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Julien Dambron
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We are a web. Each life is a node. Each action is a thread pulling on all the others.

"Remember, remember, the fifth of November,

The Gunpowder treason and plot.

I know of no reason,

Why the Gunpowder treason

Should ever be forgot!"

Replying to Avatar HoloKat

Gotcha. I haven't really coordinated much on projects. I've done some user testing but it was somewhat limited since there is a cost. If you dig through my note history you'll probably find a ton on UX / findings etc...

If I can summarize:

1. Keys are not as big of an issue as most non-technical people around here think. But, to a few, they are mysterious. But most people don't make much of it and just start using the clients.

2. Most people have a hard time finding things of interest (this is mostly a content issue and not so much a client. Search is a bit crappy in most clients because it requires a centralized feed or a large cache of notes, and even that only goes so far (this is a nostr issue in general, not so much client). For example, it's pretty hard to find old notes across relays unless you have a service specifically that indexes everything.

3. In general our content sucks. This is my observation compared to other social media apps. For example, in TikTok you can come at it with absolutely no preferences and get hooked in a matter of minutes. Their algo optimizes for you and you get things in front of your eyes that are super interesting and addicting very quickly. You'll find yourself swiping for hours without realizing it. Nostr has nowhere near this amount or quality of content due to sheer lack of users. It has nothing to do with discovery or anything else.. just no content. And what few things we do get, people tend to not care.

4. Getting people to nostr is super difficult because you have to be passionate about nostr's properties. First, you have to learn what those are. Then if you manage to stick around, you have to force yourself to get detoxified without the algo. This ultimately conflicts with other social media usage that is super addictive so you tend to drop out of nostr (this is what most active users end up doing who do not quit other social media) -- only the business-focused can remain on both, especially if they are nostr activists, but otherwise there's little incentive to stay here.

5. People complain about onboarding, but after digging around for quite a while and seeing the full picture, the problem is not technical, but once again content. Without content you cannot create feeds people might be interested in so in the end it has nothing to do with technicals. You can add a great onboarding to pick interests, hashtags etc.. but ultimately without good content people leave.

6. People have a hard time breaking of their normie socials chains. They have followers there and it's hard to let that go. You really have to have a reason to leave.

7. It is my observation that many clients do either too little or too much. Mixing functions that should not be mixed, or doing so little that there's no differentiation from any other social media, but much worse experience due to lack of content.

Ultimately, people come for either other people, content, or for their friends. A bunch of us followed nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m here. Some followed other big names like Snowden. But, the prominent individuals usually don't have much incentive to hang out here. You need momentum to get a bunch of them coming at once. For some odd reason all of the momentum was with Bluesky and not nostr. I think a lot of it just has to do with the name of the protocol -- and I'll probably get shit for it but I stand by it. Bluesky is also a company with organized marketing, planning etc.. nostr barely coordinates anything, rightfully so since its not a company.

8. Many complain about the usability of things, but they haven't actually tried the updated versions and are complaining about an experience they once had which is no longer the case, but they are too lazy to try again - don't blame them.

9. For some, their first negative experience turns them away forever, and that can easily happen due to the tinker nature of nostr. You realy have to stick around, let it grow on you and appreciate it for what it is. This is our version of "proof of work" and many are unwilling to do it.

10. Nostr oldtimers (and devs) tend to not test their clients often as a new user. So, sometimes there are glaring issues which go unfixed for years. I've pointed them out at times, but usually falls on deaf ears. Some of this is due to content, other due to personal preferences, values etc... everyone has their specific ways of doing things. I recommended that people test their clients as a new user would at least once every month.

11. We have a new user discovery problem. They usually have a crappy feed to start with (again due to lack of good content), and if they somehow manage to not quit quickly, they end up shouting into the void. No one knows they exist unless they did an intro post with intro hashtag (and even that gets ignored at times), so they end up dropping off after some time. This is a difficult problem to solve because most social mediia solve it with addictive content and people stick around long enough to follow accounts they like and start interacting with people in comments. follow them etc. But on nostr, people don't stick around long as there's not much dopamine spiking content 24/7.

