Feeling the same Bro.

Same, look east, the balkans, in europe, but still not.

Problem is, everywhere is becoming more surveilled.

What I can’t work out is why humanity is doing this to itself, or are there problematic, non human forces at play.

My advice would be to stay where you friends, family and love is. That’s the deeper, more important part of life in the end.

When you get to your deathbed will you have wished for less AML bullshit or more family and love?

GM! 💜

Exactly how I’m feeling and very interested in the replies.

We need to band together and buy an island.

FWIW I've moved from a crazed woke US state to a more freedom oriented state. I did not have deep ties in the previous state, and life in the new state is much more relaxing and beautiful. And I still have my escape plan in place if the US loses its mind.

It's all pretty worrying but as with convid, we survived and tuning out to the propaganda is probably the most healthy thing to do.

I’m thinking this may be almost a universal experience at this point in time.

The answer, if there is such a thing, is not static.

Avoid: what you described

Seek: jurisdictions that welcome you, welcome business, welcome entrepreneurs, welcome families.

No place is perfect, and exploring options in different blocks is the way.

For instance, Canada, US, and Italy is the same thing.

The EU is done. Thought about Norway or Switzerland?

How much of what you know to change affects you personally?

I hear a lot of changes you're talking about from people online, but my life has changed 0% last couple years (besides inflation)

I'm looking to find the right compromise too. I live in the pre-alps and I think that's one of the most beautiful place to be.

Changing depends in what your hope is, too be a free and happy individual or to help build your community.

It will always look like the grass is greener where you are not, reality is both (1) the grass is greener where you water it and (2) you still have not to be in the middle of the desert.

If a place is good enough, no need to stress, do the best you can, until you can.

In the end I think that if you are following the principles above, and still feel like you are not ok where you are, find something else, there is time to comeback.

Maybe all european based bitcoiners should move together to #Lugano 😁

Pura Vida 🤙

I'm basically in the same boat as you Jeff. Love to live where I live but I'm afraid for the future of Europe. I don't want my future kids to grow up in an orwellian commie environment that Europe seems to be forming into. Following this thread.

Left Europe in the end of 2019, been living mostly in Australia, travelled a little bit of Asia (Cambodia, Thailand, Bali), currently checking out New Zealand. It's sort of similar everywhere, but it definitely feels like the EU is getting worse faster. Australia is great - big, beautiful and kind of isolated, which can be both a good and a bad thing. But generally on a similar track. NZ - though I haven't been here for long, feels sort of like Australia, but perhaps even more of a nanny state. Cambodia is more down-to-Earth, but also less developed and is, unfortunately, in the process of selling themselves out to both Western and Chinese interests. Also there is a very visible division (in terms of wealth) between the normal plebs (i.e. poor people) and the government/banking sector. Thailand looks a bit better and seems to be more freedom-oriented (i.e. legalized cannabis), but that's also just sort of a surface-level observation. Unsure how good/bad the government and regulations are. Similarly I can't say too much about Bali/Indonesia - only spent a month there - but Bali itself is basically just a tourist hub and the Indonesian government looks rather bad (censorship, very harsh drug laws, it is illegal to accept BTC for payments). From what I hear there's basically 9 families (The Nine Dragons) who run the country + there's mafia around (not sure if separate from the 9 Dragons or not).

My personal current plan is to build an income stream in the West and then head out to South/Central America - countries that have already been through the deep shit and are beginning to emerge on the other side (El Salvador, Argentina). Since I've never been there yet, can't really know for sure how it's really going and what the conditions are compared to other parts of the world. But I'm hopeful.

We really do need a true Bitcoin country. The land of the wild & free.

Godspeed 💜🧡

I've lived in Switzerland for 3 years, I really recommend it!

Nature around here is beautiful - It's in the middle of the alps, so you have a lot of big and small mountains nearby. There's also many lakes between the mountains you can go boating or swimming in. In winter there's great access to skiing. Here's some photos from Lucerne / Lake Lucerne and Mt. Pilatus for flavor. 🤩

Local life is extremely safe and crime free - Even the largest cities like Zürich feel safe at night, which is important to me at least.

Switzerland as a country is very Bitcoin friendly: Lugano has made Bitcoin legal tender. Zug is nicknamed "crypto valley" - Sadly that's mostly due to a lot of shitcoins incorporating there, but they do that because the legislation is very friendly and tax rates are low. Which is also something I appreciate.

Income potential in Switzerland is high by international standards - It's roughly comparable with secondary US cities, but the quality of life here is much better! I make a low six figure income working as a programmer here. For types of jobs it's mainly big corporate healthcare / finance / mechanical engineering. Although you can also find some cool Bitcoin and freedom tech companies such as Relai or Proton that are based here.

Switzerland has low taxes by OECD standards, although not quite the absolute lowest globally. I pay around 20% income tax and social security combined. There is no capital gains tax, but there is a (very small) wealth tax. You can sell your Bitcoin without incurring any taxes. But you do need to declare how much Bitcoin or other assets you have, as you're taxed on total wealth.

The only real downside I can cite is high cost of living - The largest cities are like San Francisco levels of gentrification. You spend the equivalent of $28 eating lunch out, and $3k/mo renting. It's not so bad if you have a local salary, I still feel like my income goes pretty far. But you're absolutely not remote working or something from here, that's for sure.

However you get what you pay for in Quality of Life. 🤙

Gm

Western world is a write off. South America is too far away from everything. Africa no. Middle East no. Eurasia meh.

So that leaves Asia.

Having been everywhere, I'll stick to Hong Kong for now because of the level of personal/financial/monetary/business freedom, and Thailand as somewhere to escape to a nice beach.

I'm in the same boat.

So far, I remain a resident of EU (though I spend a good chunk of the year in Switzerland), but I feel there's a tipping point. One day, EU will enforce just another seemingly inocuous dystopian law and I'll decide I'm done and just leave.

I've lived in Latam in the past and will probably split my time between Latam and Switzerland.

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Pretty much what I feel too.

Same here

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I just moved into Spain, from a place that sucked more. It's better here, but I have similar concerns. I know it's a temporary solution.

It looks like there can't be a good answer. You either get good quality of life, or freedom, not both. Until some jurisdiction rebuilds itself around sound money separated from the state.

Same... but if I knew the answer I would not be still living in EU right now haha

I am still on the hunt for a country 😓

Best of luck sir!! No easy answers unfortunately. American bitcoiners have roughly the same concerns.

If there is/was a cheap market that had high quality of living and truly was freedom oriented then it wouldn’t stay cheap for long. That’s how people and markets work over time. Even Latam countries friendly to expats have gone up drastically (at least if I just go by the news🤷) in cost in the last decade and local earning potential is comparative low to EU or USA.

Obviously you’re just getting FOMO of going back to the states cause Trump is winning

Same...

feel this big time

"It's not the continent for running a business. It's not the continent for building wealth. It's not the continent for being free and having agency over your life and your finances.

I don't want to leave my valley. But I don't want to be subject to the EU bullshit either."

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been thinking about this a bunch.

Stuck in precisely your conundrum, really not wanting to leave my blissful valley

https://www.aier.org/article/foot-voting-reconsidered-how-should-i-think-about-leaving/

Exactly this. I wouldn't mind moving within Europe, but I don't want to leave Europe.

🖐️ I am in the same boat brother. You said it as it is.

I have a similar feeling but possibly the biggest difference that I was born on this continent.

I personally find the greatest difficulty that my friends and family somehow understand what I mean but I struggle with it because when I deepen the subject they see me as a nutjob😅

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