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Engineer at https://opennode.com --- Working on https://catallax.network - decentralized labor/bounty protocol and: https://attestr.app/ - mutual agreements signed on nostr Do you like sharing paywalled content to nostr? Install this extension: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/readtorelay/gfncdikmbmefjjbahjhgkodnhepikecj - https://github.com/vcavallo/ReadToRelay Order print books with bitcoin! https://whitepaperbooks.com

Oh yes, right. Proxies are an easy solve. You privately connect your edge device to a remote proxy you own, others connect to your proxy - they don't see your edge device IP.

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Our media calendar is starting next month: podcasts and long-form blog posts. The details of what we're working on will be much clearer as those emerge. For now I'll say: it's a peer to peer, encrypted, permissionless network of purely functional personal servers. A location/cloud-agnostic personal VM spread across as many machines as you'd like with automatic persistence of all events.

An early use case I'm excited about is trivial-to-set-up, zero maintenance personal Nostr relays that run forever and are available to you anywhere.

I guess we're done? You don't like the idea of trying to clarify our agreements and disagreements? That's fine, we can just tap out. Nice talking to you

There's no reason you can't have a personal CDN of sorts, with many fail over nodes. DDoS is a problem in general, not for personal servers specifically. You can apply the same solutions

Man this is getting so weird. Do we even know what we're talking about anymore?

I had originally said that having a self-sustaining farm is more work than "just put seeds in the ground and let my god do the rest for you". Anyone who has grown food before at any scale will agree that there is time and work involved and the larger the scale (including just family), the more work.

That was one point.

Then you started telling me that only weak people don't decide to spend their valuable time and skills in this way. I tried to make the point that specialization and division of labor is a net good for society, as it allows for societal progress in a free market (take that to be at whatever level of scale you want, from "single family" to "entire region"). I think it was around this point that you started to tell me I'm delusional.

So what are we actually arguing here? That each individual should grown all their own calories (are children included here)? That each family should? That each neighborhood should? That each town should? City? Where do you draw the line and allow people to start to trade the economic goods they create (including food) and enable higher-order goods to be generated beyond mere subsistence?

Or are you trying to make a different point altogether? Maybe try without the insults so we can figure out where we disagree, if anywhere.

For one thing, who said anything about fiat?

And the situation youre describing does not scale. It works fine for small communities, but if you like your technological devices that I assume you're pretty cozy with, you're going to need more than that.

You're describing some kind of post-collapse agrarian world where the only things a person needs are vegetables and chickens. We're having two different conversations here (and we're having it on an enormously complex globally decentralized communications system that relies on mass industrialization and capital investment in things beyond seeds...)

The farmer in the neighborhood produces the food, the engineers produce the digital infrastructure and they trade. Perfect

It STARTS with seeds in the ground, agreed. But keeping such an endeavour maintenaned properly and scaling it a little is an enormous time investment, and thus an opportunity cost. I'm a software developer and a cofounder of a company - it's not the most valuable use of my time.

I live in a rural area on 4 acres and grow some food, including potatoes. But a self-sufficient farm is a very different story, time-investment-wise. I'm a software developer and my time is better spent (better for me and you) that way.

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it's a paradigm shift nostr:npub19ma2w9dmk3kat0nt0k5dwuqzvmg3va9ezwup0zkakhpwv0vcwvcsg8axkl. It's not the food that's holding you back from self-sufficiency. it's the allure of luxuries in the city. It's trading real wealth for luxury.

literally everything on this planet comes from the earth. Food and shelter are among the easiest and most basic. The earth provides. God put Adam and Eve in the Garden. It's where we belong.

Protein is not as big an issue as you think it might be. Chicken, eggs, and fish are the easiest to start out with. But get yourself a rifle and steaks are back on the menu.

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Where did that rifle come from?

Replying to Avatar GrumpyGardener

it's a paradigm shift nostr:npub19ma2w9dmk3kat0nt0k5dwuqzvmg3va9ezwup0zkakhpwv0vcwvcsg8axkl. It's not the food that's holding you back from self-sufficiency. it's the allure of luxuries in the city. It's trading real wealth for luxury.

literally everything on this planet comes from the earth. Food and shelter are among the easiest and most basic. The earth provides. God put Adam and Eve in the Garden. It's where we belong.

Protein is not as big an issue as you think it might be. Chicken, eggs, and fish are the easiest to start out with. But get yourself a rifle and steaks are back on the menu.

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I don't live in a city, I live on four acres and have had vegetable gardens of varying sizes, including fairly large. If I put in the time to grow ALL my own food I would have no time to build the technology I'm building.

The thing I am describing, but at societal scale. Everything is an economic good provided by voluntary exchange on the free market, including defense, arbitration, law, etc. Private property and voluntary exchange is all you need as the building blocks.

https://www.amazon.com/Spontaneous-Order-Capitalist-Stateless-Society-ebook/dp/B012DL2SQ2

Still very hard and not "just put the seed in the ground" especially if you want enough protein