I want to kill the Global feed and make feeds per relay so people can see what each relay has. Maybe a relay exploration feed in the 4th nav button at the bottom could be our starting point.
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Sounds cool
Sounds interesting.. #YESTR
I'm listening
Cada relé que o usuário adicionou ou todos os relés existentes?
nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h has been shouting into the void about this for years #trex 🦖
Topical Relay Explorers 🧭
You can try YakiHonne, we offer different kind of feeds, from dvms to relays feeds. Try it and give us your thoughts about it.
That'd be cool. People can choose the relays which have the best feed and choose to delete the ones with most spam.
relays feeds are boring.
Can we get country feeds instead? I want to see what nostr users in Japan, China, USA etc are doing, then sub feeds by state and city. That would be way cooler. Relay feeds are boring. What's so special about a relay feed? people just join a relay based weather it's free and not really about what the relay is about.
It's more to give people some perspective of what each relay has so that they can better choose their own relays.
Relays aren't that important in that way. I know some relays out there were trying to start relays like "sports relay" "linux relay" but it's a fail. Relays are just important to store our notes and nothing else really.
i love the global feed 💔
Relay feeds will be 10x better, I promise 😂
...I know that's relative.
This is my number one request from every client.
Thats why i liked early days Jumble. mow its complicated and messy.
So making Reddit subs?
Maybe make it a checklist so people can find their preferred mix of relays? I rather like some of the global.
That'd be cool. Then I could better set up my relays and choose between them
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Yes, would be good to choose a number of relays to show in a 'global' feed.
We should encourage more actively managed topic based relays.
It would be a good way to improve discovery and help with user retention.
Yes! Please! The more people can see how to interact with different relays, the more incentive is created to learn, build, host & curate. Even if people don't want to do that, they're more likely to find their cozy spot through less chaotic feeds.
Amethyst could have Favorited Relays in the top dropdown & single relay posting. It already takes the cake for relay management, this would expose that they can be fun & interesting too.
A lot of people taking about relay feeds but what would really be next level is a global feed that mixes in equal posts from each of your relays, but counts the time you spend on each post, and if you interact with it, and uses that to adjust the prevalence of each relay in that feed. So slowly your feed turns into only the better curated relays, but you don't have to choose a relay each time you wanna doomscroll. Of course this would all be client side.
Yeah, that would be awesome
I'd really appreciate custom feeds.
Where I can create my own filters (at least by npubs).
So I can have e.g. news feed composed of npubs I follow and a feed without those npubs (all I follow - neews feed).
Basically custom lists, but not static and with rules.
I see where you’re coming from, but I’m afraid this is going to push users in the other direction, by putting relays first and foremost you’re basically giving away the benefits npub brings over federated shit like matrix and mastodon, and ultimately centralizes users around a few popular/topic relays.
What we should be looking for instead is some way to align the economic incentives so that “relays as cattle, not a few pets” becomes economically viable.
For instance, let’s say that relay ops get some reward and for participating in the network, and users only need to top a few sats do micropayments go through as needed.
Why? I am literally giving them the option to see what each really has, not only the big ones, so that they can start using them. Today nobody knows what the other relays do and that means people only use the top 20 relays or so.
My point is that we shouldn’t (need to) be tethering npub identities and communities to relays because that also tends towards centralization.
Suppose that nostr.wine is the go-to relay to discuss about wine. Wine enthusiasts are going to gravitate towards that single relay because we tied a topic into it, so if that relay goes mad with data collection/goes down/whatever, you’re going to shake that community. And convincing people to use alternative wine relays is going to be harder because bootstrapping is complicated.
Silly example, but I think it gets the point across.
Another argument is that we can’t rely on an endless supply of goodwill like we’re doing. Serving media costs money, and if you are not paying a dime for the service eventually one of the following happens:
1. The relay goes down
2. The relay monetizes your metadata
And even if you’re willing to put mouth where your money is:
1. You’re tethering your npub with a specific relay (silly)
2. Payment is cumbersome (i.e. flat fees “punishes” text users over 4k vloggers
Overall, I think nostr is/can be much closer to some p2p protocols such as secure scuttlebutt, than it is to “federated garbage”, so I think we can steal some ideas from them, like I don’t need to sign an agreement upfront with a specific miner + monthly fee just to transact Bitcoin every once in a while.
I don't think we are tethering npubs to relays regardless of what we do here. We are just making users aware of which relays do what, which they will have to learn sooner or later. The app cannot predict what the user wants to see in a relay.