For anyone confused about the insane rhetoric of the @EU deciding to confiscating personal savings "for investment."

Understand, personal savings IS investment in the peoples' futures. What they are doing is bleeding the life out of your future so they can wage war.

Your future will be harder, your pay will feel insignificant, quality food will be too expensive, and your trajectory for retirement will look bleak or impossible... and it'll be *precisely* because of this.

They are sacrificing your prosperity at the alter of big govt, bigger corporations, & infinite war.

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Always thought having an EU passport gave me a solid backup plan for retirement. Figured I’d head back one day. But looking at the madness coming out of Brussels and the way things are going over there… even Canada is starting to seem like the lesser evil. Wild times.

The idea that savings isn't a use is the ultimate fiat mentality. Incredibly I've seen people in bitcoin circles complaining about hodlers too, the ones pushing for tail emissions or some similar idiotic idea.

Quick way to increase bitcoin adoption in Europe.

It’s horrible what they’re doing, but I believe EU citizens will take solace in knowing that their countries are more ethnically diverse than ever, and all manner of sexual perversions are not just tolerated, but celebrated. Of course that won’t put food on their tables or restore their lost savings— but as they suffer, they’ll be smiling, knowing that they avoided the ā€œright wing extremismā€ of sovereign money, merit-based job advancement, and individual liberties. I really admire them for that and you should too. Show the world how it’s done, EU. We’re rooting for you!

If Europe had it all to lead in competitiveness race why it lost, Ursula? Who was on the lead in EU, Ursula? Who was in charge of Bundeswehr just before being kick up to EU Commission? Who was that, Ursula? Who had left Bundeswehr in absolute collapse, Ursula?

Now tell me what competences has that person had to make any decisions on level higher than toilet floor? Ursula? Are you there?

Senator Palpatine and Darth Vader had an interesting gender transition, but were extremely effective when they turned an economic union into a military empire. The Jedi stayed humble, and waited for the right moment to mobilise.

It's not savings if someone else can spend it.

ā€œA penny saved, is a penny earnedā€ - Ursula von der Leyen

Absolute insanity that citizens are allowing this??

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Citizens are cluless šŸ™„

Why do they need to directly steal savings? Did they forget how to use their central bank?

It’ll probably be some ā€œindirect wayā€ to not make it seem like it’s stolen from the individual perspective. They will probably ā€œmergeā€ or ā€œpartnerā€ with large financial institutions to ā€œinvest the reserved funds.ā€ From the user account it will look like it’s still there, then they’ll bail out the institution in 10 years when withdraws get to the point that people realize none of the money was there.

It’s a way to steal money today and pay for it tomorrow. At least this is my bet.

To me it sounds like they are going to ā€œborrow fundsā€ based on peoples savings in the banks. Using private savings as the collateral for the new funds.

A kind of reverse borrowing. The nations will borrow against past labour vs borrowing against future output.

I like that they are going to double down their fractional reserve system. This is gonna be wild.

Sounds like a fracrional reserve loan. So businesse as usual it seems!

Always is. Just like how the population was made to feel guilty, ashamed, if they didn’t get vaccinated because they were putting others at ā€œriskā€. Which we all now know was one big LIE

I love the golden girls. That was a great show.

I assume this is stipulating to banks how customer savings must be deployed - rather than confiscation.

I’m sure that’s how it’ll be implemented but it’s the same thing.

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Agreed. To a large degree they do this already?

This tyranny is brought upon the citizens by them voting for these people. What are the citizens thinking? All the more important that America goes in the opposite direction. We're getting rid of big gov't.

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Sounds like they are trying to allow financial institutions to use bank balances for investments. That would be very risky and similar to what FTX did.

No that’s not what they’re doing. You will/would need to move your savings to a specific investment fund/account voluntarily.

Got the source on deets for this? They didn’t link to anything.

