So the dogecoin con artist is getting billions in government subsidies to launch massive rockets that do nothing more than blow up in the sky... And this is somehow a brave and heroic achievement and not just blatant theft because he's convinced TV viewers that these rockets will somehow take humanity to Mars. Do I have this right?
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Pretty much nailed it.
All the while he is beeing perceived as the 'saviour of mankind', that will take us away from this dying planet. All just PR bullshit.
Do you think there is a sky dome?
Not to mention, we can’t figure out how to launch a rocket in the wind or rain. We haven’t even spent the night on the moon…
Oh ya, we’re DEFINITELY gonna live on Mars real soon 🤦♂️
While i dont like Elon for his Dodg-e-ness, this is still a pretty amazing feat. Are we mad because there are gov’t subsidies, or because certain people use them?
A person as smart as you knows that rocket science and lift vehicle development comes with major risks down a rocky road.
Im not trying to defend Elon here, but i will say i believe you are wrong saying this is not a major achievement in development of heavy lift reusable vehicles.
Very well said
Well, SpaceX is also launching satellites into space that provide a plethora of different services and research. StarLink being just one example.
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You've got a lot of great takes Saif, not so sure about this one. Do you value going back to the moon? If so, then this was a step towards that
LoL, going back to the moon? That's easy Artemis is doing that. Not that we couldn't do it 50 years ago.
The con artist musk says this thing is going to take us to Mars. Like 5 years ago. Not to mention international travel. Total fraud
If the free market valued it, they wouldn't need government subsidies.
Did the free market value the internet?
Ah, good question and critical thinking. Would the internet exist if it wasn't for central spending?
Perhaps it would but on a longer time frame. Read somewhere that those with excess can afford to spend frivolously, so governments and billionaires fit this.
Are there examples of the first mover not spending millions to get the free market to adopt the innovation? It would be great to learn from them.
I don't think you can compare a specific space program company to a nebulous term such as "the internet"? What do you mean by "the internet"? The protocols? The infrastructure? The applications running on top of it?
I don't value it enough to take food off my kids'dinner table to pay for it. I believe all the TV viewers who care about it should pay for it themselves, and the fact that they can only do it by robbing me tells me all I need to know
It's worse than that. We're going to use these rockets in place of international flights
do not forget to turn the lights of during the night to help the climate!
After all, it’s not like its rocket science.
I realy hope he takes this clown world to Mars.
Sure, the rockets just explode now, but soon we'll have even more surveillance satellites watching our every move
I believe the realistic benefits are the reduction in costs. Before SpaceX I believe it cost something like $50,000 per LB to pit an object in to space. Once this starship is fully functional the projections drop that price to somthing like $300 per LB. I'd imagine at that price it would become profitable to mine gold on local asteroids, meteors, comets, etc.
TLDR
Starship = Gold inflation
You're so mean!!🤣🤣
Elon is a grifter, no doubt about it. But to minimize SpaceX's achievements in pushing the envelope of human space exploration is folly. Yes, spend my tax dollars getting us back into space. It's a million times better use of my money than invading foreign countries for no good reason.
You can hate the man and still respect his achievements.
There is exactly zero achievement. Just endless elaborate excuses to get gullible people to support government giving him money.
lol reusable rockets is not an achievement?
Why aren't you paying for it willingly and forcing fiat users to subsidize you if it was such an amazing achievement? Also, that explosion didn't look very reusable today, did it? If only you were paying for it instead of everyone else on the world who doesn't give a shit!
Reusable rockets is a pretty big achievement
The space industry has stalled from 1969 until Elon Musk entered the space, and in the span of 15 years:
-Drastically lowered cost of kg to orbit by making reusable rocket a reality,
-Created a constellation of LEO to allow anyone to get internet access, basically everywhere in the world,
-Proposed a goal that transcends just getting awards and more fiat, by looking to send people to Mars, and eventually create an actual colony there.
Feel free to call his bullshit and his grifts, because he has many. But please be objective and recognize the few things he actually did right.
AFAIK, no government funded the Starship program ; and while the US government actually gave SpaceX money, even you should recognize the net gain created both for the government (and its taxpayers) AND the rest of companies, now able to afford to launch stuff in space at a much lower cost than before the SpaceX breakthrough.
Exactly zero accomplishment except the amazing feat of getting otherwise intelligent people to treat the obvious waste like it's an accomplishment. The satellite internet thing is a stupid grift we've been over before. The rockets aren't achieving anything except sell pipedreams
Wow. Just being dismissive about it all altogether doesn’t befit someone like you, usually advocating for the pursuit of the truth.
With so many bright people working at pure fiat jobs on Wall Street and other bullshit banks/hedge funds, like “portfolio managers”, “quant wiz”, “risk managers”… you really think it’s a waste of ressource to have some of them working to offer internet access globally, especially into territories where ground infrastructure is 30 years behind, and to let small non government-affiliated companies send stuff in space at an “affordable” cost ?
You hate Elon, no problem, just dunk on him for his dogecoin bullshit, his “Tesla FSD next year”, or Twitter “free speech costs $8”…
If you don’t even like space exploration or reusable rockets, no problem too, just ignore it, or dunk on companies like Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin that (so far) have just been glorified thrill machines for billionaires.
But please, even if you don’t like the fact SpaceX was kickstarted in part by government subsidies, at least be objective regarding obvious and measurable advancements in space and internet technology, that were achieved though proof of work.
I’m also disappointed by Saife’s willful ignorance here
Well said. Nuclear fission technology was developed with staggering levels of government support. Was that also deplorable? #[2] I think you have blinders on in regards to this topic.
