Nostr Web Client

I'm trying my brother, but i'm a poor

Max DeMarco 5mo ago

Lmk if you need any help

ARVIN 5mo ago

🫂

ButtercupRoberts 5mo ago

Dang, that sucks!

If you solve the nostr:nprofile1qqsyv47lazt9h6ycp2fsw270khje5egjgsrdkrupjg27u796g7f5k0spzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucnqgxpl issue, in my case it has been very useful, specially on desktop to seamlessly login through the extension to many clients 😅

Hope it gets resolved for you :)

In terms of scheduling i can recommend nostr:nprofile1qqsp8luyzs4x2f3y2yjvrq8m2dpvagfs64v0a3753qqe68dw02k2rzspzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcu76lkx Honey.

It’s a lot more since it’s mostly a video call provider, but it is putting together a quite nice suite of #nostr features among which is scheduling and posting notes on the Posta Nota section.

Honey.hivetalk.org

HiveTalk 5mo ago

cool!

Evan 5mo ago

Dave🐸 5mo ago

The Revolution Will Not Have Good UX.

🤙🏽

https://wavlake.com/track/29bdff51-c701-4254-aa24-a16e39bdbd38

Paging nostr:npub1s4t5da3x5f26dpl3fralazs7jlzw95y0vtppf8zejzt7zw9rw75quhazvc.

DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 5mo ago 💬 3

Listen to the users, they don't need more Ai slop, they need the basics.

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Robert Allen 5mo ago

Sounds like Alby is not the way to go.

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I still use it as a signer. Works good. I self host all my lightning infra so the signer is the only thing I use now.

franzap 5mo ago 💬 12

I love nostr but this is correct.

We do not get the basics right. The experience for new users is not good enough, no matter the client.

miljan 5mo ago

nostr:nprofile1qyx8wumn8ghj7cnjvghxjmcprpmhxue69uhkc6t8dp6xu6twvaex2mrp0yhxxmmdqqs263kmzthz2zsssat2knc0xqrmqnt7dx05t6kr4d5kqaefvgvaypc0gd8px which Primal app did you use (iOS, Android, or web)? Also, what device did you use (hardware and OS)?

Dug 5mo ago

@Primal has an app built in!

John James 5mo ago

I use Damus and it’s pretty straight forward

CitizenPleb 5mo ago

Retarded Pleb over here who’s been power using nostr for years… 🤷‍♂️

YOU GOT THIS 👊

We soldier on

CitizenPleb 5mo ago

ONWARD

Derek Ross 5mo ago 💬 1

i had that happen on reinstall or when i added a new account to alby. it generated new keys, so when i went to primal, i signed in to a brand new account automatically. i was confused too until i realized what happened.

This was the main reason I angrily uninstalled Alby extension way back then. Should never have added nostr key management or at least do the UX right.

Derek Ross 5mo ago

i've had a few other complexities happen that makes me wan to stop using it and go for something similar like Nostr Connect.

Right, that's helpful. I didn't even know there were multiple options. I honestly thought I was adding a wallet, since when I used Alby way back it was primarily as a web browser wallet. I had no idea it was interacting with Nostr at the login level at all

nostr:npub144rdkyhwy59ppp6k4d8s7vq8kpxhu6vlgh4v82mfvpmjjcse6grsxzag2d The Primal mobile app has a wallet, but it doesn’t work in New York because of the fucking BitLicense. (It uses the nostr:npub1ex7mdykw786qxvmtuls208uyxmn0hse95rfwsarvfde5yg6wy7jq6qvyt9 API.)

So for a desktop wallet you will want to get a NWC connection.

nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm has moved to a self-custodial or “bring your own” setup, so you have a few options:

1. Use their Alby Hub Cloud service which spins up a hosted node where you hold your own keys. Easiest, but most expensive.

2. Install Alby Hub locally on either a LND node like Umbrel or Start9. Somewhat challenging for most people.

3. Install the standalone Alby Hub on a dedicated low-cost computer. You can use almost anything. I’ve gotten them set up on a Raspberry Pi.

