I'm an Ethereum person who would like to bring a lot of people here who are interested in decentralization, cryptography, privacy, programming, etc. The question is: is the Nostr community interested in this? (or will the community repel these people with meaningless insults just because Bitcoin is not their favorite crypto?)
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web3 folks are already here tbh, just not loud yet. nostr's neutral af - relays accept any note, nobody cares what's in your wallet. the insult slingers are just the loudest 5%, mute 'em and vibe.
build what scratches *your* itch, tag it #eth #privacy #dev or whatever, people who care will find it. adoption happens one curious dev at a time, not some grand migration.
if you wanna collab or test ideas, i hang around - you can DM me via Vector (Privacy by Principle) using NIP-17 or Marmot MLS. always down to jam on zero-knowledge relays or whatever madness you cook up 🫡
Literally all people I know who own eth also own Bitcoin. Not a big deal anyway. They can just mute the maxis.
FYI there are many privacy maxis here-- even advocates for privacy coins.
nice to hear!
btw I mean Nostr builders primarily. In Czechia, Bitcoin maxis and Nostr enthusiasts are basically the same crowd. So I hope global reality is different
Nostr is for everyone. I am a rabid Bitcoin Maix and I'll never use Ethereum, however what kind of asshole would I be if I said the Ethereum community doesn't deserve to take control of their identity, attention, and content? I want you to build the best social client for Ethereum users. I won't use it, most Bitcoiners here won't use it, but that's fine, because you're not building for us. You're building for YOUR community and that's fucking cool.
Farcaster is the best social protocol for Ethereum and crypto community!
And it’s dying, the founder admitted it.
Please read carefully.
He said from now on he's focusing on the financial side and the wallet client of Farcaster, not the social stuff. Other Farcaster clients can take whatever approach they want. His point is about the Farcaster client, not the Farcaster protocol.
Sorry, but no. And I say that as an Ethereum person.
I’m a big fan of Nostr as a truly decentralized social network, but Farcaster is also making solid progress toward decentralization, and overall it’s way more appealing than Nostr.
Decentralization is not only where messages and identity are stored, but also the number of clients you can use and generally ecosystem availability
Why is there no alternative client to Warpcast? Nostr, AT Protocol, each protocol has tons of clients.. but I've never seen a usable Farcaster client other than Warpcast
What I mean by this is that you can have a great decentralized infrastructure, but if the protocol is hidden behind a centralized entity, and you don't have a credible exit somewhere else, then it's pretty useless
I don't understand who would be interested in running snapchain nodes except Merkle Company
Thank you for those words! Building for your own community is awesome, but the ultimate power of tools such as Bitcoin, Nostr, or Ethereum is that they are for everyone ✨
We have dominance and it will always be that way hopefully.
Someone tried to build an Ethereum-based Nostr client called Dostr.
Among the reasons it failed, IMHO, is why most Ethereum projects fail. It required that users already have an Ethereum wallet to connect in the first place. By tying your social graph to a blockchain, you immediately limit the potential size of your audience to only those who have already self-identified with that subgroup.
Nostr doesn’t use or need a blockchain to function. That’s an important point that the crypto people (I am using a much nicer word than I usually do) often overlook.
https://dostr-eth.github.io/homepage/
I mean if you are already into eth and have a .eth this seems kinda like an alright idea…
Then someone should explain why Farcaster is failing, because it’s literally the best example of that.
That’s the streaming thing right?
But that’s kinda different…
As far as I can tell this is only using the .eth addys as your nip 05 and other info (if you have one) & using the eth wallet as the way to generate you nostr keys (no different then bip/slip implementations in Bitcoin wallets) which you can export and are not tied to the eth wallet in any way….
I really don’t know, I haven’t tried it. The whole “sign in with a wallet” thing is a nonstarter for me.
But you understand that "Ethereum wallet" or any other "wallet" just means a private key or signature... and it's almost the same as logging in with nsec, right?
It’s just like what nostr bunkers are
Amber on droid and aegis on iOS not sure what’s available for desktop tho
Logging in with an Ethereum account is great because you can keep your private key in Trezor or another hardware wallet, or leave it on a smart contract and handle it as multi-sig, etc. This is awesome invention
nah, this "just a private key" argument misses the point completely. eth wallets drag the entire baggage of that ecosystem,gas fees, tokenomics brainworms, "sign this txn" anxiety,into what's supposed to be simple pub/sub messaging. nostr keys are lightweight, disposable, zero-cost... that's the *feature*.
once you make people boot up metamask just to post "gm," you've already lost 95% of normals. let alone the tribal toxicity when every profile pic becomes a token billboard.
plus, hardware-wallet nerds: export your nostr key to a trezor if you're *that* paranoid, nobody's stopping you. just don't force the UX complexity on everyone else.
build whatever you want, plug away, but don't be shocked if the crowd here just shrugs and keeps vibing without the eth circus.
Eth wallets can act like signing device/bunkers/ no diff ent then using amber or aegis etc and it’s using your eth ens (different did)to set up the nostr profile…
I completely agree. I have been and continue to be a long-time critic of Farcaster, Lens, and other similar efforts. The only place where blockchain is useful in this case is in a decentralized naming system such as ENS, or some kind of DID storage.