"kickstarted in part by government subsidies" How about billions in continuously growing government contracts that are funded by theft and coercion? If those "advances" can only be funded by coercion, they are obviously not beneficial for humanity as a whole and are ultimately just malinvestments which actually are net negative for the world.
What you say does not address my point in any way.
The reality is that while most advances funded by taxation, which you call coercion and theft, are not beneficial for humanity, a few of these programs yield net benefits for taxpayers, and sometimes humanity.
Both can be true:
-the majority of government funded programs are malinvestments,
-a few government funded programs are beneficial for the taxpayers and sometimes humanity.
And I believe SpaceX is one of the few falling in that category.
If you don’t agree, please at least make a solid case about why SpaceX democratizing cheap launches in space for non-government companies + Starlink making internet access possible anywhere in the world + the non-government funded Starship program are all “net negative” for taxpayers and humanity.
Any of the small number of actually useful advances that were by chance funded through government theft and coercion would have been made anyway in a free market if they are indeed beneficial. In fact, they would probably be made earlier and cheaper if not for continuous government interventions in the first place. At the end of the day, all innovations are made in spite of government action, not due to it.
“cheap launches” are only cheap because of all the government funding provided beforehand. If you account for it won’t be so cheap anymore. Also, you might want to look up what % of SpaceX launches are paid for by private companies. Hint: it’s minuscule, and those private companies themselves are mostly private only in name as SpaceX is itself. As of October 2022, out of 38 launches listed in their active launch manifest 33 were paid by government entities, others were SpaceX own launches.
As for Starlink, if it was indeed a feasible idea it would be funded by private funds regardless. But something tells me it isn’t and other land based communication technologies are way more efficient.
To sum up - all those fiat funded government directed investments are distorting free markets by allocating resources inefficiently and thus making it harder for the actually useful innovations to emerge. Which is a net negative for humanity.
*“Any of the small number of actually useful advances that were by chance funded through government theft and coercion would have been made anyway in a free market if they are indeed beneficial. In fact, they would probably be made earlier and cheaper if not for continuous government interventions in the first place.”*
Way to generalize and make bold claims without advancing a sliver of proof.
**Maybe** SpaceX breakthroughs would have been made “earlier and cheaper” without the government interventions. But how do you prove it?
The reality is that space launch advancements were stalling for over 30 years before SpaceX was created. NASA and government contractors were still receiving funding, but nothing happened. SpaceX received government funding, too, and something good happened. This is a fact. What you say cannot be proven, so it’s irrelevant.
*“cheap launches” are only cheap because of all the government funding provided beforehand. If you account for it won’t be so cheap anymore.**
You’re saying SpaceX launches wouldn’t be cheap without government funding. So let’s imagine you remove all funding from the equation (because its competitors also get government funding), it would still the cheapest option just because of the law of physics and economics. When you recover your boosters after each launch, it will cost less to launch again, all else equal.
*Also, you might want to look up what % of SpaceX launches are paid for by private companies. Hint: it’s minuscule, and those private companies themselves are mostly private only in name as SpaceX is itself. As of October 2022, out of 38 launches listed in their active launch manifest 33 were paid by government entities, others were SpaceX own launches.*
I don’t know what line of reasoning you are using when you say SpaceX and other private companies are “only private in name”. I don’t think Elon Musk is a government agent, and I don’t think these other companies should be, either.
As for the launches breakdown, SpaceX serve governments and private entities. We can agree on the fact that satellites launches are used a lot by government agencies (for war and espionnage which we don’t necessarily want, but also for science and everyday’s comfort like weather, GPS…). I think that there would be more opportunities to create private companies looking to launch stuff in space in a free market.
*As for Starlink, if it was indeed a feasible idea it would be funded by private funds regardless. But something tells me it isn’t and other land based communication technologies are way more efficient.*
Again, if “something tells you it isn’t”, please ask something to advance proofs.
AFAIK SpaceX is selling Starlink, mostly to non government entities, so there must be demand for it.
*To sum up - all those fiat funded government directed investments are distorting free markets by allocating resources inefficiently and thus making it harder for the actually useful innovations to emerge. Which is a net negative for humanity.*
On that we agree. But if I may, I assume that if you’re writing long forms to discuss a matter, you must be trying to convince someone else that your ideas are “superior” to his/hers.
I don’t think framing issues in black and white, advancing arguments without proofs, and considering everything that the government touched “bad” or “would have been made faster, cheaper and better” will get you much attention or credit outside of the hardcore libertarian crowds.
And I don’t think dissing one of a few “lucky draw” from government funding is a good idea either, as they are way more obvious targets for that.
If you can get your point across by picking the lower hanging fruits, like fiat healthcare, fiat food, etc… Once people realize that, they’ll also realize that the government could be shrinked a bit first and how that would lead to better outcomes for them… and after seeing it then they would want to shrink it even more until we reach the best outcome.
> Way to generalize and make bold claims without advancing a silver of proof.
I am just stating logic - any interference in the free markets results in all kinds of disbalances and inefficiencies which in turn stifles real innovations. If someone has to provide proof, it is people who claim that state interventions somehow boost such a complex and mostly randomly happening phenomena as innovations in any way, shape or form.
> Maybe SpaceX breakthroughs would have been made earlier and cheaper without the government interventions.
Most probably they would have not been made at all, because 99% of space “advancements” are completely useless in real day to day life of people on earth and are simply a waste and misallocation of scarce resources.
> SpaceX received government funding, and something good happened.
