They actually do
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Hey nostr:nprofile1qqstnem9g6aqv3tw6vqaneftcj06frns56lj9q470gdww228vysz8hqpzdmhxue69uhkzmr8duh82arcduhx7mn9qy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcam28zl where did you get that all vaccine trials use the same (dangerous ) ingredients and not saline?
The actual trials. I’ll get links together when I’m back up here later, I’m off socials mostly because we have a buttload going on and I don’t have anything neatly organized.
Feel free to refresh this if I don’t bring it back in the next couple of days, including some details about the 2014 HPV study linked if I remember names correctly, but I’ll know when I have the time to dig back through.
Lets look at more context while we wait for nostr:nprofile1qqstnem9g6aqv3tw6vqaneftcj06frns56lj9q470gdww228vysz8hqpzdmhxue69uhkzmr8duh82arcduhx7mn9qy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcam28zl.
Most vaccines are compared to saline as a placebo as demonstrated by the examples above, or this trial on a dengue vaccine (doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30682-6.) for another example. This is actually the cheaper and less laborious thing to do. In some situations something else is used (e.g. a different vaccine or the adjuvants). For example, if you want to prove superiority or non-inferiority of a new vaccine it makes sense to compare the new vaccine to an established one. Another reason might be ethical considerations. Is it acceptable to withhold an effective vaccine from half of the study population? Regulatory requirements might be a third reason why it could be necessary to use something else than saline.
As with most things in life, when you look beyond the first superficial outrage and excitement there is a lot more nuance under the surface.
I'm interested in more details from nostr:nprofile1qqstnem9g6aqv3tw6vqaneftcj06frns56lj9q470gdww228vysz8hqpzdmhxue69uhkzmr8duh82arcduhx7mn9qy2hwumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcam28zl .
As an engineer I get triggered when someone uses the word "all" (or "impossible").
If they use "all" and then there are negative examples, then the person is wrong, lying, manipulating, or just being dumbass.
Use that type of speak when you talk to government or lawyers, not to other nostriches.
It’s taking hours to out the entire list together and find all of the sources, but it’s genuinely hard to believe when you put the entire list in one place. The problem is tht even though these are all the actual manufacturers and the FDA as the source, it can’t just be google searched and post the link that comes up like 99% of people who “debate” the topic. You can’t even use Ai to help thanks to how horribly censored it is.
And yes, very unfortunately, the word “all” is actually accurate for everything on the child CDC vaccine schedule. And I’ll have the details on every one of it doesn’t take me the whole week.
I’ve worked for a couple hours over yesterday and Saturday and have most of the list, but some of the sources have been removed from pubmed, but luckily I already saved some it seems and I’m finding the others on clinicaltrials.gov
Looking forward to review the list. I expect you apply "The SCiEnCe" standards you initially cited 😉
Take your time, generations of researchers worked on the issues you are trying to address here.
I’m glad you detailed that testing against another vaccine is explicitly only useful for efficacy, and not safety. And also that saline is clearly the cheaper, easier and more obvious solution.
I want you to remember that when you see the list of licensing trials.
Some things in life don’t turn up the correct answer from a Google search, or “politifact” just turns out to be regurgitating the prevailing opinion. But when you really do the work you end up finding out something that you’d rather not be true.
Really looking forward to seeing what you’ve got 🙏
Wish this wasn’t such a huge amount of work and also really wish I would actually organize shit when I save it 🤦🏻♂️
I have like 5 things back to back plus I have 2 chapters that I MUST record to stay on schedule with my audiobook so unless I feel super into it for some reason and get another hour or 2 before bed to work on this I likely won’t finish today, but I’ll try.
More likely tomorrow or Wednesday for publishing all of it.
