SEC has just granted accelerated approval for the listing and trading of options on $IBIT.

And you think they are not controlling bitcoin?

- First they created cash-settled futures (Fiat), which made it possible to create paper bitcoin.

- When they already had a huge futures market with the CME, then they gave way to ETFs to be able to control the price, ETFs are also cash settled (Fiat).

- Finally they have approved options, also not redeemed with the underlying, redeemed with Fiat.

You must understand that the three Bitcoin institutional instruments, Futures, ETFs and options all revolve around Fiat and not Bitcoin, they are all cash settled. The only one that affects Bitcoin volume are the ETFs and even then they are not redeemed on the underlying.

They are trying the same play as with gold.

The money changers, i.e. the old bankers (Rothschilds) knew that to get into power they simply had to have as much gold as possible and create the loan/interest system.

This is what they are doing now with Bitcon, taking Bitcon away from the people.

Saifedean explains very well in his book Patron Fiat that in a Bitcoin system it won't make much sense to lend Bitcoin for interest.

What can you do?

- Never deposit Bitcoin in a bank.

- Create circular economies, black market, grey market, counter economy.

- Never pay taxes on Bitcoin.

- Never give Bitcoin to a government, before they are lost.

https://www.sec.gov/files/rules/sro/ise/2024/34-101128.pdf

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"Controlling bitcoin" is a strong framing. I disagree with that part. However, the rest is gold ... or hopefully not moving forward.

very deap and simply true 🙏🙏🔥 thank you

They only thing they can theoretically control is the fiat price, but that will, eventually, blow up in their faces

What? These Companies now hold a huge amount of Bitcoin through their ETF offerings.

Market makers (of which these companies are now the largest) provide liquidity to the market, which reduces volatility.

So yes they can heavily influence the price, because they are the heaviest fish in the market, we are already seeing the price trading sideways for longer than it ever has in the previous cycles. And as the more inflows that pour into their ETFs, the more bitcoins price will trade sideways as time goes on.

This is what it means when the say “then they fight you”.

The rule makers will change whatever rules they need to keep power. They have no limit as absolute power is their absolute goal.

I’m happy for that. It’ll keep bitcoin way cheaper than should be for a long time. Saylor bought 2 billion dollars in BTC and the price didn’t explode. In 3 days. The Saylor boi bought 90 days of mining in BTC and everything’s ok. For sure there’s a lot of OG happy to settle for 60k and they were waiting for years to reach that level. But let’s see. I think 100k will be another hard threshold to reach, because probably there’s a lot of people with thousands or hundreds of coins they will accomplish their goals/dreams with that level. And makes sense. But again, it’s good. Paper bitcoin always fail in the long run. But for now, I’m happy. 😊

Yeah I'm thinking the same. If it keeps price lower for longer, I have more time to load up on cheap sats. Hopefully they won't be able to suppress the price forever and reality takes over.

"they are trying ..."

let's see how it plays out

SEC would approve options on its mom if they stood to profit for it.

Wow so are you really suspicious of Michael Saylor's recent remarks?

Michael Saylor is not a bitcoiner, he is an agent Smith, if he were a Bitcoiner he would not say this nonsense.

"If i put a $100 billion into bitcoin and get 0% yield that's just as bad as $100 billion in US bonds and pay 0% yield, in both cases they're non-performing assets". -

@saylor

There are a lot of red flags with him. Cornering #Bitcoin as a store of value only, which enables government control through taxation; advocating for the USD as our MoE and centralized Bitcoin holdings via ETFs and strategic reserves to avoid a parallel system; to align with Banks, Corporations, Wallstreet etc etc

Not to mention his past.

Totally agree with you

Yes

Thankfully most of the supply is in plebs hands.

Anyone who demands yield from their bitcoin is not only not one of us, they are our enemy. They are saying they deserve to get value from society without giving any value back.

The entire point of bitcoin is that no one gets money from society without giving value to society.

Yes but he still has more Bitcoin than you do? He is totally outbitcoining you. He's winning, you're losing. Bitcoin only works if you have more than the other guy.

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You don’t understand the way the world works nearly as much as you believe you do.

Ah dang. Anyways we're all waiting for your erudite elaborations.

