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I think starting from a P2P foundation makes sense. Then like if people want to grow their account or go viral, etc, they could pay for seeding servers, so to speak.

Just an idea, but the outlier is the viral account. Most people don’t really care to extend beyond the “dunbar number” of around 150 anyway.

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Probably, but I have no idea what the limitations are in iOS that have kept something like that from being built already. Not a dev here, just a power-user and one that only uses Android for mobile these days.

There are a lot of ideas about what the ideal onboarding experience should look like. I think they will all be tried and we will narrow down on which is best based on how well received they each are by non-technical users.

I've thought it would be a great idea to have a signer built into a password manager, like Bitwarden. However, there are a LOT of people who still don't use password managers for some reason. (What is wrong with you people?)

Others like the idea of building it into a native client on each device, such as Damus on iOS and Amethyst on Primal, etc. Perhaps all native Nostr clients could have it built in, and users would just choose which one they want to use for it. I think this would create artificial lock-in for whatever client they chose. Yes, they COULD just set up a different client as their signer, if they wanted to switch, but most would just see this as an enormous hassle, especially if they have remote signing set up with multiple other clients that they would need to set up all over again.

Another idea I have seen that would possibly work on Android, but could never work on iOS, is to have the signer built into a Nostr app store, so that the user would use the app store for their original onboarding and for finding apps to use with their signing credentials. Over here on Android, that would maybe mean nostr:nprofile1qyv8wumn8ghj7enfd36x2u3wdehhxarj9emkjmn99uqzqun2rcnpe3j8ge6ws2z789gm8wcnn056wu734n6fmjrgmwrp58q390rp63 adding it to nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46z7qpq0r8xl2njyepcw2zwv3a6dyufj4e4ajx86hz6v4ehu4gnpupxxp7sdvr7w9 . I think he has more ambitious goals than just having Nostr apps in his appstore, though, as can be readily seen by perusing what is already available there.

Personally, I think having it as a separate app, like Amber, is just fine. I would love to see that signer app actually become the app used to onboard new Nostriches, and then suggest to them clients they can use with the signer, and how to get Zapstore in order to find more. However, for that to happen, the signer app needs to be readily available in the system's main app-store, otherwise you are expecting newbies to download it directly from GitHub or first get Obtainium or Zapstore (ALSO not available in the Google Play Store) to download it.

Flow should be: Go to app-store > install signing app > set up basic profile > back up nsec now or skip till later > select client to try and be redirected to download it > open client and main option for login is using a signer app which automatically reaches out to already installed and set up signer > be amazed because the client you just logged into has your profile information and a default feed because you haven't followed anyone yet.

I agree with your ideal. We just need amber on iOS.

The browser based app like nsec bunker just doesn’t cut it. It makes the whole system feel finicky and brittle.

Couldn’t a local signer be added to an app like Damus? Then it just becomes your main Nostr app?

I always wanted nostr:npub1tnpfz60snm7ler8k8c69335n37we6690qttl88t556yzkjxhahjq3kkkpe to become a local signer but that never came to fruition 😔

Lord of the Rings did not teach this btw. Hobbiton was raped by Orcs because the Hobbits were libertarians.

LOTR explicitly shows us the supremacy of the benevolent king. nostr:note1ccpxu60vsjgwuypsmpa4twmugpyw5h064pkc9nf64lwsp8rlspjqg3gute

“If we have power, then our enemies can take it from us and use it against us. So we have to intentionally cripple ourselves and make ourselves weak.”

“What if someone with power shows up and attacks or takes over?”

“…”

Honestly fiat currency is awesome when the government doesn’t hate its own citizens. Worked great for the Third Reich for example.

The problem isn’t “fiat”.

My feedback. I think the main issue is with double dipping on two separate narratives. With nsec bunker, you don’t get the benefits of the keys. It’s a reversion back to username and password. But you do get other benefits with that. So just pick one or the other. Presenting both just shows the annoyances / cons of both.

nostr:nevent1qqsrw4tgcsjg46q0j77v7vgq30qme9cnuj7t43agqcusza6ej2krs2spzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxyecpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzfmhxue69uhk7enxvd5xz6tw9ec82cs23m699

If they can read your notes, they can store your notes on their servers. Then when you want to delete your notes, they don’t get deleted, i.e. you don’t own them anymore.

Maybe…. But I know that Nostr relays don’t have the same authentication options as, say, Mastodon servers, which are heavily focused on controlling who can access the data.

I don’t think a whitelist ability is possible in Nostr btw. Best you could do is encrypt the data and share the decrypt key with a list of users.

“The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it”

When you hand it over to relays, it’s theirs, not yours.

Yeah I would honestly just lift the UX from fraidycat.

> every follow has a summary that takes up a mere two lines.

> You can certainly expand this 'line' to see a list of recent titles (or excerpts) from the individual - or click the name of the follow to read the individual on their network.

This is cool too:

> Follows are arranged by tag (text - I like to use emoji) and the tabbed bar on Fraidycat's main page lets you select a tag to view.

> Follows also have an importance: real-time, daily, weekly, monthly and yearly. These indicate how frequently Fraidycat should check that individual and moves follows off the main page if they aren't real-time, where you can view them periodically on your own.

Also their planned features:

> I'd like to offer a personal search box for your follows.

> Perhaps even a keyword filter that will notify you when that keyword comes up in a follow

The best thing about https://fraidyc.at is that one person can’t take over your feed by posting a ton.

It’s ordered just by WHO was active most recently. Nostr needs this UX badly.

nostr:npub1pu3vqm4vzqpxsnhuc684dp2qaq6z69sf65yte4p39spcucv5lzmqswtfch nostr:npub1n0sturny6w9zn2wwexju3m6asu7zh7jnv2jt2kx6tlmfhs7thq0qnflahe nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn idk who else to tag

Replying to Avatar arkinox

Thank you! ♥

nostr:nprofile1qyfhwue69uhnzv3h9cczuvpwxyargwpk8yqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsz8nhwden5te0dehhxarj94c82c3wwajkcmr0wfjx2u3wdejhgtcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qyt8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnyv96xztngv96hxtcprpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuendwsh8w6t69e3xj730qyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnddakj7qg4waehxw309ahx7um5wghx77r5wghxgetk9uq3samnwvaz7tmswfjk66t4d5h8qunfd4skctnwv46qz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0qqsd846pynwlkk7uvxu0rrghcve4hw6033c3s234acnnzjjf5n4hk8gp0ute9 helped make this happen last year 👇

Honestly, I don't think Jason took it seriously... his tweet isn't even accurate as cyberspace exists independently of bitcoin... I think he's pretty focused on his own work and not super interested in work that builds on it. Which is fine.

I think a lot more serious application needs to be applied to his theories. It's fertile ground that almost nobody is exploring.

By the way, you don’t need to bow to him just because he wrote a book. The ideas existed before both him and you. And his book was released well after you began your work.

You’re peers, if anything.

Ah, but it’s not *vapor*ware ☝️