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Me and my wife are switching to carnivore, but we've had to do it slowly... Eliminating all carbs except rice and tortillas. Then eliminated tortillas. Next week finally eliminating rice. Took 4 months of detox. It's crazy man

There would still be debt. You could still take out loans. The goal would be to provide so much value with a new product that you make enough to cover your debt OR a company that figured out a way to reduce the cost of a product could borrow to start up and undercut the competition, therefore, capturing all that value to pay back to the lender.

Lending, borrowing, paying off, and defaulting all existed before the current system. To take Jeff's argument, people are so ingrained in this system and the wacky numbers that it's hard to see the other system.

Someone had asked what's one of the things a #Bitcoin world will bring about that is most important to you:

My answer is a serious reduction in the work week. As technology brings prices closer to cost, your cost of living goes way down, which means more time spent with family, friends, and hobbies. Will be an amazing world where everyone only has to work a few hours a week for the necessities and open up time for creativity and invention of things we can't even dream.

Makes me wish I had a musical brain. I tried to learn bass six years ago... Wasn't terrible, but after six months of just trying to train myself, I realized I just can't think in that way. I can write a programming symphony in the automation world, but can't wrap my head around music. So I'm back to just listening and enjoying what I can't understand.

It's seriously sad to watch... Because I agree with him on almost everything else... But he's so invested in yellow rock mining companies there's no way he'll change his tune until it's way late in the adoption curve.

He won't even take his own advice of putting 5% in, just in case. At least not publicly

I get into arguments all the time because my wife and I won't be putting our kids in public schools. Part of why I married her was because she was the only one I could find that legitimately wanted to homeschool her kids. Couldn't put a ring on her fast enough

I was finally able to get my latest purchase of #Bitcoin off of the exchange and reached my stack goals.

Now that goal post is moving and I'm behind again, but honestly after losing my initial coins because I outsmarted myself, I'm just happy to hit my goal

#[0]​ you know what's crazy to think about with your charts? As much as we talk about stacking to a whole coin... Is how people will talk about stacking 1 million satoshis in the future.

It's such a wild thought.

Also, how much intelligence and productivity will be unlocked when you no longer need professional investors that have dedicated their lives to understanding the Fiat system. I use your horse trainer metaphor to help people understand my point.

The future with #Bitcoin looks so bright!

I was able to successfully orange pill a salesman that the company I work for does business with. He didn't understand how Bitcoin is used as payment. Had him download WoS, zapped him some sats and it blew his mind. Sent him a link to "The Bitcoin Standard" and he devoured it in four days.

I usually get so much pushback I love it when I get a win!

Replying to Avatar Rune Østgård

I should have chosen my words more wisely when I criticized @JasonPLowery on Twitter. It wasn’t conducive, and I regret it. He blocked me, and I can understand why.

I apologize, and if some of you are in contact with JL, you may forward this note to him.

I criticized him for supporting the idea that the Fed should print money to buy bitcoin (see picture). I’ll explain why below.

I also fell in the same trap as I sometimes criticize others for, because I questioned his motives for writing the book. That was just plainly stupid of me, and I have deleted the tweet.

JL seems to believe that the Fed can do good, and that today’s monetary system was created because «physics» dictated that a system with central banks had to be adopted. (The What is Money? Podcast, The Jason Lowery Series, ep. 5, 46:42 – 47:15).

This argument seems to be founded on the same understanding of our current system as his argument that the Fed should print money to buy bitcoin.

But seeing central banks as a potential force for good runs contrary to our experience of why central banks were created, what they do and why.

It’s also contrary to my personal understanding of why we ended up with a global fiat standard.

In my view it happened because monopolizing and manipulation of the money supply, with inflation, deflation and channelization of money, is and has always been a policy, for approximately 2,500 years.

This policy has IMO always aimed at benefitting the few at the cost of the rest of humanity. Which is exactly what it does too. As time goes, it results in most people owning nothing and being miserable.

If physics (low transport speed, the need for physical storage) played a role in the demise of gold as money, it was IMO because it was used as a rhetorical argument in the political discussion.

The fundamental objective was always to ensure more government control of money, not to make the monetary system more efficient.

The «physics argument» is the same argument that I often hear people come up with, as they say that «gold lost the competition against fiat», because fiat moves faster than gold, and money needs to move fast in the modern age.