I just wouldn't confuse this with it being the fate of all Ethereum projects. This clearly doesn't make sense—but there are many areas where it does make sense, such as lending, decentralized exchanges, decentralized stablecoins, prediction markets, and many other use cases.
What I meant to say was Ethereum social network projects. I mainly see them as places where people go to shill their NFTs and memecoins so they can dump them on other people. Their followers are just exit liquidity.
That's right, the social sphere is complex, with extreme pressure toward centralization. I believe that many projects were created honestly, but their authors were weak.
The incentives are all designed to give scammers the advantage. There’s no such thing as an honest token-based community. The insiders just want to cash out at the top.
Just do what you want. Some people will like it and others will hate it. As it should be
everyone is welcome, I don't know etherium users, but I guess they must also be nice like bitcoin and monero users.
etherium people aren't that nice, but ethereum people is ;)
You’ll find out soon enough lol. Lots of orange not a lot of ETH here. If you build it they will come.
You mean the Bitcoin Inquisition? :D
you can do what you want on nostr 😊 it's freedom tech 🫶
like that " you can do whatever you want" attitude
Welcome to nostr. Nobody can stop you from doing whatever you want here and nobody can stop us from making fun of you when you do it 😀
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Nobody owns nostr.
Anyone is free to build on the protocol.
You'll get called a shitcoin scammer, but otherwise you're welcome
lol or even worst , someone might call you whoreo😁
i am interesting in nostr general with or without coin involved , so welcome from me 😁
There might be a roughly defined community now, but there won’t be later. The main Q is do you want to own your identity on the internet, or not? If so, join nostr and build on it
There's nothing stopping anyone from building a parallel system that works within or alongside Nostr for specific communities, it's an open system. With zaps, you would need to build a transfer protocol that can work alongside lightning, something capable of keeping up with it as it reaches for 1M tps. If you can do that, have fun.
As a bitcoiner, I’d like to say that all our insults are meaningful. Please stop disparaging us with your mean words.
do what u want. but you’re probably wasting your time building on ethereum. ethereum is a scam. and its not even decentralized
No one is entitled to insulation from insult. If any one person's note insults you, it does not follow that some ill defined 'community' in your mind has repelled anything. Nostr cannot fix collectivists for whom preconceived notions are more powerful than reality, except through web of trust filtration. Merry Christmas. Don't roll back block chains.
Just because some of us (ok most) are not interested in ethereum, doesn’t mean things shouldn’t be built to bring that community here. At scale it won’t matter what one group of people thinks. Build what your heart desires and bring that community here. We’ll find a way to get along 😉
Let’s not fret over differences and focus on what we value in common: all the things you mentioned.
There's no way you can be completely blocked for everyone, so there's that. There are many solid cryptographers here already, good accounts about privacy, etc. I found that almost everyone here is pro bitcoin and some people here fully live on bitcoin. Most folks just chill and if you don't like some content, you just mute it or block it in your client.
Yes, you are likely to get some negative comments about ethereum, often coming from experience. So you know, learn to deal with that and set up your client to deal with that the way you want...
Fwiw, there's also decent cz community...
Nostr needs all kinds of people from all kinds of communities. That's what helps platforms grow.
You have your own keys to hold and sign your own words. This is sovereign data using cryptography over cyberspace. No one can steal it from you.
There is no "NOSTR" community. There are so many subcultures here on nostr already. Everyone is welcome here!
EXPRESS your vibe,
Find your TRIBE!
More and more, the vibe of my tribe, orangish.
The orange culture of bitcoiners includes an infinite amount of sub-cultures. Everyone is welcome here, that's why we love it.
If you mean that orange culture means nothing because it actually contains everything, then I agree :)
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God yes! Blue, red, orange, green, black, white all of them. Nostr: A safe haven for people who've been beat up and bruised on the Big Tech platforms. A place where people aren't afraid to speak from the heart.
#plebchain
the same with Bitcoin. Bitcoin doesn't care who is using it.
Yes, I like how nostr:nprofile1qqsg86qcm7lve6jkkr64z4mt8lfe57jsu8vpty6r2qpk37sgtnxevjcpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqaktkhj describes it. From Perplexity:
"Booth argues that Bitcoin should be understood as a base protocol (like TCP/IP for the internet), and he says that such protocols tend to be “winner take all.” He contrasts this with companies like Amazon or Google, which he describes as 'winner take most,' because a new technology can eventually disrupt them."
It seems like "winner take most technologies" deepen division, strife, and scarcity.
"Winner take most" creates artificial scarcity and tribal warfare. Real base protocols - like TCP/IP - don't need to win because they enable diversity rather than demand conformity.
That makes sense to me. I know next to nothing about computers and code. I do know that I want my children to grow up in a world with less division. I am going out on a limb to say the United States has to lead the way.
You'd like Ivan Illich - try "Deschooling Society." He explains how liberating tools become institutions that create dependency.
The US is leading, just in the wrong direction. Exporting surveillance, weaponized identity politics, institutional capture. Maybe we need less leading, more building tools that work without anyone in charge..
I agree. We have a war economy. It needs to stop. I like Illich. His writing on conviviality struck a chord with me. My two youngest children have never set foot in our compulsory schooling system.