That's exactly what we're doing when we use Monero 🤙
Privacy-based BIPs rejected, any proposals to enable Monero L2s like Drivechains rejected, so until that happens what do you expect 🤷♂️
"Monero enjoyers operate in a fearful state where they see visions of a scary future..."
I'm right on target with the discussion. If your enemy is the state, like Bitcoin is, privacy and anonymity is a crucial piece of that. Ignoring that is hoping for best case scenario.
Cake, Stack, and Feather wallet all have Tor built-in too btw
The security is tempting, but not sure I like putting all eggs in one mining basket...
Easiest way. Just download, install, and run.
"Use our non-existent Monero L2"
"Na we don't have one you. Gotta do it yourself, but we'll block your every attempt at building it"
Fuck off lol
Ah so you're just intellectually dishonest. Should have just said that.
Carry on 🤙
¿Ah, eres un viejo conocido? Entonces deberías haber sabido que CFB está de acuerdo en que no fue un ataque del 51%.
https://xcancel.com/c___f___b/status/1957092249814159743
You're in the wrong place then. Bitcoin was built in an adversarially-minded way. It's what made it so revolutionary in the first place. Don't trust, verify.
If you're naive enough not to continue in that spirit and engineer for worse case scenario just use fiat.
You can buy both Monero and Bitcoin with KYC. This is a stupid dichotomy. In fact you're more likely to get Bitcoin KYC because it's on eveyr exchange and not mass delisted like Monero.
You're confusing anonymity with privacy. Your identity can be temporarily unknown while your transactions are visible (which makes them unique and weakens your anonymity over time)
Just because I'm not interested and/or able to do it doesn't mean more nefarious actors like governments, criminals, and chain analysis aren't interested and able.
It's not random, it's probabilistic, and only a few major pools have most of the hashrate so get most blocks. They can do it for any reason or be pressured by government to make white lists, exclude your transactions because they saw you go into or out of a coinjoin, because you sent or received money from an address or transaction type they don't like. Knots miners already censor transactions without government involvment.
That doesn't mean it will necessarily be stopped, maybe it would eventually get through if a black market miner got a block every once in awhile, but would undoutedly place a massive burden in time and fees for you to get it through. Would only make economic sense for you to send if it was a very large transaction. If it was private they would have to censor all transactions to stop yours which would be far less realistic because of the massive fee pressure that would be placed on miners from all those transctions.
We've always been here bro. Most Monero users are also Bitcoiners who just want to use something more private.
Let me get this straight.
You distrust shitcoins, but take a single shitcoins website with a massive conflict of interest to misreport as "proof" of that they hit 51%?
Lmao.
Even one of Moneros harshest critics, like Kratter, is skeptical of their claims
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https://rekt.news/hashrate-heist-or-hype
Hey ball is in your court.
We've been waiting on you guys to make a Monero L2 this whole time but you reject any proposals that make it possible like Drivechains.
I think what you're saying is true, but even those payment app methods are preferable over directly buying from a KYC exchange. At least they don't know you're buying crypto. From their perspective it looks like any other payment for who knows what.
Also, USDT is reversible and freezable (possible but probably unlikely for everyday users)
DAI would be preferable as a stablecoin if you want non-reversible/non-freezable
It was an attack but they never hit 51%
You choose to live with a completely surveillable blockchain and ability for miners to censor specific transactions.
How is that for attack and manipulation 👀
You're right and with you in spirit, but that's more to the point. Anything the state doesn't like get's neutered and co-opted or pushed to the black market (aka the free market and only place you can enforce Bitcoins permissionlessness)
"It is evident that states actually prefer to ban popular things. The following is a short list of commonly-banned popular things:
Drugs
Gambling
Prostitution
Religion
Speech
Assembly
Trade
Migration
Weapons
Labor
Books
Money"
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Hearn-Error
Already happened several times
Matt does a fantastic job explaining, however that doesn’t prevent me from adding my two cents. 😏
BITCOIN VS. MONERO: THE PRIVACY WAR YOU'RE BEING LIED TO ABOUT
(Spoiler: Monero Is a Crutch for Paranoid Drug Dealers—Bitcoin Is Private Enough for Free Men.)
BITCOIN'S PRIVACY IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK
✅ Lightning Network:
- Private, off-chain transactions (no public ledger).