You’re the one that keeps coming to places and speaking about how sailor has all the bitcoin and that’s the greatest thing.

You literally come back with sarcasm. I get it. You’re a #cuck or a #troll. I’ll mute you now.

I tend to agree, but he's only been around for 4 years so I give him the benefit of the doubt. He might not be an Agent Smith. There's a good chance he's unaware of this threat.

You're keeping it 💯

My goodness … 🤣🫡🗣️

This is only a problem if you are holding paper #Bitcoin . They can short it all they want, but eventually economic reality will reprice it. It will destroy any leveraged degenerate in the meanwhile.

Yes, but think of all the people who talk about bitcoin on nostr vs. the people on nostr.

I'm pretty sure the nostr nerds like us hold their own keys, but I suspect most of the "Twitter/X BTC" people leave their sats on an exchange.

You are correct!! Keep up the good work!

Saylor's comments on yield over BTC completely misses the point. As a Muslim, I consider avoiding Riba in all forms (interest, unproductive yield, and money printing... Etc.) as a paramount financial ideal.

When Saylor says BTC is yield bearing, he is trying to reestablish the Riba mechanism on BTC. He can, for sure, demand interest or yield, but what's most certain is that on the long run it is impossible to keep running. The ultimate case is that all 21M btc is lent out, where are lenders expecting more bitcoin to cover the yield?

In a soft money standard, interest is supported by fiat money printing. In a hard money standard, interest us pure usury that expects creating money out of nothing. The two ideals are just incompatible.

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

On the other hand, all the remaining bitcoin will be mined for over a hundred years. If we imagine that the price of it will grow exponentially, as Saylor expects, and traders will continue to trade bitcoin (existing coins will not 100% be pledged for loans, but also move on exchanges), loans taken in fiat will be covered by the rising price of bitcoin through the reduction of the collateral fund for such loans.

Sure. But the rate of BTC issuance is already the lowest rate of all commodities. So, most of those 100 years will be just the tail end of issuance.

Fiat nominated debts are beside the issue. If you take a fiat loan today, you know it will be cheaper tomorrow. Interests on BTC nominated debts are not sustainable on the long terms. If you take BTC loan today, you know imagine (to use your own words) it will be exponentially more expensive to pay back.

The only way to pay it back properly is to decouple btc from fiat, and then we go back to my argument; given issuance rate halves every ~4 years.

Gold is possibly more easily controllable as the scarcity is unknown, but obv with Bitcoin there are enough ways to surpress it as well. Pretty sure many govs will try to ban all BTC adoption in the coming years (incl Nostr zaps).

I believe you just made the argument of why gold can’t be controlled and why bitcoin can be controlled.

You can’t control something when you don’t know the amount.

21 million a few million coins have been lost. You know the number. Everyone knows how many to capture.

They did not ban gold (or its adoption). They took control of its mining, banned the free circulation of nuggets and bars, forced all jewelry to be branded and declared. In the case of Bitcoin, the attack vector may be aimed at self-storage and banning self-custody wallets. There have been attempts and there will be more, but they are unlikely to ban Bitcoin (or its adoption) - they want to control it.

The US and our markets can't control a decentralized world wide asset. We're only something like 300 million people in a world of 8 billion.

Good points but there are no options on self-custodied Bitcoin.

The institutions can do whatever they want with their Bitcoin. All things are positive for Bitcoin in the long run.

But theyre fucking around and finding out right? It might work for a while then Maybe it will blow up

These are the second or third order implications I was thinking of. Thanks for sharing some insights. We’ll see how this plays out

Scarcity is the ace card!

нет не контролируют... только могут напровлять , но когда комиссии будут превышать награду за блок, решать куда идти будет не SEC а те кто дает комиссии. уже проверенно неоднократно!

In the short run it may matter in the long run it won’t. Plebs keep stacking, other countries to. Bitcoin is not the currency of america.

Circular freedom economies will save the world. My wallet won’t hold any iSHIT or any other derivatives. When it all comes crashing down coin will go crazy. Hopefully they’ll suppress the price as long as possible while real plebs gather real sats.

💯 Work. Provide value. Save in bitcoin. Practice and preach personal responsibility. Self/collaborative custody. Opt out of their system.

Makes sense. Could get dirty.