Ok settle this for me:
I don’t think anyone actually checks your education for developer positions. True or false?
Assuming you have a solid history of development, better than the others, does education really matter?
I know in design world it doesn’t mean a thing. People only want to see your portfolio. How about dev work??
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As someone who has hired developers, I never once looked at anyone’s education. Show me your shipped products.
Dude, I’d hire you any day!
I have interviewed quite a few devs over time. Yes, a code repository or personal website is more valued than education and certifications.
I leave it up to HR to do their thing for inclusives (degree or cert requirements). I only looked at education (what schools) from an exclusionary standpoint
Only matters to the educationally-vain retards that hope you also spent 100k plus on something one can teach himself
True, same for SysOps / DevOps positions, been doing this for 10+ years as a freelancer.
I haven't filled out a resume in 20 years.
Ran a software business for a decade. Never checked.
Proof is in the pudding, not in the certificates.
My take as an HR consultant and a person who is involved in hiring a lot, I’ll generalize like this:
In areas where the result is more important than the process, i don’t think a degree matters much, because you can easily demonstrate what you created.
But in engineering/medicine etc. for example, the process is critical maybe more so than the result. So you need to demonstrate that you have a solid understanding of the process and how it all connects to the result. Sometimes even you need to be approved to even practice.
Degrees could help recruiters find you in a talent pool. So a company might have found success for hiring staff from say MIT, so a degree from there, would include someone in their talent pool.
no body cares about university degrees! software development is changing every single hour!! you can't rely on what you've learned yeeeeeaaaaars ago! so no! no body really cares.
Honestly this is pretty true of the technology industry broadly speaking. If you're a modern tech company that takes a hard stance on education during hiring, you're in the minority. Most don't care about anything but experience.
does not matter if you have experience
I had someone try to low ball me on a salary because “you’re asking for that salary and you’re self taught?”. Yes. And I was paid almost double what you were offering per year 1 month later at a new company.
I can personally testify that my understanding of software engineering is weaker than my peers who received an education. However it’s almost never mattered for our work.
Education is only useful in the first 10 years after school. Then it's not that important anymore. But it is a good predictor of what parts of the coding culture they care about, like building things from scratch vs reusing libraries, quick vs quality work, foundations vs hacking, science vs intuition, etc.
Hmm? If you’re self taught you would be less likely to use existing libraries? Or the other way around?
Self taught is too broad. Self taught from where, when and which high schools?
Most universities/schools train for a given style. It usually follows the professors style. You can find some variance, but it is largely predictive. When you are hiring and need a certain angle to your team, a recruiter can easily find the most likely places to find them.
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When it comes to proof via GitHub, I’d prefer to see a dev who knows how to document, communicate, manage a project (even if it’s 1-2 people). A bunch of code doesn’t tell you much. Good development requires good communication. The only exception is if you are the only user *and* developer.
The other winning indicator is referrals. People won’t recommend someone which might in turn reflect poorly on themselves.
FWIW, I've encountered far too many recruiters that have been more than willing to talk to me until they find out that I don't have a degree. Theses are all the first level recruiters and not the people that actually know what's up, but it's still frustrating.
Education is of utmost importance.
Titles are irrelevant.
Formal education is just one of many things recruiters should look at
Same in any business, employers value proof of work
Went to school for electrical/comp eng. Spent almost 7 years at an automotive startup as a calibration firmware engineer. There are no receipts for my work in that field. Give me a diesel powered pickup truck and Ill make it go fast, but It's not like I could display that kind of work. (at least I thought)
Writing on the wall, I got into software a few years ago, I have about a dozen active FOSS projects on display (but not shared), multiple languages, multiple use-cases, so on.
Strange part, I never wanted to be a "developer" it feels and looks too much like a trade. I'm not a tradesmen. I don't care to follow "best practices". I care about the science, building new/important things because others won't. That's not the real world, but it's how I dream it.
I'm scared to be a modern "developer", writing software for other people to make money on scares me. Being another cog scares me.
95% true yeah. Even non technical interviewers usually use hacker rank or something similar
