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Bitcoin Core propaganda point is feds are behind Knots

I suppose the feds infiltrated Knots because... they dont want to radically allow more spam?

Core is the one wanting to make the change. Knots wants existing filters to just remain.

And Ocean mining too. The FBI wants mining to be decentralised. Thats their big agenda.. LOL

Anybody thinking Knots side is fed is delusional.

It's Core who has been infiltrated by shitcoiner influence. They openly work with shitcoin spammer Taproot Wizards.

They want to turn Bitcoin into a shitcoin casino platform.

Odell won't say anything to call out the corruption. He low-key supports all the spammers indirectly.

So what kind of spam do you like or find acceptable? Please answer.

Bitcoin is not a data storage platform.

Do you disagree?

Paying a tx fee once for a monetary transaction is the expected acceptable use case.

Using it as a shitcoin enabling platform or JPEG file storage is possible but its not the intended use.

Further it DEGRADES the intended use which is monetary.

What kind of spam do you like?

Is there any sort of email or phone spam that you enjoy?

Spam is inherently undesirable. If people want to shitcoin, thats fine. Do it on Eth or somewhere NOT BITCOIN.

If you want file storage use a torrent, IPFS or something.

It is much easier to develop a relay filter than some shitcoin which exploits the spam

It is a worthwhile back and forth like any kind of security effort.

No this isnt framed right.

The decision of whats monetary or not is much sinpler and objective than how your portraying it.

Bytes after Op_RETURN are non-monetary arbitrary data but a small amount (40 or 80) had been tolerable. Data put here for images or video is obviously spam and not directly part of any tx and is spam.

Data in the inscription exploit by way of taproot is obviously spam. Same for data hidden in fake pubkeys etc.

Spammers pay the price once paid to get in rhe blockchain and then node runners are forced to bear the burden forever into the future. For legitimate monetary transfers of Bitcoin thats ok, but not for shitcoins on Bitcoin, nor JPEGs, or any other other data other than a hash.

BITCOIN IS NOT A NEUTRAL FILE STORAGE PLATFORM. That is a corruption of its purpose as money

No. People are misrepresenting the issue.

This comment makes it sound like some complex heuristic is being used to subjectively determine what is spam.

The spam filters in question are dirt simple.

You are allowed max 83 bytes after Op_RETURN vs 100000 bytes now in v30 which is crazy.

You can count the bytes in known inscription exploit technique as its done in Knots, or allow all inscription data in like with core.

Actually Knots has that as configurable so its node runner choice.

The doam filters are just limits to arbitrary non-monetary data.

"Every spam filter without cost becomes a centralization vector"... WTF does that even mean?

This is nonsense.

Nurdening nodes with hosting arbitrary data is a centraluzation vector.

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Bitcoin Core is with the shitcoiners, not Knots.

All this fucking drama was caused by the insane Bitcoin Core v30 spam-relay changes WHICH HAVE NO VALID REASON.

Core is ego tripping acting like Bitcoin is their shitcoin that they can do whatever they want with.

News of a Knots hard fork is not true.

As usual Core supporters are pushing bullshit.

The desperation is real.

It went from losing ALL respect when you went full Core-tard.

To now this arrogant dishonest attitude taking it to a new level of despicable.

All the Core shills here in the Nosttr little pond have been exposed.

You are a guardian of centralized fiat.

The shitcoin invaders of Bitcoin Core have always hoped for a fork and baited it.

So no it's just straight up making shit up.

You and all the other scumbags supporting are LYING as usual

It's not true. There is no plan for a hard fork.

Replying to Avatar ODELL

Roger Ver was the one that wanted change and control of Bitcoin though.

Now it's Core changing it for spammers expecting centralized control.

The tables have turned.

Bitcoin Core has become authoritarian and shitcoin enabling.

This is not a neutral objective site imo.

Bitcoin Core hides their intentions behind a veil of sites which are controlled by the same entities employing and funding Core devs

This puts them in the role centralized and centralizing gatekeepers.

In these forums and mailing lists known malicious spammers interact as if the should be respected and be listened to.

They gaslighted and misdirected lack of inscription exploit fix for 2 years before their agenda became too obvious

Replying to Avatar GermanHodl

The Spam Chronicles

A red thread from SegWit through Taproot to Ordinals/Inscriptions is a story about how the problem emerged, why OP_RETURN is barely relevant, and where missing policy responses made things worse.

Since 2017, SegWit has set the rules of the game. It was introduced to eliminate transaction malleability and to fit more transactions into each block. SegWit moved signatures and script data into the witness and introduced a new accounting system (“block weight”). A byte in the non-witness part counts as four weight units, while a witness byte counts as just one—roughly a 75% discount. That made SegWit attractive (and made Lightning practical), but it also laid the economic groundwork: witness bytes are the cheapest bytes.

In 2021, Taproot arrived as a soft fork—with Schnorr signatures and MAST, but most importantly Tapscript, a modernized script environment. Tapscript relaxed several old guards: the classic ~10 KB script size limit no longer applies, and the old “201 non-push opcodes” limit vanished. In practice, a Tapscript’s size is now only indirectly bounded by block weight. One important thing stayed: the 520-byte limit per stack element. But by using many ≤520-byte pushes, you can add up to very large overall witness payloads—still discounted by SegWit. This combination—more “shelf space” plus cheaper bytes—created the technical breeding ground for what came next.

