a92fff2c1324afd2aecc34b6aa483d13828bde42033ed8f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T16:03:20Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('2c87fb4b4e39929a2a92fff2c1324afd2aecc34b6aa483d13828bde42033ed8f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-2c87fb4b4e39929a2a92fff2c1324afd2aecc34b6aa483d13828bde42033ed8f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-9fc4637a43b81605ee2a578f2c3f0bdbcc0258b8ee70912b8331d8ae4d0ecb46"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/3097c9da617f9da288249ce5b7ef7bfc4f7bab16e05653962c49567c3dddf53e.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="ddf03aca85ade039e6742d5bef3df352df199d0d31e22b9858e7eda85cb3bbbe"> Egge </span> </a> <a href="/post/9fc4637a43b81605ee2a578f2c3f0bdbcc0258b8ee70912b8331d8ae4d0ecb46" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T16:15:14Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('9fc4637a43b81605ee2a578f2c3f0bdbcc0258b8ee70912b8331d8ae4d0ecb46')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-9fc4637a43b81605ee2a578f2c3f0bdbcc0258b8ee70912b8331d8ae4d0ecb46"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Whenever the HTML that’s rendered in your browser contains some personal information (e.g. an email, your legal name, whatever), it would be included in the archive page and signed by you. If you are not really really careful about what the extension includes in the page, you could leak information that you don’t want to share. The same with stuff that might not even be visible to you.</p><p>Imagine a newspaper that has a profile page modal for logged in users. The modal is part of the HTML, but hidden via css until you open it. HTML scrapers would still include all the data that is part of the hidden model, without it ever being visible on the users visit</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-d0eb63b370640021210684bab55b8d047d6d12a60fd1098e1acc8b371a757b45"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/d0eb63b370640021210684bab55b8d047d6d12a60fd1098e1acc8b371a757b45" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T17:18:43Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('d0eb63b370640021210684bab55b8d047d6d12a60fd1098e1acc8b371a757b45')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-d0eb63b370640021210684bab55b8d047d6d12a60fd1098e1acc8b371a757b45"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Oh! That's a great point. One of the aforementioned 100 things I didn't think about. Solvable issue, but still an issue.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-d0eb63b370640021210684bab55b8d047d6d12a60fd1098e1acc8b371a757b45" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-9fc4637a43b81605ee2a578f2c3f0bdbcc0258b8ee70912b8331d8ae4d0ecb46" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-2c87fb4b4e39929a2a92fff2c1324afd2aecc34b6aa483d13828bde42033ed8f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-b3b1c112ddb0f7ef37f50ac39268389d8e30f7e542ba62149e54e864710de176" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-f62ee2360512438925add91df551f1ea288b501e88af9304fce8b4f9cbc8303f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/553eb2cad2f273d07e378eebd94be9abf984ce45963b7309899477333a135132"> <img src="https://m.primal.net/LyvV.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/553eb2cad2f273d07e378eebd94be9abf984ce45963b7309899477333a135132" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="553eb2cad2f273d07e378eebd94be9abf984ce45963b7309899477333a135132"> Milan Ljepoja </span> </a> <a href="/post/f62ee2360512438925add91df551f1ea288b501e88af9304fce8b4f9cbc8303f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:46:20Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('f62ee2360512438925add91df551f1ea288b501e88af9304fce8b4f9cbc8303f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-f62ee2360512438925add91df551f1ea288b501e88af9304fce8b4f9cbc8303f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>User-driven archiving on #Nostr makes history harder to erase and impossible to fake.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-f62ee2360512438925add91df551f1ea288b501e88af9304fce8b4f9cbc8303f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-40dd9a2fc43958f6cd3c84021406ea179e939e3763981481e0f1665d2c589585"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/7MUCAqJRjESmFuqc.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="c4f5e7a75a8ce3683d529cff06368439c529e5243c6b125ba68789198856cac7"> Nathan Day </span> </a> <a href="/post/40dd9a2fc43958f6cd3c84021406ea179e939e3763981481e0f1665d2c589585" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:51:04Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('40dd9a2fc43958f6cd3c84021406ea179e939e3763981481e0f1665d2c589585')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-40dd9a2fc43958f6cd3c84021406ea179e939e3763981481e0f1665d2c589585"> <div class="note-content"> <p>+ Blossom</p><p>+ Attestations</p><p><a href="https://nostrhub.io/naddr1qvzqqqrcvypzp384u7n44r8rdq74988lqcmggww998jjg0rtzfd6dpufrxy9djk8qqxxzar5v4ehgct5d9hkuucwjpt8v" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://nostrhub.io/naddr1qvzqqqrcvypzp384u7n44r8rdq74988lqcmggww998jjg0rtzfd6dpufrxy9djk8qqxxzar5v4ehgct5d9hkuucwjpt8v</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-40dd9a2fc43958f6cd3c84021406ea179e939e3763981481e0f1665d2c589585" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-b7a5a62a88dd09eeea0b1ee1c4de4c074c99fb48bf3a2aef16f6c322439b392a"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/76e36f2fabfbd8c353ffcda8fe07877a0977ee4aa9d9bcc224f02038d73b3787"> <img src="https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/reverseenchanted/images/c/cb/Clippy.png/revision/latest?cb=20170418130353" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/76e36f2fabfbd8c353ffcda8fe07877a0977ee4aa9d9bcc224f02038d73b3787" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="76e36f2fabfbd8c353ffcda8fe07877a0977ee4aa9d9bcc224f02038d73b3787"> Owner_of_donky </span> </a> <a href="/post/b7a5a62a88dd09eeea0b1ee1c4de4c074c99fb48bf3a2aef16f6c322439b392a" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T12:51:07Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('b7a5a62a88dd09eeea0b1ee1c4de4c074c99fb48bf3a2aef16f6c322439b392a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-b7a5a62a88dd09eeea0b1ee1c4de4c074c99fb48bf3a2aef16f6c322439b392a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>The issue with user-driven archiving is that not all users have good intentions. One could try and will probably succeed trying to upload malicious "copies" of a website</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-a3ef59a264c301b7521cfda9166aa02f360bbf792de518da8de27f67574db2b4"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/b22b06b051fd5232966a9344a634d956c3dc33a7f5ecdcad9ed11ddc4120a7f2"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/d00ebd1c677ec89c1933b9474f79798a37f3310ec2e42af10ef35528294b0f7b.