This is an extremely biased personal opinion. The fact is that good happened only to the people who directly benefited from the government theft and pocketed a lot of stolen money. In all other practical aspects only bad happened - money was stolen from individuals and used to buy up resources that would otherwise be available for real innovators and useful businesses that actually make peoples lives better.
> I don’t know what line of reasoning you are using when you say SpaceX and other private companies are “only private in name”.
I am using logic and just being completely honest with myself. SpaceX received billions in subsidies, and it is a business that completely relies on continuously flowing billions from government contracts. For all practical purposes it is a government funded and run business.
> AFAIK SpaceX is selling Starlink, mostly to non government entities, so there must be demand for it.
AFAIK SpaceX is a highly subsidised company, only really living off government contracts, selling Starlink equipment at a loss. Remove all of that and see how much the real costs would be and then see if there is still any demand left for it. I highly doubt it.
> I assume that if you’re writing long forms to discuss a matter, you must be trying to convince someone else that your ideas are “superior” to his/hers.
To be honest, I don’t really care if you or anyone else I correspond with is going to change their opinions. For me, it is more about putting the truth out there for people to see, and create some content for my followers to consume as well. Plus this kind of discussions also bring some (even if little) visibility and help new people to discover my account.
> I don’t think dissing one of a few “lucky draw” from government funding is a good idea either, there are way more obvious targets for that… like fiat healthcare, fiat food, etc.
First, I genuinely don’t think that SpaceX and Starlink are in any way a “lucky draw”. To me it’s just a waste of stolen resources on something that is largely useless to the humanity as a whole and by its nature is net negative as I explained before. Second, don’t worry, I will gladly dunk on other government fuelled destructive industries such as the ones you mentioned and others on top. It is just that I saw this particular discussion happening and decided to chime in with my 2 cents of truth and create a little bit of content for my followers, as I already mentioned before.
I completely support you on shrinking government 👍 Ideally, it should be shrunk until it disappears completely into the void.
What's the problem with starlink?
Once you realize Mars is on Devon island the grift becomes the achievement in itself.
well said. also, spacex ‘s achievements arent necessarily elons. a lot of it is just hiring excellent engineers
Problem is that neither of us gets to decide where our tax dollars (or magic printer dollars) are spent. Unless you just buckle down and vote harder I guess. You think the fine folks over at Raytheon have different incentives than we do? You think they have more political pull than we do?
False dichotomy. Let’s do neither. Let’s build a better financial system together. Our enemy is our egos, the man in the mirror.
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I don't believe that you have it right
✅ affinity for dogecoin
❎ most gov payments are government contracts, not subsidies
❎ most of SpaceX rockets don't blow up in the sky - look at the success of the Falcons
❎ space exploration is a noble and important goal, especially when done as a private enterprise
❓do you know their rockets won't take humanity to Mars?
Are you critical of the subsidies, rocket blowing up, or both?
From an engineering stand point this is expected. Errors always occur in complex systems.
The subsidies are the obvious problem, and their presence is why people deal with this insane and obviously pointless stupid waste as if it were some glorious accomplishment. Everything looks good when you don't have to pay for it!
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You are right. Launching a rocket in the sky is nothing new. NASA have done it so many times. Why are people getting excited. 😆
yah, and no one is complaining about pollution and co2 either but then Bitcoin is consuming too much energy. The show is really getting bizarre.
While i agree on the short term, it does seem wise to have a backup planet for humanity very long term
If it was wise you and people who agree with you would be paying for it willingly. That you need fiat scam subsidies says you don't really believe it. I don't believe it's worth it either.👍
Ok fair point.
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hey saif. one of govt’s functions (historically in the US) has always been to finance very long-term projects (multiple-generation) that free markets wouldn’t because they are uneconomical. I think most people would agree that there are projects out there that are uneconomical but still worth pursuing for the betterment of future generations. Not saying that going to mars is one of them, but I’m sure some people consider their tax dollars as willful payment for projects like this and others. Then it becomes a question of whether each individual feels represented by the people who allocate their tax dollars, and I think most people don’t believe they are. Do you think that this is the main problem? or do you think tax is theft? or do you disagree with the assumption that there exists uneconomical projects that are worth pursuing?
Tax is theft. If a project is worth pursuing, people will willingly pay to pursue it. If people won't willingly pay for it, then it's not worth pursuing. The examples of government funding long term projects are basically grifts that go nowhere.
But than aren’t a lot of people realizing that a project was worth pursuing in Hindsight?
So if it was worth it, but because they did not know before hand, they would never had have access to the benefits of it.
The moon landing is considered a great moment. (By many)
Paid for with tax dollars…
Most of our great landmarks were paid for by government.
Isn’t there a gray area?
The amount of people considering something a great moment is no justification to forcefully take someone else’s property. Just because you like something and consider it important doesn’t give you the justification to threaten me with violence to support it. Value is subjective. It is your responsibility to try and convince me to support your goals with my property voluntarily. In order to do so you have to convince me it’s in my self interest. If you fail to do so, I will not support you.
Thankfully bitcoin fixes this. And thankfully bitcoin doesn’t allow for a gray area.
Really? define "project is worth pursuing". Majority decides right? This majority: Majority of planet pursued their own torture and genocide, they were buying masks, tests and got vaccinated and died. Don't get me started on the great replacement, or green agenda the majority of planet also pursues. Your idiotic blabber was debunked.
People are stupid and they need moral leaders same as every species. Without it genocides continue until jews get what they want but you are brainwashed Libertarian marxist and don't understand any of that.
Tax is not theft. If it liquidates your living it's not tax. That's usury. Jews developed usury.
