I wish all apps were paid once. No in app purchases. No subscriptions. No data collected.
This is basically what I check for now.
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And no ads.
If it’s paid I expect 0 ads
isn't it really sucky for the devs to make one-time payment work in a longer time-span?
I’d prefer to just pay whatever price that’s asked if I see value in the app. So if you normally charge 6.99/mo just charge me a year’s worth and if you want more money from me, release a paid update that’s worth paying for.
I know this probably is less profitable for devs since most people are cheap but that’s how I’d like to use things.
If the app requires continued maintainence (databases or heavy backend operations) it's going to be a continuing cost. I'm not sure if a one time payment can sustain it, but Im hopeful about a microtransactions model. Which is what I'm thinking about for formstr.
Yeah, this is what I was aiming at, well put
Why are you paying for apps?
Ditto. A friend and I built a bunch of iOS apps that were exactly this for this reason. Simple, clean, free, no data collected. https://auertools.com/
Like the old days!
Imagine wishing the same for your electric bill. It would be prohibitively expensive.
The same applies for most customers of paid apps. Charging a reasonable subscription allows the app to reach a broader audience and establishes a sustainable path for the creator.
I am happy to pay a monthly fee so that I remain a customer and not a product. This is far more important IMO.
I’m aware of the benefits of subscriptions for product creator but they’re easy to forget. I don’t think electricity is a good analogy in this scenario. More like buy once box software.
The problem with subscription besides forgetting to cancel is that it assumes you’re getting continuous value out of the product. When in reality you may want to use something here and there a few times when needed. One time with paid upgrades is better.
"The problem with subscription besides forgetting to cancel..."
Come on, if you can deal with Nostr you can figure out how to set a reminder for yourself to cancel. Still, I agree with the sentiment that it should be much more common to select 'do not auto-renew'.
"...is that it assumes you’re getting continuous value out of the product. When in reality you may want to use something here and there a few times when needed."
This is exactly the case for subscribing for just 1 month! I do this all the time and end up saving money over the long-term.
"One time with paid upgrades is better."
No, not for all scenarios as I mentioned. Spending less is better.
I don't trust any app that charges money
I want all apps like Mullvad VPN: paid with bitcoin. Account is just a random number: no email, phone number, street address, credit card etc. required.
That would be awesome 🤩
It’s a beautiful thing
That's what IVPN is
You could easily login with nostr with any auth system that works like this. All mullvad or anyone else would do to link accounts is sign an ephemeral event with this account number for the content. It works be a dream come true.
use https://vpn.sovereign.engineering/ and burner Mullvad accounts (with burner email addresses)
That's not possible. For example Mynymbox needs email addresses. It's up to you if you use a fake email or an alias or your real email. But it would be useful for you to rexdive emails for our invoices, service notifications etc.
We get sometimes tickets from our customer that they didn't know that an invoice was due and that their service is now suspendet. So ... 😀
"That's not possible" is odd to say in a reply to service that shows that something like it is very possible.
Mullvad also expires and it has to notify you about it, Mullvad also handles support tickets, etc.
Yes, you have some extra complexities, but not unsolvable.
Mullvad can do notifications because most of their users run the Mullvad VPN client. We don't have a client 😉
You highlighted one possible option: have a client. There are multiple things used on Tor that have a client, so that's possible.
I'm not saying these options are better, but I'm saying they are possible.
Asking users for email is the point of weakness - emails run on clearnet domains and if the email providers are kneeled on, they will provide the information to a three letter agency of your choice (e.g. proton did provide info in the past).
A dream
And even better with Lightning and through this site it can be doen for Mullvad
nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg would it be possible to build such a proxy for #ecash?
That is a great idea 🔥
Or checkout nostr:nprofile1qqs80n2hqvjppgqh2c5t2dtl5e2mr7kw4d90u468xwaaenke8r0frgspz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3samnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwwdhx7un59eek7cmfv9kqzxthwden5te0wpuhyctdd9jzuenfv96x5ctx9e3k7mg6k4xa4, privacy like Mullvad, plus accepting lightning.
Agree
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