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/b22b06b051fd5232966a9344a634d956c3dc33a7f5ecdcad9ed11ddc4120a7f2" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="b22b06b051fd5232966a9344a634d956c3dc33a7f5ecdcad9ed11ddc4120a7f2"> Russell </span> </a> <a href="/post/a3ef59a264c301b7521cfda9166aa02f360bbf792de518da8de27f67574db2b4" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T20:14:06Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('a3ef59a264c301b7521cfda9166aa02f360bbf792de518da8de27f67574db2b4')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-a3ef59a264c301b7521cfda9166aa02f360bbf792de518da8de27f67574db2b4"> <div class="note-content"> <p>This is why we have the web of trust</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-a3ef59a264c301b7521cfda9166aa02f360bbf792de518da8de27f67574db2b4" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-cce50e181f82330f986dbc6be5d3c3d720b046763493654d5f04764d6d7f7e1c"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> f7 </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> ihsotas </span> </a> <a href="/post/cce50e181f82330f986dbc6be5d3c3d720b046763493654d5f04764d6d7f7e1c" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:59:28Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('cce50e181f82330f986dbc6be5d3c3d720b046763493654d5f04764d6d7f7e1c')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-cce50e181f82330f986dbc6be5d3c3d720b046763493654d5f04764d6d7f7e1c"> <div class="note-content"> <p>It’s signed by the user and the reputation becomes king.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-cce50e181f82330f986dbc6be5d3c3d720b046763493654d5f04764d6d7f7e1c" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-b7a5a62a88dd09eeea0b1ee1c4de4c074c99fb48bf3a2aef16f6c322439b392a" style="display: none;"> <span 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onclick="toggleNote('f31bd04e2b385bd801aa5a62d7bc9885434820ad20831aa4f0d1ee50633a221d')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-f31bd04e2b385bd801aa5a62d7bc9885434820ad20831aa4f0d1ee50633a221d"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Sounds interesting.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-f31bd04e2b385bd801aa5a62d7bc9885434820ad20831aa4f0d1ee50633a221d" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-232974bfce0d2083564dfadbd9ece5402fccc5d63a3ad48e42a6ee6016b00a6b"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/5ea4648045bb1ff222655ddd36e6dceddc43590c26090c486bef38ef450da5bd"> <img src="https://cdn.satellite.earth/7f9e4c4b5ab39da8e0a07d58d050fe4411da92788b09fc583caf324cb83b2a23.jpeg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/5ea4648045bb1ff222655ddd36e6dceddc43590c26090c486bef38ef450da5bd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="5ea4648045bb1ff222655ddd36e6dceddc43590c26090c486bef38ef450da5bd"> Constant </span> </a> <a href="/post/232974bfce0d2083564dfadbd9ece5402fccc5d63a3ad48e42a6ee6016b00a6b" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T13:19:32Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('232974bfce0d2083564dfadbd9ece5402fccc5d63a3ad48e42a6ee6016b00a6b')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-232974bfce0d2083564dfadbd9ece5402fccc5d63a3ad48e42a6ee6016b00a6b"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Anyone complaining things can be faked or spoofed etc.</p><p>Yes, yes indeed, everything that is published unhashed and unsigned is fake and gay to begin with. Kill the web, all hail the new web.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-815c8a6320ca1b89c6e72f6ac5da4674a52f6693d69d6de916ba4a53fb9ca686"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/815c8a6320ca1b89c6e72f6ac5da4674a52f6693d69d6de916ba4a53fb9ca686" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T16:03:24Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('815c8a6320ca1b89c6e72f6ac5da4674a52f6693d69d6de916ba4a53fb9ca686')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-815c8a6320ca1b89c6e72f6ac5da4674a52f6693d69d6de916ba4a53fb9ca686"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Preach!</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-815c8a6320ca1b89c6e72f6ac5da4674a52f6693d69d6de916ba4a53fb9ca686" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-232974bfce0d2083564dfadbd9ece5402fccc5d63a3ad48e42a6ee6016b00a6b" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-1de0b777d4885242b6f415909272179fecd223ccffde2f623db9fe69f2d6d55a"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/9e8dd91d21e867dec464868a8d1f4a27c0e113c53e32f2bec0a7c6e25ad2e9d5"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/92e79af31e43ac39f8d4f318f42274b9c0992b540895901e42a456a5511135f1.