4. Use a third-party custodial NWC wallet and import the connection string. Here are some options:

nostr:npub1yzvxlwp7wawed5vgefwfmugvumtp8c8t0etk3g8sky4n0ndvyxesnxrf8q is the easiest setup. It’s a full Nostr desktop/browser and mobile client, and they will give you an Uncle Jim wallet running on their own Alby instance. You just export the string and import it into getalby.com and any other client you choose.

lnwallet.app is a simple NWC service. Works pretty much the same way as above, but it’s not a full client, just a wallet service.

nostr:npub13tv0rauv3cgevcjzu298eg2ujd4j82ve6haer0lyu3rjuttw4a2s6mgea0 is a hosted wallet that lets you connect to any NWC wallet, so it works with Alby Go and Nostr clients.

Give one of those a try and report back!

Yep. The key UX was too forceful back when I tried it and sounds like it hasn’t gotten any better. Maybe nostr:npub1m0sxqk5uwvtjhtt4yw3j0v3k6402fd35aq8832gp8kmer78atvkq9vgcru can look into it

Extension does not generate new keys automatically anymore

Yeah when someone explained that Nostr uses browser extensions to save keys, it made total sense. But as an end user I feel like I had no prior expectation that that would happen

Installing a browser extension to log into an app isn't very intuitve

You can log in with your private key directly if you want. That's not too secure... Or you can use amber signer or a bunker (remote signers) "logging in" to nostr isn't really "login" in a traditional sense. It's "let me tell the client what my public key is and how I would like to sign events with my private key for this session"

Logging in has to be the biggest hurdle because it's fundamentallly different than the way you are used to signing into apps. You control the keys instead of just making a personal password that some central authority ties to some account in a central database. Your password on nostr is derived and never changes. There's no way to fix it. The only way to make it easier is better UI and education.

Shouldn’t really need to as a new user. We have too much paranoia around key security imo. Let new users just use it directly without extensions. Sooner or later they’ll learn best practices and can get a new key if they like. We all came here mostly with the Jack wave and no one used any extensions back then and look at us - we’re fine.

cloud fodder 5mo ago

i dont see nostr-connect anymore tho 😭 it was a nice skin..

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nostr:npub1zfss807aer0j26mwp2la0ume0jqde3823rmu97ra6sgyyg956e0s6xw445 know what happened to the extension? It’s not in chrome extensions anymore 😔 had to get from GitHub

reya 5mo ago

it have been removed by google, I need to re upload it.

5atoshiNakamoto 5mo ago

Like this? For logging out...

Correction: I never said it was a good scheduling tool. I just said it was a scheduling tool.

Well, I'm still looking for references then 😂

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nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr Can nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg Studio do this?

miljan 5mo ago 💬 1

Yes, Primal Studio supports scheduled publishing of notes and articles. I showed it in the Primal Studio announcement:

https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsvh9e6zz6d2c2ulw897rj3jn778px0jcrrhm9dj44q65wh9n0qzycxu72xs

nostr:npub144rdkyhwy59ppp6k4d8s7vq8kpxhu6vlgh4v82mfvpmjjcse6grsxzag2d This is what you need.

Thaeus01 5mo ago

Keith Meola 5mo ago

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Efrat Fenigson 5mo ago

I’m already onboarded and used its scheduling for the first time today and it worked very well! nostr:nprofile1qqs263kmzthz2zsssat2knc0xqrmqnt7dx05t6kr4d5kqaefvgvaypcpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3gamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3ww35xzmnt9ejh2r5eqjk try the primal studio. I’m liking it!

Keith Meola 5mo ago

Woohoo!

GRANTGILLIAM 5mo ago

Works like a charm too

Flexible Helps 5mo ago

Nice

TKay 5mo ago

If you can operate bitcoin you can operate nostr.

Just like you sign transaction, you sign events.

You need a wallet that does that for you. Unless you want to do the math by hand.

Artur…qywr 5mo ago

Sounds a lot like the hurdles of moving from paper Bitcoin ETFs to holding your own Bitcoin in a self-custody. It gets easier overtime.

Fair enough. I'm just trying to build a habit. But it's also alarming to open up the same page your account was logged in yesterday and then basically be unable to use it for 30 minutes

Artur…qywr 5mo ago

We all appreciate your being here. Enjoy the discovery process. Looking forward to zap you once you settle down 🫂 Also, forget the like button, try Damus. #onlyzaps

Be me, stop using primal. It's basically not even a real nostr client. Use your own node and self host everything and then you could just update your lightning address on your profile without relying on anyone else. Alby signer does have an annoying element that it uses a random npub until you import your own to the signer. Could always try nos2x. I would recommend amethyst client and amber signer on android. If you have an iPhone... You can use damus. I hear it's good. But If you were being me, you would dump that walled garden shit show for real open source software like android.