Deep research from ChatGPT:

European Commission’s Savings and Investments Union: How Contributions Work

The European Commission’s Savings and Investments Union (SIU) is a strategy to channel more household savings into productive investments. Crucially, it does not compel anyone to hand over their money or have banks automatically siphon funds from personal accounts. Instead, the SIU focuses on voluntary participation through new savings and investment products, supported by incentives and convenient options ļæ¼ ļæ¼. In other words, individuals won’t see their bank redirect deposits into an EU fund by default – you either choose to contribute or are enrolled with the option to opt out.

Voluntary Contributions, Not Automatic Deductions

• Opt-In Investment Products: The Commission’s plan is to ā€œpromote low-cost saving and investment products at EU level for retail investorsā€ ļæ¼. This means creating easy, attractive ways for people to invest if they actively choose. For example, a person might open a new EU-wide savings/investment account or buy into a fund – but only if they opt in. There is no rule forcing you to transfer money; it’s about offering better opportunities and incentives for those who want to invest ļæ¼.

• No Automatic Bank Redirects: Banks will not automatically divert your existing savings into an SIU fund without your consent. The initiative aims to ā€œincrease returns on savingsā€ by giving citizens more investment options ļæ¼, but any movement of your money would require your involvement. In practice, contributions would happen via voluntary actions – for instance, setting up a recurring transfer into an investment fund or pension. Even industry proposals for the SIU emphasize ā€œprogrammed monthly contributionsā€ and default investment options as low-barrier solutions, but ā€œwithout compromisingā€ individuals’ freedom of choice ļæ¼. In short, nothing will be taken from your account or ā€œredirectedā€ by your bank unless you sign up for it.

• Dedicated Funds Are Voluntary: If the SIU leads to creation of any ā€œdedicatedā€ EU savings or investment fund, contributing to it would be entirely voluntary. The Commission’s approach is to empower citizens to invest, not to mandate contributions. For example, stakeholders have floated ideas like a European Savings and Investment Account or an EU-wide retirement plan, but these would function like optional accounts individuals can deposit into (potentially with tax breaks or other incentives), not a government-imposed levy ļæ¼ ļæ¼. The goal is to encourage more people to invest by making it easy and beneficial, rather than to require automatic payments.

Auto-Enrolment vs. Opt-In Participation

While participation in SIU-related products is fundamentally opt-in, EU policymakers are considering auto-enrolment mechanisms in certain contexts – especially for retirement savings – as a way to boost participation. Auto-enrolment means you are signed up by default but can choose to opt out. Importantly, auto-enrolment is not the same as a compulsory deduction:

• Auto-Enrolment in Pensions: The Commission has signaled support for automatic enrollment in workplace pension schemes (similar to the UK’s system) as a best practice to get more people saving for retirement ļæ¼ ļæ¼. In an auto-enrolment system, contributions (e.g. via payroll deduction) start automatically when you get a job, unless you actively opt out. This approach is ā€œwidely recognized as one of the most effective mechanisms to boost pension participationā€ and is ā€œactively promoted by the European Unionā€ ļæ¼. Even so, it remains voluntary in outcome – every individual retains the right to opt out or stop contributions at any time ļæ¼. The Commission plans to recommend auto-enrolment for pensions by Q3 2025 (along with improving personal pension products like the PEPP) to encourage saving, not to force anyone’s hand ļæ¼.

• Freedom to Opt Out: In countries that use auto-enrolment, people can leave the scheme whenever they want. As one analysis notes, ā€œin Member States with automatic enrollment schemes, individuals may opt out at willā€ ļæ¼. This principle would apply to any EU-endorsed auto-enrolment under the SIU. So if, for example, your employer enrolls you in a new EU-wide savings plan by default, you would have the clear ability to say ā€œno thanksā€ and stop those contributions. The choice ultimately remains with the individual, ensuring participation is not truly automatic without consent.

Bottom Line: Participation is Opt-In or Opt-Out, Not Mandatory

Official EU communications and policy proposals confirm that the SIU will rely on voluntary participation, aided by smart defaults and incentives – never automatic confiscation of savings. The Commission’s own description highlights giving everyone ā€œthe right opportunityā€ to invest under the SIU, implying an enabling role rather than an obligatory one ļæ¼. There is no requirement for individuals to manually transfer money into a fund unless they decide to participate. Likewise, financial institutions won’t be automatically deducting money for an SIU fund without your agreement.