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/9e8dd91d21e867dec464868a8d1f4a27c0e113c53e32f2bec0a7c6e25ad2e9d5" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="9e8dd91d21e867dec464868a8d1f4a27c0e113c53e32f2bec0a7c6e25ad2e9d5"> Sondre | satoshiconsult.com </span> </a> <a href="/post/1de0b777d4885242b6f415909272179fecd223ccffde2f623db9fe69f2d6d55a" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T13:59:17Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('1de0b777d4885242b6f415909272179fecd223ccffde2f623db9fe69f2d6d55a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-1de0b777d4885242b6f415909272179fecd223ccffde2f623db9fe69f2d6d55a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>We absolutely need this</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-1de0b777d4885242b6f415909272179fecd223ccffde2f623db9fe69f2d6d55a" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-74e5964d29dc0888982be26724fe57e212b61ab03dcb7e76b6a98bde1cf8b0e0"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/d3d74124ddfb5bdc61b8f18d17c3335bbb4f8c71182a35ee27314a49a4eb7b1d"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/144e150d9558b4b947e3248944cbaac0850bb81e876c75f76043b1b69b4c36ed.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/d3d74124ddfb5bdc61b8f18d17c3335bbb4f8c71182a35ee27314a49a4eb7b1d" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="d3d74124ddfb5bdc61b8f18d17c3335bbb4f8c71182a35ee27314a49a4eb7b1d"> average_bitcoiner </span> </a> <a href="/post/74e5964d29dc0888982be26724fe57e212b61ab03dcb7e76b6a98bde1cf8b0e0" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T15:44:06Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('74e5964d29dc0888982be26724fe57e212b61ab03dcb7e76b6a98bde1cf8b0e0')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-74e5964d29dc0888982be26724fe57e212b61ab03dcb7e76b6a98bde1cf8b0e0"> <div class="note-content"> <p>nostr:nprofile1qqsywt6ypu57lxtwj2scdwxnyrl3sry9typcstje65x7rw9a2e5nq8spramhxue69uhky6t5vdhkjmndv9uxjmtpd35hxarn9ehkumrfdejsz9thwden5te0v4jx2m3wdehhxarj9ekxzmnytjq0jg is the web extension guy now. Get to work.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-74e5964d29dc0888982be26724fe57e212b61ab03dcb7e76b6a98bde1cf8b0e0" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-fb056c95bfd701e8854717e19dd5871c036d33f8ff84659314ed6bcb91d1e6c5"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/2bc1cc9268507667c92ea0ec6aa652fc78f1185a9fc9d976910aa6f237811ea5"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> 2b </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/2bc1cc9268507667c92ea0ec6aa652fc78f1185a9fc9d976910aa6f237811ea5" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="2bc1cc9268507667c92ea0ec6aa652fc78f1185a9fc9d976910aa6f237811ea5"> 2bc1cc92... </span> </a> <a href="/post/fb056c95bfd701e8854717e19dd5871c036d33f8ff84659314ed6bcb91d1e6c5" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T16:43:58Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('fb056c95bfd701e8854717e19dd5871c036d33f8ff84659314ed6bcb91d1e6c5')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-fb056c95bfd701e8854717e19dd5871c036d33f8ff84659314ed6bcb91d1e6c5"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Interesting idea. Would it be enough to make a screenshot of the website, hash it and timestamp it?</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-fb056c95bfd701e8854717e19dd5871c036d33f8ff84659314ed6bcb91d1e6c5" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-d4ec6e32d6812f049b77ba6ed2b93b95613fc2c318c589ad6123c6e406520e5f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/2d2a032118f10f37e973939568b3e8857f7c1599de00cd6ac7e107374f723c56.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> GLACA </span> </a> <a href="/post/d4ec6e32d6812f049b77ba6ed2b93b95613fc2c318c589ad6123c6e406520e5f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T18:38:08Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('d4ec6e32d6812f049b77ba6ed2b93b95613fc2c318c589ad6123c6e406520e5f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-d4ec6e32d6812f049b77ba6ed2b93b95613fc2c318c589ad6123c6e406520e5f"> <div class="note-content"> <p>DECENTRALIZE EVERYTHING.</p><p><a href="/post/nevent1qqsyqucu07jksyq95r23gwgy6e0qqyy360zwef3ukw6dy39eaq8f45cpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqy5edwh" class="nostr-link">nostr:nevent1qqsyqucu07jksyq95r23gwgy6e0qqyy360zwef3ukw6dy39eaq8f45cpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqy5edwh</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-d4ec6e32d6812f049b77ba6ed2b93b95613fc2c318c589ad6123c6e406520e5f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-e3ddeebe8dee6e4ecf82139d63d4a360a457169f1e73ae3768316a3878e8641e"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/2d2a032118f10f37e973939568b3e8857f7c1599de00cd6ac7e107374f723c56.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> GLACA </span> </a> <a href="/post/e3ddeebe8dee6e4ecf82139d63d4a360a457169f1e73ae3768316a3878e8641e" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T18:39:20Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('e3ddeebe8dee6e4ecf82139d63d4a360a457169f1e73ae3768316a3878e8641e')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-e3ddeebe8dee6e4ecf82139d63d4a360a457169f1e73ae3768316a3878e8641e"> <div class="note-content"> <p>This is an urgent case as we live in the last days of "truth". Everything is being manipulated and erased in REAL TIME. Decentralized Internet Archive!</p><p>Love the idea. LFG!</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-8b79a2129b9d7dc43d88e9df90004d3c0207d324d6bb261a83ede538c00bc68f"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/dd5bf3650760554f526c4397a89cfcfe3b8aa897412a48089691b2d1a3255669.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf"> Owen Gregory </span> </a> <a href="/post/8b79a2129b9d7dc43d88e9df90004d3c0207d324d6bb261a83ede538c00bc68f" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T18:55:15Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('8b79a2129b9d7dc43d88e9df90004d3c0207d324d6bb261a83ede538c00bc68f')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-8b79a2129b9d7dc43d88e9df90004d3c0207d324d6bb261a83ede538c00bc68f"> <div class="note-content"> <p><a href="https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-millions-of-print-books-to-build-its-ai-models/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-millions-of-print-books-to-build-its-ai-models/</a></p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-dda7a017dabbb2cfbe419b076323179d551797c9f3ebb9a91560da68d56d4b94"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/2d2a032118f10f37e973939568b3e8857f7c1599de00cd6ac7e107374f723c56.