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I think slow and steady growth is the right modus operandi for #nostr.

Replying to Avatar hodlbod

A new user who is getting shadow-banned from nostr:

nostr:nevent1qy2hwumn8ghj7am0deejucmpd3mxztnyv4mz7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uq3wamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwwpexjmtpdshxuet59uq35amnwvaz7tmsw4exzanfv3sjumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qqsv749n98jytusc545usuky5p9h8xzyl605rys9mpelyfre0yn4j3qd5kvzh

How can we improve this? I think the main fault is with primal here (just because nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46z7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qqs92xycp9kys8cqyx09e9pfnggaj9prjjwd67t6t7zs3ra4fyh2u4gv4c4d0 is using it), for blocking notes from its own users, and not showing relay publish failures (maybe?). But the criticisms apply to all clients.

Probably the root issue is that relay policy is hard to infer via nip 11 and notice/ok messages. It's also one of those unglamorous chores like error handling that no devs (except go devs) enjoy.

At the end of the day relays are really just redundancy servers but with lealy abstraction in the nostr eco system. Unless some clients come up with a brilliant GUI for it, then most user's won't understand it.

The client question is how much hand holding should be done or not.

I agree more could be done in the relay info department, for users. In most cases they are quite tricky to know anything about on the client side.

Replying to Avatar Permanent Beta

@asknostr

I'm trying to figure out the whole relay thing.

I send a note 3 times using nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg desktop, every time connecting to different relays.

Good to know: I am a new user with 6 followers (including myself) and 192 following. This will give me probably a low WoT score, but it will be the case for many new people who come into nostr.

To check which relays accepted my notes, I used nostr:npub13myx4j0pp9uenpjjq68wdvqzywuwxfj64welu28mdvaku222mjtqzqv3qk (shout out to nostr:npub1jlrs53pkdfjnts29kveljul2sm0actt6n8dxrrzqcersttvcuv3qdjynqn for his amazing work)

TRIAL 1 - standard primal relays

3 relays accepted my note:

- nostr.oxtr.dev

- relay.damus.io

- relay.nostr.band

The strange thing is that only relay.damus.io was in my relay list, the others were not. Not sure where they came from, unless there is a delay in (dis)connecting to relays?

I also was very surprised that relay.primal.net did not accept my note

TRIAL 2 - relays that are advised online (google search)

I connected to 13 relays in total, including nos.lol and relay.snort.social

3 relays accepted my note:

- nostr.oxtr.dev

- relay.mostr.pub

- relay.damus.io

So, all these 3 relays were in the list of 13, so basically my note got rejected by 10

TRIAL 3 - the WoT relays that are advised because of spam.

I was curious to see what would happen for a new user like me

I connected to 15 WoT relays.

The only 2 relays that accepted my note:

- nostr.oxtr.dev/

- relay.damus.io/

Both those 2 relays were not in my relay list

QUESTIONS

1) Is there indeed a delay between connecting to relays and the actual usage of relays to accept your notes? This could explain some of the relays accepting my notes while they are not in my relay list

2) Is there a way for new users to get some engagement on their notes? With a low WoT score, I think their notes are rejected by many relays. Even if they are connected to 10+ relays, it is likely that their notes are only accepted by one or two relays. What are the best 5 relays to be connected to as a new user?

3) Is there a reason that I cannot see my own posts in my primal (desktop) feed? A few days ago, I could see my own posts in my feed, but that seems to have disappeared. I assumed this had to do with relays, and this started my initial investigation.

4) What can be the reason that in primal I see 5 reactions on my earlier post, but in Coracle I see an extra reply by someone? Can this be relay - related?

A long rambling, I know, but I try to figure out how all these parts work together. Because I want to build on Nostr, without users having to understand anything about the underlying plumbing. For that to succeed, I will need to understand it myself πŸ˜‰ )

Mental note: get my wallet filled up, so I can start zapping the helpful community.

You can always connect to a relay of your own :)

Pay for a members relay.

Or just wing it on some relays your followers are using.

I imagine you saying this to the bathroom mirror each morning.

"I cut, you choose"

Is an interesting self moderating systems approach to regulating fairness between parties.

Beautiful autumn delivering, fire breating dragon vibes.

#bitcoin orange

I'm asking because it's only at that level I would be able to get a friend to use the app and try it out with them ^^

#networkeffect

True! And more better tools are needed :)

I just noticed how disproportionately powerful this simple follow verification tag was recently though. Scam versions of nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcewvzaw where appearing in my feed. And this sinole trick helped me notice that in no time.

Make sure you are following the correct npub. The a "verified follow" mark in the client is a very secure proof of identity verification.

Amethyst got this and other clients should follow.

The power of love overcomes the love of power.

Good enough ideas will get picked up by the technical people :) ^^

nostr will be so big

The hive mind of one. If it's true that ChatGPT has 0.18 billion users that means that we have centralized the thinking of a lot people through one single AI node.

