Nostr Web Client

There’s a debate raging over in the Bluesky world about whether or not infrastructure providers on ATprotocol should be neutral carriers or if people running things like PDS servers should be able to choose who they host.

It’s an interesting read and worth thinking about. From a Nostr perspective it’s like arguing for a custodial system then being upset at the power dynamics that exist because of that.

I’m curious what folks think. I think the poster kicked a hornets nest, not understanding how communities of users react to being told what they should or shouldn’t do with their own servers.

Thoughts?

https://gist.github.com/burningtree/d4aa172470293bdf2939c993cf48bbd4

tree 木 1mo ago

Thanks Rabble!

I kicked that nest little on purpose. I was on atproto very early, among the first 40k people - and I chose atproto over Nostr because I thought it was a technology with greater scaling potential (not perfect, but which can bring freedom to more people). I saw atproto as the opposite approach to nostr, but converging to a very similar destination point.

But the mood of the last few months clearly anticipated how wrong I was, that it had become just a decentralization theater. My assumption that the community would move towards decentralization was completely wrong and naive.

The rage that has now finally confirmed my suspicions and given me the strength to leave and build something more meaningful. So i'm here :)

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nout 1mo ago

Don't forget to set up your lightning address, so you can get sats for your posts.

I think this community is very much aligned with you on providing neutral infra and then solving personal experience at the higher layers.

tree 木 1mo ago

Thank you! :)

Gramajo 1mo ago

ROFL my first thought reading this was “I wonder if the user was tree” 🤣

They were going ham on you. Sad to see you leave it cuz it was good to see different takes but glad you’re on here maybe Farcaster?

tree 木 1mo ago

Haha, ahoy! :)

b81776c3... 1mo ago

I believe Farcaster is pivoting away from social to a wallet?

Gramajo 1mo ago

Yeah about 60 days ago there was some small comms about it so not surprising. Don’t think that means it’s dying imo. Would be like primal doubling down on their wallet expansion for a bit vs protocol enhancements. But time will tell

b81776c3... 3w ago

Yah, time's like that.

𝐒𝐧@𝐱 1mo ago

Emailed you earlier today. Good to see you here!

Set up your lightning address so we can zap you for some appreciation!

𝐒𝐧@𝐱 1mo ago

Emailed you earlier today. Good to see you here!

Set up your lightning address so we can zap you for some appreciation!

𝐒𝐧@𝐱 1mo ago

Emailed you earlier today. Good to see you here!

Set up your lightning address so we can zap you for some appreciation!

Globe99 1mo ago

Welcome! it's an oddball little community here, lots of talk about Bitcoin and Red meat... but there are good folks and it's generally a good hang.

But cultural dynamics exist here too, and I can sort of see the same thing where Devs wind up being community leaders, for better or worse.

One thing I've been trying to harp on is better links to Mastodon. To me, Nostr's probably going to be too "weird and bitcoin-y" for the masses at the moment, but Mastodon is the place that can serve as a sort of refuge for both individuals and institutions that are getting "Enshittified" out of legacy platforms.

𝐒𝐧@𝐱 1mo ago

Emailed you earlier today because I figured you’d like Nostr. Good to see you here!

Set up your lightning address so we can zap you for some appreciation!

Stuart Bowman 1mo ago

Hello and welcome!

elsat 1mo ago

Glad you made your way here. Looking forward to what you build

daniele 1mo ago

Welcome!

Do you mind writing a long form about Bluesky vs Nostr from your own specific perspective? It would be really interesting!

tree 木 1mo ago

Hi! That's a good idea... ! But I need to research more how Nostr has changed in the last few months, new NIPs and tools like frostr ... but then I'll be happy to write

sachin 1mo ago

I'll drop some links here that can help you with your research.

For an overview of the Nostr ecosystem:

https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr

The following two links can help while checking out NIPs:

https://nostr-nips.com/

https://nostrhub.io/

For tools (clients):

https://nostrapps.com/

Also, for a list of 'big tech' alternatives on Nostr, check this out (click on each logo to reveal the respective competing clients):

https://noalt.app/

Eric FJ 🪬⚡️ 1mo ago

Don’t forget https://nostrbook.dev especially if you are leveraging LLMs

daniele 1mo ago

Great, thank you.

Fell free to ask if you need some guidance.

hodlbod 1mo ago

Take a look at my book for a more philosphical take, https://building-nostr.coracle.social

ben 1mo ago

I don’t know if you do need to review newer nips. the foundational architecture has no changed. users hold keys, sign notes, and publish them to many relays. censorship resistance is at the relay level. there is no global moderation system like you ran into. if that happened on nostr youd have been banned by two relays but could easily broadcast to dozens more.

nout 0mo ago

Outbox model is sort of new and it is now deployed in some clients. Architecturally that changes things...