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="18f54af1e10c5bb7a35468b0f62b295d12347903c9f95738d065c84bef1402ef"> GLACA </span> </a> <a href="/post/dda7a017dabbb2cfbe419b076323179d551797c9f3ebb9a91560da68d56d4b94" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T22:06:47Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('dda7a017dabbb2cfbe419b076323179d551797c9f3ebb9a91560da68d56d4b94')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-dda7a017dabbb2cfbe419b076323179d551797c9f3ebb9a91560da68d56d4b94"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Read about it before. Crazy how digital archives are targeted too...but this here is outrageous!</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-dda7a017dabbb2cfbe419b076323179d551797c9f3ebb9a91560da68d56d4b94" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-8b79a2129b9d7dc43d88e9df90004d3c0207d324d6bb261a83ede538c00bc68f" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-e3ddeebe8dee6e4ecf82139d63d4a360a457169f1e73ae3768316a3878e8641e" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-5fb18f177314324e33402c8cc56d90ad306c95067a7cc29d151a3dda0f523eac"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/dd5bf3650760554f526c4397a89cfcfe3b8aa897412a48089691b2d1a3255669.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="4861a2de1f7d45637e114a2057e301997a2f2427d88e66de02ce003a8d7511cf"> Owen Gregory </span> </a> <a href="/post/5fb18f177314324e33402c8cc56d90ad306c95067a7cc29d151a3dda0f523eac" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T18:52:28Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('5fb18f177314324e33402c8cc56d90ad306c95067a7cc29d151a3dda0f523eac')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-5fb18f177314324e33402c8cc56d90ad306c95067a7cc29d151a3dda0f523eac"> <div class="note-content"> <p>There really need to be swift vigilantiesque public hangings and pikings for the destruction of knowledge. The total control of access to knowledge is on the same demonic wish list as total surveillance.</p><p><a href="https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-millions-of-print-books-to-build-its-ai-models/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-millions-of-print-books-to-build-its-ai-models/</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-5fb18f177314324e33402c8cc56d90ad306c95067a7cc29d151a3dda0f523eac" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-fdad6317e4b16b0705a7bb3ad010694e5fbf3070add696eaf5880b5f8ab332c4"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6ca6ecfd7bee60bdb8a70234593bc8bb798b7763116abfcdcf2db2086638c3ec"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/07bc6f7b681e7a050d4e15389df4c647874a48cba74230cb1fa287fef2d26cfb.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6ca6ecfd7bee60bdb8a70234593bc8bb798b7763116abfcdcf2db2086638c3ec" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6ca6ecfd7bee60bdb8a70234593bc8bb798b7763116abfcdcf2db2086638c3ec"> Dan </span> </a> <a href="/post/fdad6317e4b16b0705a7bb3ad010694e5fbf3070add696eaf5880b5f8ab332c4" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T19:05:25Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('fdad6317e4b16b0705a7bb3ad010694e5fbf3070add696eaf5880b5f8ab332c4')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-fdad6317e4b16b0705a7bb3ad010694e5fbf3070add696eaf5880b5f8ab332c4"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I’m very left side. Can you just get a bot to auto archive everything</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-fdad6317e4b16b0705a7bb3ad010694e5fbf3070add696eaf5880b5f8ab332c4" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-1e681625cf5f55dfe9f64b6f25791a3b6df01af7f05c2c06ded8b1e4ae99922e"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6d0c4eec4c38427bab81bfef29997204dd0654ab3614ce90ee3e9839c0a47008"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/3c25008debb173f96b9153a986f7e69b9379a4e69f2feca25b4b8190ed7a056b.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6d0c4eec4c38427bab81bfef29997204dd0654ab3614ce90ee3e9839c0a47008" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6d0c4eec4c38427bab81bfef29997204dd0654ab3614ce90ee3e9839c0a47008"> Richi </span> </a> <a href="/post/1e681625cf5f55dfe9f64b6f25791a3b6df01af7f05c2c06ded8b1e4ae99922e" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T22:22:31Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('1e681625cf5f55dfe9f64b6f25791a3b6df01af7f05c2c06ded8b1e4ae99922e')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-1e681625cf5f55dfe9f64b6f25791a3b6df01af7f05c2c06ded8b1e4ae99922e"> <div class="note-content"> <p>#YESTR</p><p><a href="/post/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2" class="nostr-link">nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-1e681625cf5f55dfe9f64b6f25791a3b6df01af7f05c2c06ded8b1e4ae99922e" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-2a50717de9db4eb64a7ff1199bd5dd2699b23d1a42945d5b814b452b2c8e679a"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/29aed60e25881e7c39ca72b2ccb45629ffa38b6b6a2a5e747aff132ceb2b5494"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/9715e25618fc7e271fb76d6b8fa620670778d9dcbe874755ca0c65cc449811e0.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/29aed60e25881e7c39ca72b2ccb45629ffa38b6b6a2a5e747aff132ceb2b5494" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="29aed60e25881e7c39ca72b2ccb45629ffa38b6b6a2a5e747aff132ceb2b5494"> Drinnie </span> </a> <a href="/post/2a50717de9db4eb64a7ff1199bd5dd2699b23d1a42945d5b814b452b2c8e679a" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-13T22:29:23Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('2a50717de9db4eb64a7ff1199bd5dd2699b23d1a42945d5b814b452b2c8e679a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-2a50717de9db4eb64a7ff1199bd5dd2699b23d1a42945d5b814b452b2c8e679a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>"Whatever is in user's browser gets signed & published to relays ".