The problem with this argument is that gold became centralized in central banks as part of a deliberate policy that also included mandatory fractional reserve banking, setting up obligatory banking cartels, public licensing of banks and a regulatory regime fully captured by the financial sector.

In other words, it wasn’t an issue of «competition» or «physics». It was all about politics and coercion.

Without political intervention, gold would most likely have been decentralized and stored by private entities such as banks and warehouses scattered across the globe.

Paper receipts, digital receipts, and IOUs would have circulated as currencies, and today at speed of light.

Before aviation, gold would in a private monetary system probably have been transported by ships as an add-on service to their standard freight services and exchanged at the high seas and in harbors.

A lot of gold would probably have spent most of its time on the oceans and in harbors instead of onshore. In the aviation age airplanes and airports would have performed the same service.

The natural limitation of gold would have meant that small amounts of gold would have become extremely valuable over time, driving down transport, storage and settlement costs immensely.

Technological innovation in transport and security services would have had the same effect. In short, settlement costs and other transaction costs would have become lower and lower over time relative to any given amount of gold.

Such a decentralized system, combined with IOU’s could have been quite efficient, although not nearly as efficient as a system based on Bitcoin.

It would probably have been more resilient against competition from new forms of money, but also more accomodative to Bitcoin, compared to today’s monetary system.

It might be that JL believes holding bitcoin will transform central banks’ incentives, that it will make them do more good and less evil. Although the idea is enticing, I am somewhat skeptical.

The reason is that I think such a policy likely would go hand in hand with a regulatory war against ownership and mining of bitcoin. Although it wouldn’t be successful in the long run, it could seriously delay private adoption of bitcoin.

In the meantime, the governments and the financial elites would also take the opportunity to use money printing to acquire as big a share of the real economy as possible, which was what happened during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The result is that one percent of the population today control half of global wealth. This control acts as a “claim on bitcoin” and other forms of money, just as much as money is a claim on economic goods and services.

Therefore, I fear that even though JL may have the best of intentions, his proposals might produce a very different outcome than the one he wishes for.

I started this tweet apologizing to JL for the wording in my criticism and that I attacked his motives. And I’ve explained why I have questions and why I disagree with him.

I don’t expect that the two of us ever are going to have a discussion on these topics. Regardless of this, I must nonetheless consider reading his book book. As an intelligent guy wrote in a group chat today:

«It’s nonetheless useful to understand other peoples’ understanding of what Bitcoin is. Everybody has had different life experiences. And having a broad framework to describe Bitcoin to beginners is positive».

Wise words. I will try not to forget them.

Very interesting read. From my own understanding of Jason's argument about abstract power, so much power was given to governments that gold may have ended where we are no matter what. Because so much abstract power is given to governments, they centralize as much as possible.

As for your skepticism I completely understand. I too am wary of governments stockpiling Bitcoin and potentially cutting citizens off from ever being able to acquire some themselves, however, trying to get in Jason's headspace: he truly believes this is a war mechanism/tool. If he's correct, then everything must be abandoned for the new tool in order to come out on top. You don't commit resources to making swords when cannons arrive.

I'm also skeptical of the military aspect of Bitcoin. He doesn't have any practical use cases for why the government would be hashing in his book so far... I'm barely into chapter 5. Although I've also seen him allude to the fact that he has practical applications/reasoning but because he's a US Patriot he doesn't want to give those out for other countries to get ahead.

All in all time will tell what the truth is... All it has really done for me is drive me to stack sats more.

I think the apology is very noble. We all get caught in our own heads at times. And looking to his thesis again, I do think he's right about one thing at least: software being influenced by the creators own bias. Just because the creator describes the software as one thing, doesn't necessarily mean that's the ONLY thing it can do. We see this in writing all the time where the author doesn't even understand the full implications/symbolism of his/her own work.

Appreciate your point of view it's given me more to think about. :)

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The Case for Apprenticeships

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The classroom setting is very unnatural. You sit there for an hour or two and just listen to someone talk while you dutifully take notes, or more likely, doom scroll your social media feed and maybe check your email. Learning by just sitting there and absorbing is against everything that we are as human beings. We are built for action. Moving our bodies around and imitating what others are doing is a much more natural way to learn.