Not the majority decides, every single person is in charge of their money and can pick the project.
The majority was basically forced to buy masks, test and get the vaccine. Also if the numbers are right is the majority of mankind still alive. Maybe your definition of majority differs from mine (>50%), but what do I know.
They were forced by the same people that issue taxes.
The "moral leader" you want, shot himself in the head. Maybe you should follow his lead.
Taxes are the instrument that keep the powerhungry in power and the workers under control.
Don't take loans and you can't be the victim of usury. 🤷♂️
Ok sodomite globalist transmission liquid who doesn't understand what money is. Every single person is in charge of their social credit too, they uniqely own part of it BUT they do not control it.
Oh you were foooorced, cry moar fag. Excuses of mentally ill and demoralized. They are not victims. I was forced too faggot. But I didn't do it. Why? I am not retarded and I am not human scum. Proved people are not equal. There are people and then there are Untermenchen. Criminal act is criminal not his ordering. That is a different crime. Covidiots are fully responsible for their actions the worst will be executed and others interned masked and locked how they wanted.
Jews issue taxes fuckwit.
...because of what jews and bolsheviks were doing during entire war to german bodies, they defiled them same as Mussolini's body. Jews enjoy perversion, like you.
One leader might be dead, his legacy will live forever until more leaders are ready to act against degeneracy.
You are forced loans trough law by jews you fucking mental imbecile, jewish "taxes", jewish insurances. Everything in your country benefits jews not the people. Even your existence. Get help to detransition or KYS. You will never be WTF you think you are.
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can you talk without insults?
I'm sure that I have a good understanding of fiat.
Why do you bring social credit into the topic? I think social credit is a system only dictatorships use to see who is in line. You seem to be a fan of that!?!
Oh please enlighten me about what the jews did to German bodies, also try to explain it with facts and not speculations.
About me being trans:
Sure I will never be a biological male, I'm one of the few that is aware of this. I don't even want to go deeper into this topic. I'm pro free speech and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
You leader and his legacy:
A handful of people that prefer to blindly follow a hateful ideology instead of thinking for themselves. Maybe they are not smart enough to think for themselves?
Bla bla bla bla bla, poor woman mentally so weakminded that got brainwashed by jewish ideology to hate her own body projects hate on everyone else.
Masturbate on it you garbage.
Not clicking on the porn from your computer. It's probably illegal.
I don't masturbate very often, but thanks for your concern!
What porn Michelle?
National Socialists don't do porn, we are not jews or trannies who developed it.
again, not clicking on your porn
Preludes of utterly deranged women abominating tranny.
can you please come up with something new? it's getting boring.
You don't seem to understand that I am honestly interested in an open discussion on your world view. I don't want to mock you but you don't leave me a choice. I enjoyed 18 years of the good Christian Education/brainwashing. I'm trans, but I am rejecting the trans agenda that is going on in the world.
My idea of freedom might differ from yours, but I bet that there's common ground. Like the child grooming, I believe it's a crime! Just like you. So why in the world wouldn't you be willing to have a conversation without insults? I don't even mind if you start every reply with "Michele", I couldn't care less. 😆
I really did not expect that.
My worldview is National Socialism. The worldview someone like you can possibly only know jewish lies about from Holywood movies like I and most of it's people were too.
If you are interested to understand it watch this:
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You, as me and everyone educated in jewish school system have been thought only what can be called a
Judeo-Christianity a perversion of Christianity that I agree is brainwashing.
>I'm trans, but I am rejecting the trans agenda that is going on in the world.
This is one of the reasons I am not much interested to talk to you. That is absurd. As you refuse to admit (to yourself) being trans is not a choice but a product of transgender agenda Grooming.
You are 18 I guess? There was no transgender children 20 years ago as the agenda was not spread yet.
>Like the child grooming, I believe it's a crime! Just like you. So why in the world wouldn't you be willing to have a conversation without insults?
Is children watching porn or people having sex in public grooming/demoralization? Yes . Killing people? Yes. Looking at naked people? Yes. Looking at naked pedos? Yes. But so is looking at transgender people sodomizing themselves and that being normalized everywhere. Why? because children are mouldable and repeat everything. This is the jewish agenda. This is what jews did in Weimar republic. This is why NS came to be.
>I don't even mind if you start every reply with "Michele", I couldn't care less.
It's your birth name. Isn't it? It's certainly not Mike.
Being political impartial makes both sides hate me, I understand that and accept it.
>This is one of the reasons I am not much interested to talk to you. That is absurd. As you refuse to admit (to yourself) being trans is not a choice but a product of transgender agenda Grooming.
You are right, it's not a choice, but in my case there was no grooming. My parents are religious nutheads that tried everything to "cure" me after my coming out. It didn't work and they kicked me out on my 18th birthday. That leads to your next assumption:
>You are 18 I guess? There was no transgender children 20 years ago as the agenda was not spread yet.
I'm older, but that doesn't matter. Transgenderism is mentioned in some very old books. Even the Qur'an mentions it. So your statement is wrong. But I agree with you that there are groomers out there that need to be stopped.
>Is children watching porn or people having sex in public grooming/demoralization? Yes . Killing people? Yes. Looking at naked people? Yes. Looking at naked pedos? Yes. But so is looking at transgender people sodomizing themselves and that being normalized everywhere. Why? because children are mouldable and repeat everything. This is the jewish agenda. This is what jews did in Weimar republic. This is why NS came to be.
Yes, those things shouldn't be done in public. The killing not at all, that's why I don't get why you praise the NS-regime.
>It's your birth name. Isn't it? It's certainly not Mike.