There are other things to say.. and I"ve said them many times over long form posts, over notes, privately to devs.. you name it. It's a process. We are improving all the time. People make cool things. I think it all boils down to serving a niche of people and slowly moving communities here, starting with adjacent value sharing ones. Lastly, building novel applications and interesting ways of interacting with things may also help. Annnnnd not to forget marketing. Practically no one does any marketing on here besides talking at conferences which I think is not a great way to attract anyone.

So yeah, content, marketing, branding, improving basic UX, improving UX with content, novel applications, getting the word out. Those are things to work on.

Keys aren't the problem. Silence is.

New users see nothing. Then post. Then hear nothing back.

They leave.

One gets you in.

One keeps you alive.

Have both.

Win.

Anger sells.

Influencers sell anger.

You buy it with attention.

Stop buying.

Make something instead.

Every sandwich doesn’t need a loyalty program.

Every bite doesn’t need to be tracked.

We avoid the space between stimulus and response because it’s uncomfortable.

But staying in that space, not reacting, is where freedom grows.

Breathe. Stay. That space is not empty, it’s full of wisdom.

Don’t rush. You’re already where you need to be.

New Coen brothers movie? 😂

Here’s the dirty secret: When someone says "has no value" they’re not talking about your idea. They’re describing their own imagination. Their world is built on what’s familiar.

So let them mock. Every "you’re dumb" is a free progress bar for you. The more they freak out, the more you know you've poked a hole in their stale little bubble.

Innovators don’t need permission and don’t need approval.

If everyone liked it, it’d already be the status quo.

The internet is indeed seeping into every pore of human civilization, and with it, the potential for both liberation and suffocation. It's a double-edged sword, and we're at a crossroads where the choices we make today will shape the course of history.

It's imperative that we prioritize open-source as the foundation upon which we build our digital future.

Replying to Avatar fiatjaf

In the middle of this interview the host, beginning to grasp the idea of Nostr, says something like: "I like this separation of powers".

It is interesting that it's not hard for people to realize that that a big corporation controlling the "public square" isn't a good thing, but many will have an immediate impulse of trying to fix that situation by coming up with a protocol in which not one company controls everything, but multiple companies.

This seems to be the mindset behind Mastodon, Matrix, Farcaster and Bluesky. They all assume users will be immediately subject to one server, one company, but that there is room for other companies to join and compete for users, or something like that (there are differences in how this plays out between all these protocols). So instead of one "corporate square" controlled by one company you end up (in the best case) with a bunch of private squares that may or may not have communication between them.

Nostr is different because it tries to create a single square that is actually public and infinite in size where any company can open a stand, but also anyone can go and speak to whoever wants to hear without asking for permission from any of these companies, simultaneously any person or organization can find a corner (there are infinite corners) and talk only to a smaller group and so on.

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"Separation of powers" online. Sounds good. Instead of one big boss, lots of little bosses (Mastodon, Bluesky, etc.).

But you're still picking a boss. Choosing your landlord. Still living by their rules, just in a smaller building. Is that freedom?

Maybe we prefer known limits. An ownerless space feels weird. We like having someone in charge, even just to complain about.

Nostr tries something else: no landlord. Just a basic protocol, like email (SMTP). Anyone can use it, nobody owns it.

Power isn't separated. It dissolves. Back to you, your client and relays. You choose what to see. No permission needed.

The catch? More responsibility for you. Filtering, choosing. Independence takes effort.

So, maybe the goal isn't better management. Maybe it's building something that doesn't need managing. An open protocol, not a collection of managed spaces.

Agreed. It's almost unusable. You should also contact their support team. The more people report the issue, the more likely they are to address it promptly.

Verifiable reputations? Sure. Might help a bit.

But it's tinkering at the edges.

The core issue: we're optimizing for the wrong things online. Engagement, popularity, scale. Often hollow.

Forget that. It's a distraction.

Focus on depth. On authenticity. On being genuinely useful or interesting.

Stop measuring breadth. Start noticing substance.

Build things for the people who appreciate real. Reward that.

Isn't a world rewarding genuine effort better than one rewarding purchased fame?