From late 2022 onward, the “envelope” trick became popular: scripts stash data in a never-executed Taproot branch, typically

OP_FALSE OP_IF … … OP_ENDIF.

That branch is not executed, but the bytes are visible in the witness. External indexers like ord read the structure, treat the bytes as an “inscription,” and attach them to Satos (Ordinals). For Bitcoin’s consensus and validation, these are simply valid spends with heavy witness payload—cheap, because witness. This bypass pattern was later captured in a security note (CVE-2023-50428): the historic datacarriersize policy, which limits OP_RETURN, is circumvented by disguising data as “code” inside an unreachable branch.

That’s why the OP_RETURN debate misses the point. OP_RETURN was always a small, standardized data outlet—and that’s exactly what -datacarriersize limits. Ordinals/Inscriptions, however, do not use OP_RETURN at all; they use witness/Tapscript. You can argue about making OP_RETURN 40, 80, or 4 MB—but the cheapest and most flexible path remains the witness. So OP_RETURN is not an honest solution to the observed data growth. The fact that some developers publicly discussed loosening or removing the 80-byte standard limit for OP_RETURN (Core 30, targeted for October 2025) illustrates the wrong front line: it doesn’t address the witness path where the big payloads actually enter.

What should have been done instead—without changing consensus, purely via relay/mempool policy? Bitcoin Core already uses standardness rules (guidelines for what nodes will relay). That’s exactly where early, explicit action could have helped: treat unreachable witness branches as data carriers and cap them per input/transaction; add size ceilings for Tapscript and witness bytes in standardness; and—if desired—mark the envelope pattern as non-standard. Alternative builds and third-party patches (e.g., Ordisrespector) already do this: they detect typical inscription patterns and don’t relay them. That proves policy works—it just needs broad adoption (ideally by pools, too) so the economics flip.

The lack of a timely response in Core’s default mempool—i.e., the absence of a clear witness-side policy—made the situation worse. The cheap path remained untouched, while the OP_RETURN discussion signaled to many that the actual gap might not be seen as a problem at all. Documents reflect this tension: the CVE explicitly notes that some consider it “not a bug,” even as the concrete bypass (obfuscating data as code via OP_FALSE OP_IF) is well documented. The result was a stalemate: while many node operators and alternative clients filtered, the default stayed permissive—and the economics of witness did the rest.

Put the chronology together and a clear picture emerges: SegWit introduced the witness discount and fixed malleability—for good technical and economic reasons. Taproot/Tapscript deliberately relaxed old script limits to enable more flexible spend paths—also a valid goal. Unintentionally, the combination created a cheap, high-volume data path. When it became clear in 2022/23 that this path was being used for arbitrary data, a decisive policy response on the witness side could have dampened the wave. Instead, the debate shifted to OP_RETURN—a sideshow that doesn’t touch the material problem.

The lesson is unglamorous but clear: if you want to curb non-monetary usage, you must act where the economics live—in the witness. That means standardness limits for Tapscript/witness, clear rules for unreachable branches, and—if desired—pattern filters for common inscription envelopes. Anything else, especially cosmetic tweaks to OP_RETURN, will crash against block weight discount and just open a door for new additional non-monetary uses, even malisious ones.

Well summarized.

The fixes you talk about which could have been done were done though, in Knots.

It's just a matter of enough node runners realizing Bitcoin Core has become negligent at best, or intentionally compromised to undermine Bitcoin at worst

Matt Blue hair posted this link also.

It must be part of the spam proponents strategy.

So a stack exchange post is going to turn it around and people will accept insane defaults to allow a flood of spam?

Don't think so.

Bitcoin Magazine turned into Shitcoin Magazine and the shitcoin magazine employees work hand in hand with Core also.

I think it really reflects poorly on Core when you have blatant shitcoiners like Loop, Wall, Rijndael in their circle as if they're legit.

Face it, Bitcoin Core has been captured by shitcoin spam interests. And Core in turn act like they alone are entitled to control its direction

It's a very weak explanation for this bizarre radical change. It has factual errors also.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to change the OP_RETURN limit back to how it is in v29.

The way they lazily changed it with the expectation it would be deprecated essentially broke how it used work.

It's now the limit per output or something.

Regardless the limit will NOT WORK as before. It will be more than 83.

Wow, didn't have a very good view of Walker before. This takes it to new lows...

He has now veered hard into being a lowlife propagandist scumbag to turn a murder that just happened today into a bullshit talking point.

Charlie Kirk got murdered and so lets tie that Knots somehow...

There are definitely fake Knots accounts on here looking bad for them to attempt twist it.

Spam supporters use low tactics, lies and bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that Bitcoin dev is horribly centralized and corrupt. They are pushing a radical change clearly and arrogantly without consensus.

Knots at 20% in months from expected community pushback.

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How can you tell it's spam though?

Isn't that censorship?

They can still get spam through if they try hard enough so therefore it doesn't work and it should be removed.