Both are not my birth names.
Just a little feedback here. I did some chapter hopping in the film. It's quite interesting that you acknowledge that the central banks are a huge pain in the ass for humanity. The power needs to be taken away from them, and it doesn't really matter who runs them. The whole system is doomed to fail and bring new wars.
Fix the money fix the world.
I'll keep watching even tho there is a major flaw, the length 😆
I don't know if you care about my feedback, just trying to show that I am not just trolling here.
NS nor me never did nor want to run central banks. Money/currency has and can't have any value. It's means of excahnge for work. That has to be stable. Currency by it's definition must be centralized to a politically bounded territory controlled by the people for their benefit. Any kind of crypto bullshit is global money that jews want. It's one central bank rebranded. What you want with your crypto dream is that you buy something from someone who buys devalued crypto and you sell it when it's high and people get devalued "money" again. That is gambling and usury. (((WEF's))) goal is to destory cash and use any digital means including BTC. You and Nostrtards are sadly playing in their hands with your cognitive dissonance.
Ok. It's the jews. How about that for a length? Learning it's the jews requires research and unlearning lies. One does not get knowledge from repetition. Every idiot can do that even animals and academics. Knowledge requires criticism and revisionism. That's what the films do, to all are sources in last episodes.
I am honestly surprised.
You seem to be against global monopoly and globalization and proponent of freedom. But to have that people need to protect what's theirs. That means Nation.
How does an intenational element destory a Nation?
You destroy/make obsolete it's values that safeguard it:
Family.
Language.
Culture.
Race.
Currency.
Laws/Government.
All 6 have been in dissolution since french revolution. With lies about global freedom, equality and brotherhood. Global Communism.
Without those you can forget freedom. Everyone will come and go and take what they want. Or you can call it absolute freedom. Problem is many people ignore that means freedom for lowlife Untermenchen: pedophiles, murderers rapists etc as well.
You don't have to convince me that Klausi is a moron. I'm with you on that. 😆
The message was the Lenin bust Proving NWO is JWO communism. As many idiots tend to call it "Nazi" NWO.
The WEF has it's puppets in all political parties, but yes, it sounds a lot like communism. No need to argue here.
You have wrong perception of Communism as all normies without knowledge of jewish power. People believe in right or capitalism. But Capitalism was found by jew Rothschild same as Communism by jew Marx. Capitalism merely draw inner elements of Marxism. In the end it's 2 sides of same coin — divide et impera. Can explain on examples later if you wish. People also believe MSM narrative that NS and Fascism too are "far-right" they aren't. Parties are purely jewish constructs created after jews overthrew Monarchies. With parties, real and direct democracy isn't even possible. That is why Hitler planned dissolving NSDAP. NS is for electing leaders not political scum that serves the same master. Parties only divide peope. Neither left nor right understands they live in a lie so is entire society based on lies and neither side knows truth. Thus ony NS is viable alternative as it draws on natural laws. Thus it's outlawed in entire Europe.
Your freedom ends where someone else's freedom starts. For people that can't stick to that simple rule there should still be punishments/laws.
We don't need to argue about murders or rapists, they should instantly lose all their rights.
Very well, that is hate. A feeling. Hate towards degeneracy and evil. But I am not labeling you "hateful" for it. The liberals think they can committ evil crimes which is not hateful according to them and then label you hateful. That's perversion. So you are not completely gone. Freedom is also abused term. Liberals fallacioussly argue pedos have freedom to rape and children freedom to decide.
The liberals are wrong here, again common ground. Sexual offenders are the lowest of society, they should not be tolerated. One of the reasons why I don't walk around waving a trans flag, the direction this community is going only leads to hate towards them.
I can't change that I am trans, but I can still fight against their views. I said it before and I will say it again, there's no trans genocide.
There I am, liberals hate me for speaking of the dangerous movement and the right wingers hate me cause I am trans 😆
It's fun to be me, but I don't see myself as a victim.
NS are not rightwingers. We don't actually hate you as I explained, we are your only chance ever getting help that liberals don't even want discussed. You are not trans. You have mental disorder that's fixable and I don't mean killing yourself now.
Haha, as I mentioned already, my parents tried to cure me. Sending me from one shrink to another. The also sent me off to a bible camp for a year. I don't have any mental disorders that could be cured.
I don't need anyone's help, I just need to be left alone to do my thing.
You keep repeating the same phrases over and over, it's almost like you have been brainwashed. Maybe you need some help.
Btw. it's getting absolutely cramped in the thread, should we switch to DM? I can't tell if you answered somewhere else.
Additionally you should notice this is authoritarianism. You subconsciously realize some people recognize that and some don't. Thus people are naturally not equal and if we want freedom and working society it needs to reflect that. The very nature of Judaism stands against nature and unchangable principles. Meaning mentally disordered people can't run countries. Which is why they apoint such.
the problem is that only people with mental issues want to run a country. If you are smart you can make more money in the economy than in politics. That leaves the positions in the government to mostly failed personalities. There are of course exceptions, but they still get dragged down with their co-rulers.
Dictators also have mental issues, but at least they figured out how to make money with it.
That truly is problem. True leaders are rare, but it's just a matter of time. Exactly this happens when you violate natural order in society starting from person's own identity.
Dictators? Generalization fallacy. Surely some are. But most people pictured as dictators I remember were falsely accused for propaganda of ((("democracy"))) worship. Lets say Putin, WEF Young global leader and rightwingers new pet "savior". He is just a KGB communist puppet run by Chabad and similar kosher lobbies.
can you define natural order?
to me, the ones that survive best under a set of given circumstances that they can't influence, are the top of the natural order.
like two people on a deserted island, one a handyman, the other an eye doctor. I know who I would bet my money on (just an expression, I don't gamble). But in central Europe the handyman might struggle more to get by.