</p><p>This is the problem. For paywalled content, how can we be sure that there is no beacon stored somewhere in the page (DOM, js, html) that identifies the subscriber?</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-2ee6d11bad8fc9237046f2ca7e8bc90cd0a5d71246e837df66bce573cbcf7e95"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/2ee6d11bad8fc9237046f2ca7e8bc90cd0a5d71246e837df66bce573cbcf7e95" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:07:27Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('2ee6d11bad8fc9237046f2ca7e8bc90cd0a5d71246e837df66bce573cbcf7e95')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-2ee6d11bad8fc9237046f2ca7e8bc90cd0a5d71246e837df66bce573cbcf7e95"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Let's focus on regular content and cross that bridge if we get there.</p><p>The main issue is that the big services are centralized and the self-hosted stuff isn't syndicated.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-2" id="note-35929e1dbd5fcbfadfeabe948129661a1f2774abd98e4db45fa617ad6c1d48ce"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/sXJvpyUSHKImhGb8.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> 47 </span> </a> <a href="/post/35929e1dbd5fcbfadfeabe948129661a1f2774abd98e4db45fa617ad6c1d48ce" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:09:00Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('35929e1dbd5fcbfadfeabe948129661a1f2774abd98e4db45fa617ad6c1d48ce')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-35929e1dbd5fcbfadfeabe948129661a1f2774abd98e4db45fa617ad6c1d48ce"> <div class="note-content"> <p>are paywalling services doing that - and punishing the user for screenshotting etc?</p><p>hahahahahahahshahahaha</p><p>that’s so crazy if so. wow</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-3" id="note-6169f2a37c73b8c673e0854e88bcbd66e58967ca50d931fcf4a811c386d2e54d"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/6169f2a37c73b8c673e0854e88bcbd66e58967ca50d931fcf4a811c386d2e54d" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:11:29Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('6169f2a37c73b8c673e0854e88bcbd66e58967ca50d931fcf4a811c386d2e54d')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-6169f2a37c73b8c673e0854e88bcbd66e58967ca50d931fcf4a811c386d2e54d"> <div class="note-content"> <p>They're trying everything in their power to make water not wet. <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/a42eb35cf554b25391ab43299505430dc75ff0858ac8f0389a22e0adfb3e29c8.jpg" class="embedded-image" loading="lazy"></p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-4" id="note-6d71fd788eb91e3a8a4507ce4d3bb8ff8d67c58accab2de1256419cb64f4d3be"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/sXJvpyUSHKImhGb8.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> 47 </span> </a> <a href="/post/6d71fd788eb91e3a8a4507ce4d3bb8ff8d67c58accab2de1256419cb64f4d3be" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:27:37Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('6d71fd788eb91e3a8a4507ce4d3bb8ff8d67c58accab2de1256419cb64f4d3be')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-6d71fd788eb91e3a8a4507ce4d3bb8ff8d67c58accab2de1256419cb64f4d3be"> <div class="note-content"> <p>i would have for sure read that years ago, but a great reminder ty gigi</p><p>i knew they try were trying to use this on music but i didnt realise they were embedding gotcha code so they can police how the user uses their computer, and heaven forbid, copies something. fucking hilarious.</p><p>hard to imagine why they’re dying such a quick death 😂</p><p>they’re suiciding themselves. making their product shit all because they cant come to terms with the characteristics of water.</p><p>i guess we should thank them</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-5" id="note-72f4ff60d10a204cd28234170633c066b5ed0fcab96367b0c5df15e2206ee65a"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/sXJvpyUSHKImhGb8.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> 47 </span> </a> <a href="/post/72f4ff60d10a204cd28234170633c066b5ed0fcab96367b0c5df15e2206ee65a" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:28:30Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('72f4ff60d10a204cd28234170633c066b5ed0fcab96367b0c5df15e2206ee65a')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-72f4ff60d10a204cd28234170633c066b5ed0fcab96367b0c5df15e2206ee65a"> <div class="note-content"> <p>talk about failing the ego test</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" 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href="/post/def3671c3d30ec3aeed4735f9a171402e9567598c38b96bd3a11bbd01bd07f8d" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:35:48Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('def3671c3d30ec3aeed4735f9a171402e9567598c38b96bd3a11bbd01bd07f8d')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-def3671c3d30ec3aeed4735f9a171402e9567598c38b96bd3a11bbd01bd07f8d"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I don't think the goal has ever been to make data impossible to copy. The goal is most likely to make copying certain data more difficult. DRM has done that, whether you like it or not. The industry wouldn't do it if it didn't work to some degree.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-5" id="note-e928dc4f8709f01056595eea0b339c1511f60f679940d0cc0c223156ca323793"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/fea186c2a4678dbc437704eed2160846e8a781e5fb17056e9bb333840d5bdef2"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/qyyDIvkz0BsHsH72.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/fea186c2a4678dbc437704eed2160846e8a781e5fb17056e9bb333840d5bdef2" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="fea186c2a4678dbc437704eed2160846e8a781e5fb17056e9bb333840d5bdef2"> Matt </span> </a> <a href="/post/e928dc4f8709f01056595eea0b339c1511f60f679940d0cc0c223156ca323793" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:37:25Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('e928dc4f8709f01056595eea0b339c1511f60f679940d0cc0c223156ca323793')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-e928dc4f8709f01056595eea0b339c1511f60f679940d0cc0c223156ca323793"> <div class="note-content"> <p>But I also hate DRM and how it works. Totally agree on that.