SwBratcher 5mo ago

I run the relay on Start9, but configs are nonexistent and decent clients won’t even connect to the .onion address, or require the .onion to have wss instead of ws. Primal UI is great. Happy here until tools catch up to allow being into self-sovereignty without moonlighting as an IT guy.

What do you mean "the relay"

There are dozens of implementations. My implementation has LOTS of configurations.

SwBratcher 5mo ago

The only one that shows up when I search “nostr” in the Start9 marketplaces is Nostr RS Relay. So, that’s the only one I’ve installed to the Start9 and played with. Advice welcomed!

Check out my project grain.

Github.com/0ceanslim/grain

Let me know if you have questions!

I'm gearing up for the newest release now. Everything should be pretty well documented.

SwBratcher 5mo ago

Badass! I will!

Next release also targets a docker install as an option. Which means I may be able to bring grain to start9 and umbrel soon tm

ck 5mo ago

Dead

We will return

TonySly 5mo ago

Nostr ain’t that hard, my guy. With that level of misunderstanding, I’m concerned you may have fucked up your cold storage. Might want to check on that, Pete.

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That's why I use nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvqyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnzd96xxmmfdejhytnnda3kjctvqqsvwcwuwcwmucx3s7dfs54m49h7uclw4vxh8ygu25m9chk0ypy5ngswlqxkm 😂

plebeian ewok 5mo ago

Works for me 🤷🏻

Danny Sargordan 5mo ago

It definitely, definitely needs to be simpler.

Tagging nostr:npub1m0sxqk5uwvtjhtt4yw3j0v3k6402fd35aq8832gp8kmer78atvkq9vgcru and nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm in case they want to explore their onboarding again.

We do not autogenerate new keys again, so I am not sure how this could happen now

I think he may have had the extension installed for a while and not used it. It had a default key in the configuration, and I walked him through how to replace it with his real key.

Ah makes sense. Possible

His other question is one a lot of people have:

“I thought Alby was a wallet.”

This launched a 10 minute conversation about self custody and Lightning. It’s no wonder new users are perplexed.

https://blog.getalby.com/alby-product-ecosystem-explained/

Yeah we struggle with it a lot. That’s why I wrote this:

When you products are too powerful it’s hard to harness them sometimes 😅

Some additional efforts are in the pipeline to resolve that including new branding and landing page

Paulo Gomez 5mo ago

The same thing happened to me, so there's definitely work to be done with key management. It was a pain to figure it out. Alby's user experience has a lot of room for improvement!

Scrotus 5mo ago

5atoshiNakamoto 5mo ago

Similar issue happened to me trying to logout of Primal or switch accounts. Found a fix eventually...

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freemymind 🇨🇭 5mo ago

Is primal this great? Or would an independent client like coracle or damus also serve well or better?

If you’re using a browser such as Chrome with the ability to create multiple profiles, it makes user switching really easy. You never need to sign out of anything. Just switch profiles and you have a completely different set of browser extensions and user data. Works perfectly.

freemymind 🇨🇭 5mo ago

Ok thanks. I never use chrome, when these is a solution with firefox.

Sebastix 5mo ago

Let friction be your friend 💜

Bob Social, 5mo ago

💐💐💐💐💐

Peter Heino 5mo ago

There is also a logout Button missing

Tim 5mo ago

lmfao

JOSE BAM 5mo ago

This note reeks of boomerism 😆

michael 5mo ago

Thats why i make email login, its not perfect but it works

wolfpy 5mo ago

And I can’t zap you xD

Dissident Sound 5mo ago

Alby isn't done fucking with you yet, trust me LOL

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JSKitty 5mo ago

The Primal Experience. 😂😂😂

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

when you make a nostr identity, you need to store the nsec somewhere safe

they make it a little confusing in alby how you put it in there, but it's in the nostr settings section. once that's in, you will log in as you mean to. the flow they have is designed for onboarding, not for newbies who already have made a key pair before (nsec/npub)