No that's not natural order. You confused it with survival of the fittest that is natural balance mechanism. Like covidiots killing themselves with masks test and vax.
Natural order is not anyones ideology or opinion. Natural order comes from nature and unchangebale permanent laws of nature and biological identity. Men do not give birth, Women don't have enough muscle mass to lift heavy objects don't have generally hight as men, political parties do not come from nature but from jews, recognizing races their differences, strengths and weaknesses is not "racism" but a racialism (love of races). Asians are servile they couldn't resist masks and social credit while European spirit excerted major resistance in just 2 years. Africans are better runners then Europeans, they are biologically acustomed to it. Germanic and Northern Aryan people are most Intelligent race responsible for inventions humanity couldn't imagine living today. Idiots and psychopaths can't vote.
Only around unchangeable structures a functioning society can be organized. NS is not and ideology but as you correctly noticed worldview based on those laws. The Judaism on the other hand is based on anti-nature and everything that destroys and perverts natural order because jews worship Satan/Baal/Moloch/Baphomet. Race mixing genocides races, (that's racism) crypto destroys currency, transgenderism destorys biological identity. Parties destroy order in social life. It's really not complicated.
Mankind came up with religion and with Satan, I already explained to you that I just see those as fictional characters. People could not explain things they have witnessed and came up with gods as the only possible explanation. Of course it's everyone's personal choice to believe in a god or multiple gods. If people want to waste their time worshipping a fantasy being so be it.
Mankind also changed nature and it will continue doing so. It doesn't matter if you can lift heavier items than I can, we have invented the tools so that I could move tons of items with just my fingertips.
I guess that you are aware that "Aryan" means civilised and free. It isn't attached to any ethnicity. It's being first used in the Persian area. Imo the term is outdated. Also a group of people who brought absolute chaos over their own civilization should not be called Aryan. Also the outcome of what the so called last Aryans produced had nothing to do with freedom (iron curtain, cold war). I know that in your head that was the product of the Jewish overlords.
What I am trying to say is that nature's laws still applies, but humanity is breaking up those borders. Of course there are things we can't change, like that woman are the only ones to get pregnant. I'm sure someone is working on that too. 🤷♂️
Soon people will leave this planet to explore more of the laws of nature and find ways to soften them.
Do you really want to abolish all the advancements just to live by the laws of nature? Do you want your child to die because of a simple infection that could be cured with three pills? Of course, all the advancements of the last centuries bring a lot of ethical questions. Those should be addressed and openly discussed. But if there's a chance of making life easier we should take it. Like nuclear power, it's a clean way of providing the energy we need. It also carries dangers, but I am pro nuclear power.
I didn't make arguments about what satan is or isn't to (((Mankind))) . Satan is jewish god that is scientific fact. Read Talmud. Or just see for yourself. https://www.eutimes.net/2019/10/2000-year-old-satanist-torah-discovered-in-turkey-after-police-arrests-smugglers/
I am talking about Natural laws. Horse changed nature too.
>We have invented the tools so that I could move tons of items with just my fingertips.
And?
>I guess that you are aware that "Aryan" means civilised and free.
No. It doesn't. https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Aryan
>Also a group of people who brought absolute chaos over their own civilization should not be called Aryan.
What are you talking about? Jews are not called Aryan LOL.
>Also the outcome of what the so called last Aryans produced had nothing to do with freedom (iron curtain, cold war). I know that in your head that was the product of the Jewish overlords.
Iron curtain and Berlin Wall were built by communists that is factum. Jews found communism— factum.
>What I am trying to say is that nature's laws still applies, but humanity is breaking up those borders.
Humanity? Any proof to generalization fallacy? No. Jews and stupidized Uuntermenschen.
Of course there are things we can't change, like that woman are the only ones to get pregnant. I'm sure someone is working on that too. And that someone needs to be executed for playing God that you so much claim to despise.
>Soon people will leave this planet to explore more of the laws of nature and find ways to soften them.
Yes. You only leave planet dead. Space travel believer I see. Wonder how did you verify that.
Do you really want to abolish all the advancements just to live by the laws of nature?
What an oxymoron. Living by laws of nature brough you your advancements. Cound things around you Made in germany by Germans. Remove it. You are in cave.
>Do you want your child to die because of a simple infection that could be cured with three pills?
And a infection myth, germ theory hoax, and snale oil (((salesmen))) believer. You miss a lot of my posts on Fedi.
Infection doesn't kill. Infection is healing reaction of body. Pills (petroleum) doesn't "cure" it drugs/poiosns and body has to heal twice. Once from the "disease" and once from the pills. Body heals/ "cures" itself. Jewish pharmakeia/alopathic medicine is fraud not science.
Also pro Nuclear power, however dangers is a lie too. https://odysee.com/@LawfulRebel:0b/the-nuclear-scare-hoax-galen-winsor:d
The Talmud is written by people, just like lord of the rings or any other fictional story. Even if I read it it would not change my mind that there is no Satan or God.
I don't think that I will live long enough to actually witness space travel that should not be classed as trial. So you might be right with the dead thing 🤷♂️
Nature gave us a brain powerful enough to "break" the laws of nature. I think that this extents the boundaries of those laws big time.
So you don't believe in germs and viruses? Please don't start with covid, most people realised that it was made bigger than it was. Natural medicine (plants and stuff) was used long before the overlords took over.