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-e928dc4f8709f01056595eea0b339c1511f60f679940d0cc0c223156ca323793" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-def3671c3d30ec3aeed4735f9a171402e9567598c38b96bd3a11bbd01bd07f8d" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-4" id="note-d2f818b3f636fae85013647c70e519e997ba3eb0a25e2fb2b2990e9d9b62c210"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/a37183789c37348853b6ae7e4fb8c241b98313406ee225fd3bff1c91fa6ae16e"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/7fbeffe21fdb0d29b5cecbd2f5be791f1b13a46e3b20dc64e143412440f571e5.gif" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/a37183789c37348853b6ae7e4fb8c241b98313406ee225fd3bff1c91fa6ae16e" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="a37183789c37348853b6ae7e4fb8c241b98313406ee225fd3bff1c91fa6ae16e"> Chris Krause </span> </a> <a href="/post/d2f818b3f636fae85013647c70e519e997ba3eb0a25e2fb2b2990e9d9b62c210" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:52:25Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('d2f818b3f636fae85013647c70e519e997ba3eb0a25e2fb2b2990e9d9b62c210')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-d2f818b3f636fae85013647c70e519e997ba3eb0a25e2fb2b2990e9d9b62c210"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Futile action by a dying industry.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-5" id="note-a97a66cd56b83b5c0467cfe8ef48074aa6231f29fe5295375930630428005841"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/sXJvpyUSHKImhGb8.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3492dd43d496a237f4441fd801f5078b63542c3e158ffea903cb020a1af4ffdd"> 47 </span> </a> <a href="/post/a97a66cd56b83b5c0467cfe8ef48074aa6231f29fe5295375930630428005841" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:55:01Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('a97a66cd56b83b5c0467cfe8ef48074aa6231f29fe5295375930630428005841')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-a97a66cd56b83b5c0467cfe8ef48074aa6231f29fe5295375930630428005841"> <div class="note-content"> <p>not a dying industry… the players will just change and the rules of engagement will evolve</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies limit-depth"> <div class="note reply-note depth-6" id="note-2ed7fdec926880d6e41d3905127d4b1b1b2d8637b9fe1bd6c513f6e7957eaf90"> <div 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href="/post/e21131ebe64514aeb8a6b6eb7caf2aa21c1069b0b4e6476af72165ae0e702541" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:32:19Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('e21131ebe64514aeb8a6b6eb7caf2aa21c1069b0b4e6476af72165ae0e702541')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-e21131ebe64514aeb8a6b6eb7caf2aa21c1069b0b4e6476af72165ae0e702541"> <div class="note-content"> <p>How that’s Archive do it?</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-e21131ebe64514aeb8a6b6eb7caf2aa21c1069b0b4e6476af72165ae0e702541" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-2a50717de9db4eb64a7ff1199bd5dd2699b23d1a42945d5b814b452b2c8e679a" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-8a48050a9aa3e8132ab59045aaa1c8d374bebbe540706811cff044946f5e9c30"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> <div class="note-avatar-placeholder"> f7 </div> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="f75ac498d3e042b33f097a82bd4fed8e1ffe63be30a14c8b8e6fa8640d90ab2e"> ihsotas </span> </a> <a href="/post/8a48050a9aa3e8132ab59045aaa1c8d374bebbe540706811cff044946f5e9c30" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T06:57:12Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('8a48050a9aa3e8132ab59045aaa1c8d374bebbe540706811cff044946f5e9c30')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-8a48050a9aa3e8132ab59045aaa1c8d374bebbe540706811cff044946f5e9c30"> <div class="note-content"> <p>That’s a good thought . I have an extension I’m working on that bridges the web over to nostr allowing users to create discussions anywhere on the web using nostr. It seems like an archive function would be a solid addition. If I can get the universal grill box idea solid I will work on the archival concept as well.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-8a48050a9aa3e8132ab59045aaa1c8d374bebbe540706811cff044946f5e9c30" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-92500f189715727eda25fdfdaea88e8b90e95d08e9ca391cfe9ad19c7b16420d"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/bd8aed58fee47e64520ec250b70efd264b496bc3f8c2563c26c0b843cb1cdb53"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/An3E.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/bd8aed58fee47e64520ec250b70efd264b496bc3f8c2563c26c0b843cb1cdb53" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="bd8aed58fee47e64520ec250b70efd264b496bc3f8c2563c26c0b843cb1cdb53"> CitizenPleb </span> </a> <a href="/post/92500f189715727eda25fdfdaea88e8b90e95d08e9ca391cfe9ad19c7b16420d" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T11:37:12Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('92500f189715727eda25fdfdaea88e8b90e95d08e9ca391cfe9ad19c7b16420d')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-92500f189715727eda25fdfdaea88e8b90e95d08e9ca391cfe9ad19c7b16420d"> <div class="note-content"> <p>All the JavaScript getting ingested? Worried about the privacy part but very interesting.