If you could take veterans who died in the revolutionary war, the Indian war, the quasi war, the first Barbary war, the war of 1812, the second Barbary war, the first Seminole war, the Mexican American war, the Apache wars, the Utah war, the civil war, the Spanish American war, the Philippine-American war, the boxer rebellion, the banana wars, WW1, WW2, the Korean War, the Vietnam war, the invasion of Grenada, the invasion of Panama, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, the global war on terror…

And show them the country as it is today, do you think they would feel their death was worth it?

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Stack the fallen from 1776 to Iraq and drop them into 2025.

They’d see debt, corrupt suits, TikTok wars, and borders that don’t exist.

Worth it?

The flag still flies, you can still curse the president, and Amazon still delivers.

But they didn’t die so BlackRock could own the country or so half the nation could be glued to Netflix.

They bled for an idea.

The idea’s gasping, not dead.

That’s the fight now.

America is gone. The country we have now is unrecognizable compared to the one created by our ancestors in 1776.

The bigger question is, what should be done?

Issue local currency! Ben Franklin, Abe Lincoln, JFK, and Tsar Alexander all knew the way.... Lets listen to them and get back to brass tacks. ISSUE LOCAL CURRENCY in every micro economy. Bankers hate that.

We have Bitcoin and that isn’t enough to get us back to the state of America in 1776.

More importantly: Issue SOUND money!

Kill the central bank

Good start but wouldn’t reverse damage, and doesn’t address some other social areas of change

Go back to using sound money.

I think they would revolt....we are in a sad state of affairs from taxation to overall pride in being a FREE AMERICAN

I can't get over how Trump thinks nationalizing companies is a good idea.

The tea tax was a tarrif.

Why does the US government want to tax tea and nationalize Intel like a Railroad in Atlas Shrugged?

This makes it obvious that war is normal and we are long over due. We do not live at the end of history.

As a veteran I believe the answer would be a no.

No, they would feel betrayed.. Like General Paton said. "We beat the wrong side.".

Smedley Butler said, "War is a racquet.". My ancestors said, "I own myself." and they fled west to get away from the colonial overlords claiming the sun and the moon and the stars!

If they discovered that the king passed the currency act and the stamp act which let to the Boston tea party. Everyone can print money... That is the whole point of BITCOIN.

I am not even going to get into moral decay. Lets just stick with the roots of filthy lucre!

No king please!

you could probably do the same about almost any veteran of any war for any country ever

Nah, we should have built the roads with that tiny ass tea tax.

No.

Hell no.

Definitely not. And can you imagine the cumulative effect that culling all of those fit and aggressive fighting age males from the gene pool has had on our society? No wonder the average 21 year old western male now has about the same testosterone level as an 80 year old from our great grandfathers’ generation.

War on the ground is fighting for the man beside you.

Hard no

No, because they lived in a very different time. Where hard times created strong men.

I just bought a bunch of organic bananas for $2 so at least the Banana War vets did not die in vain

I’ve often thought about this and I fear we have let them all down.

Wow! Umm if you spend some time and listen to vets from WW2 on YouTube you’d understand that they are definitely conflicted. And these videos are 10-20yrs ago. I’ve spent most of my teens and 20’s trying to understand WW2. They fought for a world that existed before 1946. I would highly suggest reading some books by James Holland. Especially Big Week. Perspective is key. Glory was lost hundreds of years ago.

I spent many many hours in conversation with my grandfather who fought in ww2 so I know the feeling of these men rather well

My upstairs neighbor while I was a kid did 25 missions in the 8th from 43-44 and taught me and my brothers the meaning of hard work and sacrifice. He will always live in my heart. Unfortunately we as a society have moved on… the forth turning will change this.

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How did he feel? Did he think we fought the wrong enemy?

No he believed the story straight up like many men in his generation, but as the years went by he started to kind of wonder? Is this what winning looks like? It was a deep confusion on his part.

I can imagine. Hard to fight propaganda back then. Most people still believe it today.

He was 17 when he enlisted. 21 when the war ended. He was too young to have a good understanding of why he a midwestern farm boy was in east Africa lol

It would be a brutal experience to go through fighting in a war, internalizing the war narrative(s), and forming a sense of identity from it only to have it eroded over the coming years by contradicting actions by the government and other sources.

Had to ask my Mom for his info because she’s got everything saved.

John Weis 1921-2005 RIP.

Staff Sergeant USAAF, 8th, 303rd bomber group, Molesworth GB. Tail Gunner. Served from 1942-1944.

Lemme think…..fuck no…

Yes all of those sacrifices so I could live in a digital insane asylum and freely call people niggers all around the world

Probably the revolutionary war, civil, and WW2.

Short Answer: No

Long Answer:

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No.

And the daily rates of Veteran Suicide might be a reflection of this sad reality. The Vets probably see it clearer than those who didn’t fight. It’s hard to beat back the overwhelming despair that falls over one in that position when that reality is fully seen, understood. Along with the recognition that they were party to sustaining it.

No, now do UK with just WW1/2. Sheesh, what is wrong with government?

Veterans died for freedom, not for today's government overreach.

Honestly, it’s hard to say. Some might feel proud of the progress, others might be shocked or disappointed by what’s become of the country. It’s a complicated mix of hope and reality.

Learning that what they were told to get them to enlist was all BS would convince them otherwise.

My WW2 vet grandad would be fuming. TBH he was already angry about the state of the world in the 90s.

He already knew what was coming, as a small child he told me socialism turns into communism then the Nazi show up and you never let them win. Also have a rant about inflation as a very small child in the 80s burned into my memory.

It all hangs with me because he was super quiet and stoic.

My dad’s fuming and he passed 16yrs ago. 🥲♥️

Show the the rest of the world at the same time. Context matters. Also, show them Bitcoin. They'd be like us: so fucking bullish and full of hope.

No F-ing way!

I could be most of your mums - or grandma even 😅

I was three in ‘71 - you are all in control now - and hanging with my fellow freedom fighters floats our boat; this intimate interface and access is surreal.

Actually.

Astounding.

We don’t waste any of it on permission.