In practice, if the SIU leads to new EU-backed savings products, you will likely see opt-in accounts or plans offered by banks, insurers, or employers. You might be invited or default-enrolled to contribute, but you will always have the option not to. Any contribution – whether a one-time transfer or a monthly deposit – will happen because you chose to join the scheme (or chose not to opt out). The overarching aim is to *ā€œturn savers…into investorsā€ by making it easier and more rewarding, not by any mandate ļæ¼.

In summary, participation in the Savings and Investments Union initiative is voluntary and driven by individual choice. You won’t be enrolled in a dedicated fund unless you opt in (actively or by not opting out), and contributions will be made by you or on your behalf with your consent, not automatically taken by your bank. The SIU’s role is to set up the framework and incentives so that if you do want to invest some of your savings, it’s simple and beneficial to do so ļæ¼ ļæ¼ – but the decision remains yours.

Sources:

• European Commission – Work Programme 2025 (Competitiveness): Announcement of an SIU strategy to promote low-cost savings/investment products for citizens ļæ¼.

• Deutsche Bƶrse (industry proposal) – Emphasizes voluntary features (e.g. monthly contributions and auto-enrolment options as nudges) ā€œwithout compromising…self-discretionā€ of savers ļæ¼.

• Investment Company Institute (ICI) – Notes that in auto-enrolment schemes individuals retain the right to opt out at any time; auto-enroll is a nudge, not a mandate ļæ¼.

• PensionsEurope – Highlights that auto-enrolment (with opt-outs) is encouraged by the EU to increase participation in pensions, whereas purely voluntary (opt-in) systems often see low uptake ļæ¼. This illustrates the opt-in/opt-out approach the SIU is expected to take, rather than any automatic deductions.

Sources:

• European Commission – Work Programme 2025 (Competitiveness): Announcement of an SIU strategy to promote low-cost savings/investment products for citizens ļæ¼.

• Deutsche Bƶrse (industry proposal) – Emphasizes voluntary features (e.g. monthly contributions and auto-enrolment options as nudges) ā€œwithout compromising…self-discretionā€ of savers ļæ¼.

• Investment Company Institute (ICI) – Notes that in auto-enrolment schemes individuals retain the right to opt out at any time; auto-enroll is a nudge, not a mandate ļæ¼.

• PensionsEurope – Highlights that auto-enrolment (with opt-outs) is encouraged by the EU to increase participation in pensions, whereas purely voluntary (opt-in) systems often see low uptake ļæ¼. This illustrates the opt-in/opt-out approach the SIU is expected to take, rather than any automatic deductions.

Appreciate it. I forget that I can get a bunch of sources by directly asking Ai.

This is what I kind of suspected might be how they do it. And this is probably the best way for them to screw the poor and middle class quietly without anyone realizing it’s happening:

ā€œAuto-Enrolment in Pensions: The Commission has signaled support for automatic enrollment in workplace pension schemes (similar to the UK’s system) as a best practice to get more people saving for retirement . In an auto-enrolment system, contributions (e.g. via payroll deduction) start automatically when you get a job, unless you actively opt out. This approach is ā€œwidely recognized as one of the most effective mechanisms to boost pension participationā€ and is ā€œactively promoted by the European Unionā€ . Even so, it remains voluntary in outcome – every individual retains the right to opt out or stop contributions at any time.ā€

They are forever chaining everything to peoples jobs, default insurance, default pensions, default investments, default everything And it all is built to filter capital away from citizens and to them without people realizing it.

Yes, I read up on it and my post is completely wrong. Thanks for fact checking me!

you didnt actually read the proposal did you?

Drop a link if you have details. They didn’t post one.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM:2020:590:FIN

a lot of BS political bullshit fluff (if this is the same as they were referring to in the tweet)… besides adding even more friction in order to reduce friction (politicians playing engineers) they want to encourage people to invest in EU stock instead of Nvidia… or something. or am i missing something?