- Routing obfuscation (like Tor for money).
✅ On-Chain Noise:
- Millions of new addresses daily = herd anonymity.
- CoinJoin, PayJoin, Whirlpool = built-in mixing.
✅ Future Upgrades:
- Schnorr/Taproot = smarter privacy.
- Silent Payments = stealth addresses (coming soon).
Monero’s "privacy" is just a crutch for people who don’t understand Bitcoin’s tools.
💀 WHY MONERO IS A DEAD END
🚩 1. No Real Adoption
- Used mostly by criminals & degenerates (Dark Web exit-scammers).
- Zero institutional interest (because it’s useless for real commerce).
🚩 2. Centralized Development
- Anonymous devs (Sketchy as hell—who controls the code?).
- No auditability (If a bug exists, you won’t know until it’s exploited).
🚩 3. No Scalability
- Slow, bloated blockchain (Monero nodes are dying from bloat).
- No Lightning equivalent (Stuck in 2017 tech).
Monero is a niche toy for paranoid nerds—Bitcoin is private enough for the real world.
MEME THE DELUSION
🎨 Image: A Monero fanboy in a tinfoil hat whispering to a dark alley, while a Bitcoin maxi buys coffee via Lightning, smirking.
📜 Caption:
"‘But… but… muh privacy!’
‘Cool story. My LN invoice expired.’"
BITCOIN’S PRIVACY FUTURE
1. More Lightning Adoption → Private by default.
2. Better On-Chain Tools (CoinJoin++, Silent Payments).
3. Herd Anonymity → Billions of addresses = you disappear in the crowd.
Monero’s fate?
- Banned globally (regulators hate it).
- Replaced by Bitcoin’s privacy upgrades.
- Forgotten like a bad altcoin.
FINAL TRUTH
MONERO IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T TRUST BITCOIN.
BITCOIN IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T TRUST ANYONE.
PRIVACY ISN’T ABOUT HIDING—
IT’S ABOUT NOT NEEDING TO.
STACK SATS.
USE LIGHTNING.
LAUGH AT MONERO BAGGERS.
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Even Moneros privacy isn't perfect atm, but you're trying to convince us that a completely transparent blockchain that reveals sender, amount, and receiving address is "good enough"?
Lightning would be arguable if it weren't for the fact that it's best case scenario privacy is out of reach from your average user. Apparent from 90%+ using custodians which can see everything they do.
All the criticisms about Monero you displayed have nothing to do with privacy (the whole topic of your post)
Anonymity is an asymmetric advantage against the state (the main enemy of Bitcoin) privacy further bolsters that anonymity
White market Bitcoin transactions are non-starters since all white market transactions are completely and arbitrarily dictated by a central authority.
Zero knowledge privacy tech or go home
They don't have 51% of the hashrate, but they do have a worrying amount and can reorg + mine empty blocks when they do get blocks
Not with Gupax or Tari but you have to trust someone elses node if you don't point to your own
Do you know how numbers work?
Maybe you don't understand the difference between intermittent selfish mining reorgs and a 51% attack.
I'm sure you're going to believe whatever you want though.
Esto no es cierto, y puedes confirmarlo fácilmente tú mismo, pero la gente lo repite una y otra vez.
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Scroll down and look at the last 1,000 blocks of unknown hashrate. It's ~23% (and 1-3% of that are solominers or unknown pools that aren't qubic).
The 51% attack never happened. It's intermittent reorgs from a pool selfish mining.
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
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I didn't say "Android was such a shitty topic to bring up" don't put words in my mouth. I explained why I think it's not that popular to mine Monero on.
You are super opinionated all the time, but I can't have my own opinions?
Show me a single lie I've said in our entire conversation
No, you can do whatever you want, but you did pivot to Android. And I just showed you that you did after you said you didn't and that I'm "lying"
Dude you came unprovoked with the accustions and cussing directed at me for offering a couple suggestions, but I'm the one upset? 😂
What was so "fucked up" about my reply?
Before I mentioned Gupax and Tari (no Android mentioned):
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After I mentioned them (Android pops up):
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Idk how Bitcoin maxis don't understand this yet. It's like saying 14oz is heavier than 5lbs because the number is bigger.
People were saying Monero died when it was delisted, banned, DDoS attacked, etc
Apparently Monero died again 🤬
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