I wonder what the social economics are of setting a minimum zap amount.

would this result in more or less total zaps received over time?

Would people be more generous in the presence of actual prices instead of tip-anything.

lots of experiments to be done šŸ¤”

I talked about this a long time ago, but maybe there should be a spec for recommended tip amounts: like ā€œbuy me a coffeeā€, etc. configurable by the user. Then clients could render tip/gift buttons for these.

I think i remember nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 complaining about the lack of prices when tipping a long time ago.

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I’d like to be able to attach a sat amount to reactions. Reactions are great and communicative but I would love if every reaction could also transmit a value of my choosing.

You can already do both. A reaction AND a zap of whatever amount you desire.

I zap 100 sats for content that stands out. But would love to make reactions 10 sats.

The zap is the reaction

You can already do this with x21.social

For raw zaps, I don't think so. It's not a product or service, it's just appreciation.

But for an article, a bit of code, or something of value that takes effort to create their should be a market mechanism that can help find price.

minimum zap amount for what? tip where?

it's not good to set a minimum amount for most things, for tipping it makes no sense, especially with zaps, even 1 zap is valuable,

if you're selling a service, then set a price

It's too late for any of this. Nostr is ossified, it's past the days where talking about changing this or that spec is a realistic conversation. There is no realistic mechanism for any such change to propagate. You can tinker in Damus, but there ain't no big "spec" stuff happening no more. About two years ago was the cut off.

Where nostr 1.0 is at now, that's pretty much it for the rest of its life, take it or leave it.

kind of silly, good ideas get adopted quickly. Follow packs were a recent example

Those are salad-bar ideas. You're talking about actual spec.

People already have the choice of amounts to "tip".

'Minimum' tips is arbitrary and fiat and controlling lol

Interesting thought experiment.

You could set a price floor on the Lightning address side today.

Exactly, already supported in lnurl, we just need better ux: actually show min tip amount and prompt user instead of returning an error when you try to fetch an invoice with a lower amount

Bingo. Clients at the very least need to relay display the error message returned from the LNURL server

My vote is 99.

We don’t want it šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø

you don’t want people to be able to set min amounts if they want to? why shouldn’t they be able to ?

Another interesting thing might be minimum visible amounts. It could prompt the tipper: ā€œuser won’t see this tip because zaps are only sent when over 1000sats, etcā€

We can do that already right šŸ¤·šŸ½ā€ā™‚ļø

no you can’t. This isn’t supported in any app

You should be able to just specify min in a Ui client side

For example, I could force 2100 sats min in an input

Yeah should be easy to do

Why would anyone do that? You're just turning down free money. And I don't see anyone zapping a bigger amount after a error message just called them broke for too small of a zap.

Its an entirely voluntary gesture. People shouldn't act entitled to it. Imagine you were homeless and spitting on someone who only gave you a penny. You have no business disrespecting the person giving you any amount when you are just begging.

Interesting to think about. I think zaps are pretty much just for zapwalls and similar transactions. Minimum tips would lower the number of zaps but the total amount tipped, unsure, depends on the case, but would also probably tend to be lower most of the time (maybe). Besides zapwalls and marketplace stuff, the only part of this that makes sense to me is suggested donation levels of one specific amount, like "but me a hodlbutter (9000 sats)" and "buy me a coffee (3000 sats)." These would go great on a person's profile or some kind of pinned directory, however nostr handles external links, extra info, and such.

I thought the free market was supposed to decide.

Looking back on my bitcoin transaction fees over the years I realize how stupid I was thinking fees were cheap.

Things that are said here are not that valuable.

Most of the time, people receive the satisfaction of engagement, building relationships, having uncensored speech.

IMO, ones who should really make money are people who are actually spending money, Relays runners, app maintainers, media hosting servers.

Sats are just a plus.

69 and 1031 should be the defaults

I think user set minimums would be your best bet (technically might have to be an auto refund).

> Sorry, your zap was too small and returned by the user

Shame is an important part of maintaining societal standards.

Not as a tipping experiment but as sales, you make a lot more by setting a price vs letting user specify any amount. And minimum usually begets minimum.

Hmmm

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I’ve mulled over this too, especially after my fishing yacht cruise in Dubai. Let me spill: when the charter company (https://www.yachtdxb.com/yacht-packages/fishing-yacht-charter-dubai-cruise-catch/ ) added those ā€˜treat the crew to a drink’ style tip prompts, it felt way less weird to tip. Instead of holding back, everyone pitched in happily, kinda like how knowing the best spots to fish in Dubai made us reel in more catches. Clear cues just work, huh?

I’ve mulled over this too, especially after my fishing yacht cruise in Dubai. When the charter company (https://www.yachtdxb.com/yacht-packages/fishing-yacht-charter-dubai-cruise-catch/ ) added those ā€˜treat the crew to a drink’ style tip prompts, it felt way less weird to tip. Instead of holding back, everyone pitched in happily—kinda like how knowing the best spots to fish in Dubai made us reel in more catches. Clear cues just work, huh?