A few days ago I had lunch with nostr:npub1dergggklka99wwrs92yz8wdjs952h2ux2ha2ed598ngwu9w7a6fsh9xzpc and he told me about this awesome idea:

> A relay that rejects long notes.

This morning I woke up thinking about it.

And now it's live.

wss://140.f7z.io

140-character limit. With a pretty strict moderation, so spam should be basically non-existent.

It's also sucking short notes from other relays, so it's global should be pretty useful.

Check it out!

PS: No coincides; I saw this nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 note just now 😂

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(funny enough, this note itself was too long and was rejected) 😂

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*sticks rod in own bicycle wheel meme.jpg*

😂

Glad I didn’t have to highlight that and you did. This needs to be worked on because let’s face it - a post over 140 characters doesn’t make it “spam.” I thought it (your post) was semi informative and important (fine and nothing wrong), but was restricted because of a character limit.

lol.

It’s not about spam! Of course a > 140 character doesn’t make it spam!

Bravo though, we like options and diversity. 👍

😄

😅

So you understand what is long and what is short. 🫂

Won't that be weird since you can get sub-140 reply notes but the root over-140 note won't load?

Good point

"keep nostr weird"

How awesome! A character count feature on Clients, to be certain my messages are within limit and wont be rejected by these relay types, would be useful.

Joined!

Thank you for highlighter.

Does that include tagged npub's etc? If not, you cross that limit very very easily 😉

Just say "pablo" or "fiatjaf" it's only 20 people and everyone reads everything anyway

Hmm, good point. It would include the npub; I'll change that.

This reply looks out of context, wrong “e” tag it seems?

I like this! Thank you !

Moderation for the goods of freedom

What about kind 0 and kind 10002? It could be a problem to fetch author metadata…

Is Madeira inspiring these ideas?

How does he eat through the pillow cases and greensuits?

he feeds on his own bullishness

This is cool, now we need clients enforcing the 140 chars and allowing threads 😎

Your post is attracting a lot of attention.

Added to the https://nostraco.in/hot feed

In. 🤙🏼

I love this idea but also think it’s going to be completely unusable in practice. 😂

Dope!

Awesome! Would be great to see these errors surfaced in more clients.

Would this include the characters of an image URL?

Yes, but maybe it shouldn’t like I did for npub/note/nevents.

How did Twitter handle this? Did URLs factor in into the 140 limit?

URLs might have like if you linked to a webpage, but I don’t think images did.

Especially images shouldn't count I guess 🤔

True. I’ll change it.

And the memers rejoice 😂🫂

Are emojis each counted as one character?

Yup

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Fixed it, bad at math I guess

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Nevermind I had it right the first time. What is wrong with me.. too much carpentry I was thinking 144.

Does the phrase “so fucking bullshit” count as one character? 😂😂 jk

It counts as -10 characters 😂

Yes URL characters counted, which is the primary reason why URL shortening services appeared right after Twitter did.

What's the best way to use specific and special case relays like this?

Most apps have a global, by following and some a few other filters.

Is there a simple way I'm missing to just go "today I wanna see just the 140char posts" or "now let's go check out that relay that only accepts cat pics"?

Using Amethyst, Snort and Iris normally fwiw

We came up with the concepts of relay sets months ago but they haven’t received much love.

The UX could be similar to that of using Discord. One click and you can change everything except your keys and mix and match your content/identity/follow list as you wish.

This is largely unexplored but I’ve experimented in the old version of Highlighter and it’s a very amazing and powerful experience.

😍

We still don't have a streamlined nice way to browse relays, or do we?

No. Incredibly this is still not done.

Someone is coming to nostr:npub1s0veng2gvfwr62acrxhnqexq76sj6ldg3a5t935jy8e6w3shr5vsnwrmq5 that I hope might push the boundaries of this

I don't believe that 140 characters can effectively restrict spam messages. The issue with spam messages lies not in their length but in their enormous quantity and frequent occurrence. If I were to send a hundred messages to every person in the Nostr network using a thousand accounts within a second, even if these messages were only 140 characters long, they would still be spam messages. The 140-character limit can foster a short message social media culture similar to Twitter, but it cannot prevent abuse of the messaging system.

How will you know if it was rejected?

Your client might tell you. Snort and nostrudel tell you

Love nostr love btc, but being honest I no nothing about relays. Can anyone point me to a helpful resource to educate myself? Thanks!

Good idea!

Though, 280 may be better?

I think 280 characters was a mistake.

Twitter with 140 felt better.

I'll settle for 220.

Is this a negotiation?

210 obviously.

140 on Twitter was like ppl were just barking out summaries and condensed thought fragments for maximum effect, which was often

“ I am so offended, need to engage more” .

140 was in my opinion a Buiz Model around engagement farming.

Didn't appeal to me, but was successful.

But if you areeasily distracted and talk in memes only, 140 is enough. Hö.

There aren't proper threads here, maybe on other clients ?

I would give 280 a try.

Enough for form follows function.

Stay tuned: 140 🤙 notes coming soon to a client near you.

When will boys get it? We care more about the content of the character than the size!

Thisss! 💯💯💯 😍😍♥️ I totally agree, I love long and short life update posts. Recipes and podcast information. Not huge on dev stuff all the time. A mixture is good too but to be able to filter it would be amazing 😍🔥. Size doesn’t always matter.

It’s really all about the motion in the ocean.

I just tried wss://140.f7z.io and it works very well.

I used one of my other npubs so I wouldn't upset anything relay wise for this npub.

All I am seeing are very short notes on the test npub now.

nostr:note1z67crw6skyufrtp02acazre54y56v0qv58ms6uplkd240wdxzrpq2mj779

I just tried wss://140.f7z.io and it works very well.

I used one of my other npubs so I wouldn't upset anything relay wise for this npub.

All I am seeing are very short notes on the test npub now.

nostr:note1z67crw6skyufrtp02acazre54y56v0qv58ms6uplkd240wdxzrpq2mj779

Added!

Hey pepe, can you please guide me to on how to write a NIP? My write-filter is gonna make heads explode but i can't do it by myself.

this note has far more than 140 characters! 😛

Yup. It’s not available on this relay 😅

Seeing posts on this relay from people who aren’t connected to the relay. I click on their profile and I check their relays and it’s not there. Maybe it’s nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 . I’m just filtering the global feed by relay.

It ingests notes that satisfy the conditional from a few other relays

210 👀

Sleepcoding is the new sleepwalking

Does the character limit applies to media urls too?

this literally twitter with moderation.

I made wss://140.f7z.io the default relay for cafe-society.news nostr global page. https://github.com/colealbon/cafe-society.news/commit/5900de7490997f4ba5e519a3b8a43a4981a6f5fb

Me too. Its the only way to fly. I wish clients would complement with a character counter so I know if I am being filtered. nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z

Are links included in the limit?

It was the character limit and tweetdeck for me

Now we need clients to add a character count when typing so you know if you're short posting or not. 😉

We need more dictatorship on relay. Thats good for nostr. Please continue.

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Cool idea. I may use this to test a DVM for sentence embeddings.

Related idea for improvement: could it be possible to make the character limit recursive? I.e. the events in the e tag must also satisfy the character limit. That way it prevents people from quoting an entire essay