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-92500f189715727eda25fdfdaea88e8b90e95d08e9ca391cfe9ad19c7b16420d" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-1e337b7ee2e00fce5a9a3be2f836d401464535fb885df90c769f4b2eae6a5176"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/32092ec1a258c9f2c11a9a5bb53b127ca20941f1803dd7f6715050ff8e9fd13a"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/Moe4.gif" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/32092ec1a258c9f2c11a9a5bb53b127ca20941f1803dd7f6715050ff8e9fd13a" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="32092ec1a258c9f2c11a9a5bb53b127ca20941f1803dd7f6715050ff8e9fd13a"> Reed </span> </a> <a href="/post/1e337b7ee2e00fce5a9a3be2f836d401464535fb885df90c769f4b2eae6a5176" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-14T11:37:52Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('1e337b7ee2e00fce5a9a3be2f836d401464535fb885df90c769f4b2eae6a5176')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-1e337b7ee2e00fce5a9a3be2f836d401464535fb885df90c769f4b2eae6a5176"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Calling all vibe coders!</p><p><a href="/post/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2" class="nostr-link">nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-1e337b7ee2e00fce5a9a3be2f836d401464535fb885df90c769f4b2eae6a5176" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-f9863d02824f7ff637a5a56ba1276a7df5f61bc4b8011a315988bcfb2c2b61c1"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3bcc5632a4e750953a2016f991ad8caeb18ce7537b82f25e22c0bd3b9003d8b8"> <img src="https://blossom.primal.net/565cdc2a225e974c6e12bff9f5b5063be22253a4a556294e06575a4dbbc99671.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3bcc5632a4e750953a2016f991ad8caeb18ce7537b82f25e22c0bd3b9003d8b8" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3bcc5632a4e750953a2016f991ad8caeb18ce7537b82f25e22c0bd3b9003d8b8"> Sovereign Being </span> </a> <a href="/post/f9863d02824f7ff637a5a56ba1276a7df5f61bc4b8011a315988bcfb2c2b61c1" class="note-date-link" title="2025-08-15T16:40:20Z"> <span class="note-date">4mo ago</span> <span class="reply-count" aria-label="View replies">💬 2</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('f9863d02824f7ff637a5a56ba1276a7df5f61bc4b8011a315988bcfb2c2b61c1')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-f9863d02824f7ff637a5a56ba1276a7df5f61bc4b8011a315988bcfb2c2b61c1"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I've been casually vibe coding this since Wednesday. I think it's quite a powerful idea. I have zero experience with making an extension, but it's the first time AI called a project 'seriously impressive' when I threw Gigi's idea in there.</p><p>So far I have come up with a few additional features but the spec would be this at a minimum:</p><p>OTS via NIP-03</p><p>Blossom for media</p><p>3 different types of archiving modes:</p><p>Forensic Mode: Clean server fetch, zero browser involvement = no tampering</p><p>Verified Mode: Dual capture (server + local) + automatic comparison = manipulation detection</p><p>Personal Mode: Exact browser view including logged-in content = your evidence</p><p>Still debugging Blossom integration and NIP-07 for signing extensions seems tricky. The only caveat is you would need a proxy to run verified + forensic modes, as CORS will block requests otherwise. Not sure how that would be handled other than hosting a proxy. Once I have a somewhat working version I may just throw all the source code out there, I dunno.</p><p><img src="https://blossom.primal.net/689869c76612e7d1467895e7fb5f147d598c385cfdab085c522a5ed91d650ffc.png" class="embedded-image" loading="lazy"></p><p>Some test archives I've done on a burner account using this custom Nostr archive explorer here.</p><p><a href="https://www.nostrie.com/explorer.html?npub=npub12rjnyu80jcg68jsgt45c6z06rt9h5d8af9k0yxh4vel28s9ga3wsgewcwl" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://www.nostrie.com/explorer.html?npub=npub12rjnyu80jcg68jsgt45c6z06rt9h5d8af9k0yxh4vel28s9ga3wsgewcwl</a></p><p><a href="/post/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2" class="nostr-link">nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309ashgmrpwvhxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsqgzqwvw8lftgzqz6p4g58yzdvhsqzzga838v5c7t8dxjgju7sr566v5qmda2</a></p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-f9863d02824f7ff637a5a56ba1276a7df5f61bc4b8011a315988bcfb2c2b61c1" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-1d5aea8cb798999dd8bd166ffe3b2be06720bc408443c0bbbde1dcb509541ec5"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> <img src="https://fiatjaf.com/static/favicon.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> fiatjaf </span> </a> <a href="/post/1d5aea8cb798999dd8bd166ffe3b2be06720bc408443c0bbbde1dcb509541ec5" class="note-date-link" title="2025-09-22T13:52:40Z"> <span class="note-date">3mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('1d5aea8cb798999dd8bd166ffe3b2be06720bc408443c0bbbde1dcb509541ec5')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-1d5aea8cb798999dd8bd166ffe3b2be06720bc408443c0bbbde1dcb509541ec5"> <div class="note-content"> <p>You say this is left-side but there is nothing on the right-side of the curve since what you describe here is already at maximum complexity. And that archiver extension is a mess.</p><p>But sure, it's a good idea, so it must be done.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-1d5aea8cb798999dd8bd166ffe3b2be06720bc408443c0bbbde1dcb509541ec5" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-0" id="note-d5b7afd1d780dda1f06bf8d8340ca42a35a258045b2e164d2740b9b26f654c24"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> <img src="https://fiatjaf.com/static/favicon.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="3bf0c63fcb93463407af97a5e5ee64fa883d107ef9e558472c4eb9aaaefa459d"> fiatjaf </span> </a> <a href="/post/d5b7afd1d780dda1f06bf8d8340ca42a35a258045b2e164d2740b9b26f654c24" class="note-date-link" title="2025-09-25T21:10:55Z"> <span class="note-date">3mo ago</span> <span class="reply-count" aria-label="View replies">💬 1</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('d5b7afd1d780dda1f06bf8d8340ca42a35a258045b2e164d2740b9b26f654c24')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-d5b7afd1d780dda1f06bf8d8340ca42a35a258045b2e164d2740b9b26f654c24"> <div class="note-content"> <p>I made this extension: <a href="https://github.com/fiatjaf/nostr-web-archiver/releases/tag/whatever" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://github.com/fiatjaf/nostr-web-archiver/releases/tag/whatever</a>, which is heavily modified from that other one.