The traditional way in which people learned was through apprenticeships. You went to train with another person that was an expert in their craft and you did what they did and learned through imitation. Instead of watching them for hours and then maybe practicing some of it at home right before an exam, you watched and did what they did with a much faster iterative loop. You got feedback and corrected and tried again.

The only thing that's like that in school today is with sports, where the movement of bodies and trial and error are unavoidable. They're also highly competitive with an objective metric of wins and losses, so they trend toward doing what works in practice rather than what should work in theory.

Theory versus Practice

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And indeed, that's what we're talking about, the difference between theory and practice. Lectures and classrooms are all theory. There's way too little practice.

This is why theory has such pitiful production. Social sciences are pretty much all theory. They're usually some twisted rationalization of some political goal. Since it's not based on truth and has very little in terms of objective competition, it tends to stray far into political power games.

We've been seeing this trend in academia where even hard sciences get deep into theory with very little practice. For example, string theory has been around for over 20 years and hasn't produced any results. Yet it continues to be popular, largely because of the investments PhD's made decades ago that are being bailed out by universities. That is to say, it's a giant circle jerk subsidized by political power games.

The real work has always been done on the ground, by people who are building. And to learn what they do isn't easily taught in classrooms, it's taught in factories and garages and labs.

Unscaling Education

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So why isn't apprenticeship more popular? The main reason is that it doesn't scale very well. Apprenticeship was mostly practiced within families where a parent would teach a child their trade. They had a natural incentive to make sure the child learned what they needed to as they shared a last name and would carry on a legacy.

To do that in a modern setting would be prohibitively expensive. There are way more people that want to get into certain trades than are spots available, so how do you choose them? We can see how restrictive this requirement is when looking at medical doctors. Part of why there are so few spots for doctors is the requirement of doing a residency, which is a form of apprenticeship. Medical schools typically have 5% or below acceptance rates, showing that there are way more people that want to be doctors than are doctors. In other words, apprenticeship is very hard to scale.

But nonetheless, I think it needs to be brought back, because we're losing a lot by not doing so. The best in a given field rarely pass on all of their tricks of the trade and sadly, they're re-learned through painful experience by others in the same trade. Diffusing that knowledge and experience is a way to not lose the progress we've made.

True... Which is why the trades (electrician, plumber, etc.) Still use this system. It's not perfect but I'm almost through to my journeyman electrician's license currently. Learned more the last four years as an apprentice than I ever did in school.

Hahaha... It's funny that people come up with new Descartes theories every few years. "How do you know you're not a brain in a tank" was the OG argument. There's no null hypothesis. And to that end, if we are all just lines of code and you believe that, then there's no point in arguing other than to paralyze your opponent.

#[0]​ after listening to your latest podcast with Troy Cross...I wonder if you've gone down the origins of totalitarianism in childhood rabbit hole? Most people in this world are raised in a totalitarian household which makes people more susceptible to needing an authority figure to run everything. Not causation but strong correlation.

You don't have to answer just wondering out loud.

I really enjoyed the conversation and I'm in agreement that the world scares me how most people will fall into the war cycle.

I appreciate all you've done and continue to do. The price of tomorrow is an amazing book!

Not an expert by any means: but I do agree with your premise. Because block size is so limited the polluter has to pay a premium to issue the ordinal. But I really just think this is market dynamics playing out. Most bitcoiners didn't care about NFTs to begin with so why would they go after ordinals? In that regard I think there's a limited market for ordinals which is why it kind of fizzled so far. But yes in comparison to fiat... If you want to do a fluff project in fiat all you have to do is lobby the government and they'll print it for you. Or as I heard it somewhere: "if you want a project to move forward and it's going to grant you $300 million, but cost the taxpayers $1 each... Well you have $300 million of incentive to get that project pushed forward. If you spend $1 million to get the $300 million grant then it was worth it. It's hard for the taxpayer to fight it when they only have to give up $1 each." Whereas like you said, if you want to shill ordinals you've got to pay the protocol just like everyone else.

I hope this made sense

Sorry, feel the need to clarify. Truth itself is objective. News is mostly not anymore. In terms of discerning news nowadays it feels like you have to read both sides and find the middle because both sides have blatant bias. That doesn't mean they don't get it right every once in awhile...I just meant in terms of discerning the news.

Truth itself has a basis in reality, and objective fact.

I hope this clarifies my position

I never said truth was in the middle...I said what's being reported on is usually somewhere in the middle. There's a big difference.