I'm not sure that's good for creativity in the long run. That's just crazy to me.

I'm close to calling Bull on the "delayed gratification is the key to success" trope. Hear me out..

Actuall success is about getting things done. Putting energy on delaying gratification gets in the way of that.

What you actually want it feeling gratification doing the things that matter. That's way stronger than delaying gratification.

Next iteration of this problem will likely shuffle these parameters ^^

Share if your local government works the same:

https://video.nostr.build/1624abf2f9502d0b67d3bd3e76d3c287395ec99d49f64d482d556bfaf0e13849.mp4

Hilariously accurate xD

I remember a bench in Uppsala (Sweden) that cost over 1 million USD...

Could we like... keep a public list of products that preforms "active listening"?

I would like to know

1. what products are capable

2. which do it

3. how to disable it if no alternative device is available :)

#privacy https://video.nostr.build/cb32da7653b2e54958e344e41fbada8bc7c7e03156924ca874bd6ca03fe62041.mp4

I'm always browsing methods for online math formatting, this Typst was interesting. Thx!

Interesting! Will look into this

How about donate by zap votes on issues? I know the github classic don't support it, but maybe we can innovate :)

The Bangladesh government shut down the internet? Not even a VPN solves that problem.

#nostr + Meshnets & or satellite internet solves this kind of problem.

I would like to see some nostr hardware that could send notes over radio or something to a relay that's connected to the internet somewhere else. https://video.nostr.build/7d61a10b9bf2ca7e8a71f6d355bd3d558073cbf785871866c070b95a68f83f2f.mp4

Of course we have :)

All influential people aren't famous, all influential people are connected to people, often connected to more than the average of a 100 other users.

Many blueskyers used their X & Bluesky in tandem. While many influential nostr people went nostr only and couldn't inform the Brazilians about nostr when the timing was ideal.

For days now bluesky has been trending on X. Doing sign ups.

I think nostr could do well with some PR & marketing efforts by clients. That's what the users understand & resonate with.

Allright I browsed that site a bit and got convinced as well. Especially by this: https://docs.asciidoctor.org/asciidoc/latest/stem/ ❀️

For business purposes I would like a payment terminal that freezes X% of the satoshis in stable-sats and keeps the rest in regular sats. This because taxes is owned on the value of the commodity at time of purchase.

So it would make things more handy if one could just offset the tax payment directly and freeze it's volatility.

Maybe this would be neat to have directly incorporated in a nostr:nprofile1qqs22d4tralncqfnh2kmmarjkxk8449hwnk5xtqe3y5yry6hy7ytegqpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgcwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxvmt59emkj73wvf5h5tcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsymkvl9 terminal / app.

Home is where #Bitcoin is

Indeed! Complexity is friction for decentralization.

An #AI just live generated this for a player to play. That's right... No game engine, no game logic code, just an AI diffusion model updating the world from user input. This is amazing.

Clearly a potential paradigmshift in gamedevelooment. No code graphics?

A few tweeks and you can get the audio running on this as well, and then you can have an infinitely procedurally generated DOOM game running.

https://video.nostr.build/e65244aa013552bb3d54002de8dcf611375eaba0cab0f27cdc4c3966fcb6ae39.mp4

I think its also important to note the human aspect of it all. The saying: "You can only keep a secret between two people, and even the one is safer."

Is true even here. So the larger the group the easier it is to sneak in as a third party eavesdropper.

Even with best security encryption the screenshot leakage will increase per person in the group as well.

lol

weak france cyber sec then x)

Welcome to all

nostr is amazing,

I really enjoy the idea of us breaking free from the mainstream platforms. And growing our crowd under the radar.

The pirate ship of the internet.

Replying to Avatar SimpleX Chat

Announcing $1.3m pre-seed investment from nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m and

Asymmetric VC in SimpleX Chat πŸš€

https://simplex.chat/blog/20240814-simplex-chat-vision-funding-v6-private-routing-new-user-experience.html

Also SimpleX Chat v6.0 stable is now released with the new user experience and private message routing – details in the post.

Cool cool ^^

Potentially yes. The current use is very simple and robust, which has its benefits.

But maybe a nostr-clustr account could for instance solve the problem of keyrotation. Not on the base layer, but on a nostr2.0 layer.

Just as lightning is a second layer to the blockchain, I could see a way that a new account type emerge that hovers over multiple #nostr npubs.

#Bitcoin is free-market money, without borders.

What is the current storage and hot-hosting costs for data? Like what's the cost per byte & time.

Take care if your soul and it will care for you.

Apparently this image can indicate weather or not you prefer decentralized protocols

#nostr

In the end we the demos decide. We just have to talk and inform our peers and in the long run that will out weigh insider elitistic decrees.