Thanks for the link. Ill look at specifics in a bit

I read the recommendations and evidence from their partners. It is dark as fuck.

Lmao. Chill. They just dilute you which is why sats > euros. Property rights cannot just be evaded by a bitch in a suit.

Just hodl.

fucking cunt

Oh come on!!!!!

In what world is the EU going to confiscating personal savings?!? This talk is classic attempts to try to increase engagement with false attention grabbing headlines.

The proposal is to offer people simple and tax advantaged investments as an option for them to put their money. Targeted of course to areas that they deem warrant additional capital.

Let’s get better at being factual.

Happy to dig into details on this if you have them, but I bet it’s just a fancy cover for going deeply leveraged against customer balances, which is the same thing. Could be wrong, but any plan that acts like it’s conjuring money is probably just a scheme to use someone else’s without it looking that way.

Would be pleased to be wrong though, a source with specifics would be welcomed.

https://www.dai.de/fileadmin/user_upload/250305_Position_Pap er_SIU_Aktieninstitut_final.pdf

Don’t trust, verify. 😊

Thank you

That's right, they will dump all this money on future generations mainly through inflation. This madness of rearmament must be stopped at all costs! These damn warmongers are sending us to crash into a wall

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This is such a dystopian take. I mean, why would you assume these people are always villains?? I don’t know the details, but given that these people are all boomers, they probably think primarily about the mentality that boomers uphold. Thus, it makes sense that they are probably thinking more about affluent people (boomers) and how to get them from a hoarding mentality to a ā€investing in the futureā€ mentality. Ie rearranging already existing fiscal, legal and financial systems to enable more unlocking of savings — this doesnt need to mean they will outright ā€grabā€ the money from peoples savings.

Even if they have the best of intentions (they don’t), governments have proven to be terrible capital allocators.

Plus the second a government stops adhering to personal property rights of their citizenry, all bets are off. Seems pretty dystopian.

While true that they are terrible capital allocators, you cannot deny the fact that they are presently in control of all tax, which includes everything from capital gains tax rates to deductions and property taxes etc. Wheather we like that or not is irrelevant, it is a fact. The ā€personal property rightsā€ you claim exist are already severely limited as it is. This is why it is quite a leap to call these moves dystopian — it is more an issue of working within already existing structures by re-evaluating tax rates and adapting incentives to nudge investments in other directions.

I think the reality of this is far, far simpler and far more obviously self serving than ā€œbeing helpfulā€:

They live entirely in the bottom left corner of the give-a-shit matrix, they need more money for war and all their ā€œgrand plans,ā€ they’ve already squandered everything they get, they need another way to siphon money from the people to them.

Thats it, that’s all this is, and it’s naive and ignores the evidence to believe it’s anything but exactly that. They will have a plan (whether it ends up being this or not) to default allocate pensions and investment funds from employers or retirements or whatever else, into their pockets, which will get loaned against at interest rates good for *them,* not the saver, and then they will spend it all and IOUs who’s loss of value continues to accelerate will sit in the actually empty accounts of everyone hoping to retire one day.

The entire thing is a scam, everything they do is the same, and this is more of the same. They take, they waste, they kill some people, we pay.

You may of course turn out to be right, time will tell. All I’m saying is that I know that most people in governmental positions genuinly believe in the system they run. Most people in Brussels and elsewhere truly believe in democracy, the political system and the value of having a government and so on. Of course they are self serving to some extent (as all people are), but typically they think their ā€grand plansā€ are truly for the greater good. Is there some elements of corruption, or indirect corruption? Probably. Is the entire government corrupt? No. One could even ask if corruption in general truly is the issue here? Or is the issue more about the fact that the entire system itself is dysfunctional long term? Personally I don’t believe in the dystopian narrative, it appears less speculative to assume that we are witnessing a system that is slowly just tearing itself apart over time by its systemic inertia, rather than framing it as a case of villains vs people.

They can try, but might be a bigger catalyst than an SBR.

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