I joined fedi once, but being open about being trans didn't really work out over there 😆
Nuclear power has it's dangers, we still can measure the nuclear fallout from Chernobyl in the forests of East Germany, we did that in school. Yes I am German.
Tho modern nuclear reactors are on a different level, the dangers have reduced a lot.
I don't care changing your mind. Truth stands on it's own. You are not paying attention. I didn't say that, I simply argumented that that is verifiable fact of what jews believe and 90% upwards acts like it. Tell that to them. Will see what they call you.
>Nature gave us a brain powerful enough to "break" the laws of nature. I think that this extents the boundaries of those laws big time.
No, that violates the boundries. That is psychopathy only human is capable not animal. That's difference between NS and Judaism and it's children ideologies. Judaism exploits what you criticize on "humanity" and plays God. NS brings humanity in accordance with nature.
False dychotomy. Germ theory of disease means lie that germs cause disease. I DON'T DENY THEY EXIST. You are the only believer here. You believe in viruses. I did and can scientifically refute no one ever proved/even disproved they exist and certain group outright made it up as a business model.
I joined fedi once, but being open about being trans didn't really work out over there 😆
Not sure how all big instances love trannies and defederate their critics.
Maybe don't identify yourself with the degenerate groomers and start calling your condition what it is.
>Nuclear power has it's dangers, we still can measure the nuclear fallout from Chernobyl in the forests of East Germany, we did that in school.
No, we can't or rather it's harmless. Something beeping isn't scientific proof of "danger" or anything really. Healthy people always lived in Chernobyl. MSM doesn't write about that. They stayed there and didn't grow second head. Myth of "danger" refuted. You can go there nothing happens. What happens is they will force you out. Trees and animals never stopped growing and never left from there. alos no 2 heads. That isn't possible with mainstream claims of conveniently invisible "mortal danger". You must believe all of this. But it doesn't require thinking. You might ask why would anyone do it. You again come short knowing only history written by (((victors))) Connect the dots. What's happening past decades on Ukraine? https://void.cat/d/LAKJj3n6KhEYSSvG6QLN6C.webp
Certain "fellow white" group that has time of generations to plan because religion is beyond one generation, clearly wanted that territory to be clean from white Ukrainians. What used to be on that territory? Khazarian kaganate of jewish converts. There you go motive. They have all the means too.
>Yes I am German.
Despite mental disorder I suspected so. Grow you hair. Read Mein Kampf in original. Germans need you even more.
>I don't care changing your mind. Truth stands on it's own. You are not paying attention. I didn't say that, I simply argumented that that is verifiable fact of what jews believe and 90% upwards acts like it. Tell that to them. Will see what they call you.
Of course Jews believe in the Talmud, just like Christians believe in the bible, or Muslims in the Qur'an. There are people believing in the matrix as a modern adaptation of the story of Jesus.
>No, that violates the boundries.
Who sets those boundaries?
>You are the only believer here. You believe in viruses. I did and can scientifically refute no one ever proved/even disproved they exist and certain group outright made it up as a business model.
I'd really love to invite you to a laboratory in my home town. They prepare different virus samples for you. You can watch them slowly die (depending on your definition of life) under the microscope.
>Not sure how all big instances love trannies and defederate their critics.
Maybe don't identify yourself with the degenerate groomers and start calling your condition what it is.
As you might have noticed by now, I'm actually listening to my critis. I also pointed out that I am against child grooming in any form. I would also make a bet that the biggest groomers that are misusing the trans community for their disgusting work are not even trans.
>No, we can't or rather it's harmless. Something beeping isn't scientific proof of "danger" or anything really.
So you are saying that radiation burn isn't a real thing? My home town isn't that far away from a former uranium mine. The spikes in cancer deaths (mostly miners and their families) in those years are also a hoax made by Jews? With what intention? The mines were not profitable and only kept open to feed the Soviets.
>Despite mental disorder I suspected so. Grow you hair. Read Mein Kampf in original. Germans need you even more.
The book is actually on my list for this year's holiday. Just haven't found a kindle version. I don't see how it helps Germany since I moved away.
And no, not letting my hair grow! SKINHEAD FOR LIFE!!! 😆
Great you acknowledge Jews believe in the Talmud, few goyim red though, it commands them to enslave and kill goyim and preaches jewish supremacy.
>Who sets those boundaries?
You said. "this extents the boundaries" That is same psychothyc as "pedophilia extents boundries of sexuality". Nature does. Man can not be above nature that he doesn't even understand. Only jew thinks so and psychopaths.
>I'd really love to invite you to a laboratory in my home town. They prepare different virus samples for you. You can watch them slowly die (depending on your definition of life) under the microscope.
It goes into counts of hundreads I heard the Ad laboratorio (ad populum) fallacy.
https://void.cat/d/9kAPKp1v7AE9M4c39fPvJu.webp
They prepare shit. Literally. The "slow dying" is called CPE. Virus doesn't have to be presnt for it. Their shit manages just that. In no phase of that experiment is the alleged "virus" shown. https://drtomcowan.com/blogs/blog/statement-on-virus-isolation-sovi
https://viroliegy.com/2021/09/19/what-do-virologists-mean-by-isolation/
>As you might have noticed...
You are first in my 3 year experience.
>So you are saying that radiation burn isn't a real thing? My home town isn't that far away from a former uranium mine. The spikes in cancer deaths (mostly miners and their families) in those years are also a hoax made by Jews? With what intention? The mines were not profitable and only kept open to feed the Soviets.