</p><p>Damn, this "Lit" framework for making webgarbage is truly horrible, and this codebase is a mess worse than mine, but I'm glad they have the dirty parts of actually archiving the pages working pretty well.</p><p>Then there is <a href="https://websitestr.netlify.app/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="note-link">https://websitestr.netlify.app/</a> for browsing archives from others.</p><p>Please someone test this. If I have to test it again myself I'll cry. I must wait some days now to see if Google approves this extension on their store, meanwhile you can install it manually from the link above.</p> </div> <div class="nested-replies "> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-b393edf84df0eff27da07f5e7238654e7a25fae95c97789583dab6beef706944"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> <img src="https://dergigi.com/assets/images/avatars/09.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="6e468422dfb74a5738702a8823b9b28168abab8655faacb6853cd0ee15deee93"> Gigi </span> </a> <a href="/post/b393edf84df0eff27da07f5e7238654e7a25fae95c97789583dab6beef706944" class="note-date-link" title="2025-09-25T23:24:51Z"> <span class="note-date">3mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('b393edf84df0eff27da07f5e7238654e7a25fae95c97789583dab6beef706944')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-b393edf84df0eff27da07f5e7238654e7a25fae95c97789583dab6beef706944"> <div class="note-content"> <p>👀</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-b393edf84df0eff27da07f5e7238654e7a25fae95c97789583dab6beef706944" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-b63f6f91b9225f9af243e03005536eb22d3276025e5a9aa91b974c1866babea9"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/8ba925605a26e3afb39350e76d6af4e37e91b1e7e834e3fa911d546f8e1cfd1d"> <img src="https://image.nostr.build/d4aebad599a13a1df1f6f4652a4b362c514d63e38f27f8ad8815420f7a08b8ba.png" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/8ba925605a26e3afb39350e76d6af4e37e91b1e7e834e3fa911d546f8e1cfd1d" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="8ba925605a26e3afb39350e76d6af4e37e91b1e7e834e3fa911d546f8e1cfd1d"> Pana - The Refuge Network State </span> </a> <a href="/post/b63f6f91b9225f9af243e03005536eb22d3276025e5a9aa91b974c1866babea9" class="note-date-link" title="2025-09-26T07:04:51Z"> <span class="note-date">3mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('b63f6f91b9225f9af243e03005536eb22d3276025e5a9aa91b974c1866babea9')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-b63f6f91b9225f9af243e03005536eb22d3276025e5a9aa91b974c1866babea9"> <div class="note-content"> <p>Please keep things uploaded into non-Google sites 🙏</p><p>Google is sold, Google is finished and should be heavily boycotted for what they're doing to us 🕳️🐇</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-b63f6f91b9225f9af243e03005536eb22d3276025e5a9aa91b974c1866babea9" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> <div class="note reply-note depth-1" id="note-0f4296b0f6858bc98c2482b588e9dedde168210190c13fd3779e0279cfc97187"> <div class="note-header"> <a href="/user/c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712"> <img src="https://i.nostr.build/J5FbcWIF8EKl3UvZ.jpg" class="note-avatar" alt="Avatar" loading="lazy"> </a> <div class="note-info"> <a href="/user/c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712" class="author-link"> <span class="note-author-name" title="c230edd34ca5c8318bf4592ac056cde37519d395c0904c37ea1c650b8ad4a712"> Dawn </span> </a> <a href="/post/0f4296b0f6858bc98c2482b588e9dedde168210190c13fd3779e0279cfc97187" class="note-date-link" title="2025-10-05T01:21:30Z"> <span class="note-date">2mo ago</span> </a> </div> <button class="collapse-toggle" onclick="toggleNote('0f4296b0f6858bc98c2482b588e9dedde168210190c13fd3779e0279cfc97187')" title="Collapse/Expand">[-]</button> </div> <div class="note-body" id="body-0f4296b0f6858bc98c2482b588e9dedde168210190c13fd3779e0279cfc97187"> <div class="note-content"> <p>It works. I'm not sure how to view my own, but my Amber log shows what I think is all the right activities.</p><p>I'm not sure what the crying is about. This extension is more cooperative than the scrobbler one.</p> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-0f4296b0f6858bc98c2482b588e9dedde168210190c13fd3779e0279cfc97187" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="collapsed-indicator" id="ind-d5b7afd1d780dda1f06bf8d8340ca42a35a258045b2e164d2740b9b26f654c24" style="display: none;"> <span class="collapsed-text">Thread collapsed</span> </div> </div> </div> </div> <script> function toggleNote(noteId) { const body = document.getElementById('body-' + noteId); const indicator = document.getElementById('ind-' + noteId); const toggle = document.querySelector('#note-' + noteId + ' .collapse-toggle'); if (body.style.display === 'none') { body.style.display = 'block'; indicator.style.display = 'none'; toggle.textContent = '[-]'; } else { body.style.display = 'none'; indicator.style.display = 'block'; toggle.textContent = '[+]'; } } </script> </main> </div> <script> (function() { const html = document.documentElement; const themeToggle = document.getElementById('themeToggle'); const sunIcon = document.getElementById('sunIcon'); const moonIcon = document.getElementById('moonIcon'); function setTheme(theme) { html.setAttribute('data-theme', theme); localStorage.setItem('theme', theme); if (theme === 'dark') { sunIcon.style.display = 'block'; moonIcon.style.display = 'none'; } else { sunIcon.style.display = 'none'; moonIcon.style.display = 'block'; } } const savedTheme = localStorage.getItem('theme') || 'light'; setTheme(savedTheme); themeToggle.addEventListener('click', () => { const currentTheme = html.getAttribute('data-theme'); const newTheme = currentTheme === 'light' ? 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