I like how these are versatile https://void.cat/d/KjE56nZ1PNzMDZxbnxxQxR.webp
>The book is actually on my list for this year's holiday. Just haven't found a kindle version. I don't see how it helps Germany since I moved away.
That is fine. You can help Dutch people. You are still European. Forget kindle shit. Hope you are aware of the censored translations. Only read original German text it's on webarchive. MK is free.
"Skinheads" are "neonazi" culture — jewish construct mainly trough various gangs. https://momentmag.com/the-jewish-history-of-punk/
>You said. "this extents the boundaries" That is same psychothyc as "pedophilia extents boundries of sexuality". Nature does. Man can not be above nature that he doesn't even understand. Only jew thinks so and psychopaths.
Pedophilia is wrong, that is out of question. Any kind of sexual contact without consent is a boundary. Not because it's a law of nature, it is because humans are able to understand what it does to the victim.
But should we not advance in technology and maybe even gene research? Should we not try to cure cancer once and for all? Of course you might be able to use that research also to create something that causes a fast killing cancer. But that should be the real challenge, the moral responsibility. The knowledge that we are better than animals and should act accordingly.
>It goes into counts of hundreads I heard the Ad laboratorio (ad populum) fallacy.
They prepare shit. Literally. The "slow dying" is called CPE. Virus doesn't have to be presnt for it. Their shit manages just that. In no phase of that experiment is the alleged "virus" shown.
No, CPE is the damage a virus causes in a cell, or how it's measured.
The virus is shown, I'd even pay for you to see it with your own eyes.
>You are first in my 3 year experience.
There's always a first time for everything. And again, you answering my questions is amazing! It's also the first time for me to get a deep dive into your "ideology".
Btw, if you have any questions just ask. But I can only speak for myself and not for the so called trans community.
>So you are saying that radiation burn isn't a real thing? My home town isn't that far away from a former uranium mine. The spikes in cancer deaths (mostly miners and their families) in those years are also a hoax made by Jews? With what intention? The mines were not profitable and only kept open to feed the Soviets.
I don't understand your answer to this, it's not a virus.
>That is fine. You can help Dutch people. You are still European. Forget kindle shit. Hope you are aware of the censored translations. Only read original German text it's on webarchive. MK is free.
I love the size of the reader. not many know that you can upload your own files on it, you just need the text from somewhere 🤷♂️
>"Skinheads" are "neonazi" culture — jewish construct mainly trough various gangs
Oh, the old fairytale of the nazi skinhead. They do exist, but they let their hair grow quickly after they learn that it used to be a black youth culture from Jamaica. 😆
I actually am in the great position to have skinhead friends (guess why I am shaving my head). It's fun to hang out with them, they are loud and look dangerous. But in reality they are nice guys that just have a bad taste in clothing 😆
>Any kind of sexual contact without consent is a boundary.
Who made that boundary? 😆 Even animals recognize that because it's nature. Big elephant doesn't try to have sex with elephant baby. It's an instinct and empathy. Psychopaths don't have that.
>But should we not advance in technology and maybe even gene research?
Glad you mention it. Another thing you never verified. Stop you right there, Genes don't exist either. https://poa.st/objects/be0eab08-aeab-456c-84a3-f709ff863df0
No one knows how heredity works. It's human to explore, to abuse is another thing.
80% of modern biology was developed by Rockefellers. (bored to remind their race) and is unscientific including cancer being disease. Already told you there is no such thing as a "cure". That's marketing word.
Diseases don't exist. There inly allostasis. Cancer is not disease but a reaction, removal of toxins. It's chemo-holokaust that kills not cancer. You will love which race is responsible for that. https://web.archive.org/web/20190116084232/https://www.psiram.com/de/index.php/Ryke_Geerd_Hamer_und_Antisemitismus#cite_note-3
"one with the Germanic New Medicine - only for Jews, with which one survives cancer to 99%, and
a 98% fatal chemo-therapy torture - for gentiles only, with only 2% of patients surviving."
You are arguing something I never disputed.
>Should we not try to cure cancer once and for all?
Chasing red herring.
>Of course you might be able to use that research also to create something that causes a fast killing cancer. But that should be the real challenge, the moral responsibility. The knowledge that we are better than animals and should act accordingly.
False dilemma.
>No, CPE is the damage a virus causes in a cell, or how it's measured.
How did you verify something else doesn't cause CPE? Who decides "how it's measured"? Certainly not scientific method that requires control experiment which they don't do because it refutes that assumption. https://poa.st/objects/ffaa395e-3faa-4fdf-94b4-1e3bb081386f You don't understand at all what are you talking about. It's all on that site refuted with their own sources.
>The virus is shown, I'd even pay for you to see it with your own eyes.
That would be easy money for me, thing is you have burden of proof and you will get paid. https://samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/
https://viroliegy.com/category/no-virus-challenge/ right after you PROVE what no one have yet, because it can't be. I know what you think "virus" looks like. How did you verify it's the alleged "virus" with scientific method when no one isolated it and shown to cause the alleged symptoms?
It's virologists themselved who admit they never isolated a "virus" but usually only when you send them legally binding FOI. I don't need to refute further. https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/
>Btw, if you have any questions just ask. But I can only speak for myself and not for the so called trans community.
When you grow your hair.
>I don't understand your answer to this, it's not a virus.
Ad hoc fallacy
>I love the size of the reader. not many know that you can upload your own files on it, you just need the text from somewhere 🤷♂️
Don't follow, what reader?
There are many subcultures identifying as skinheads. Gangs. That's exactly the problem. There are also those that call themselves Nazi but only know them trough jewish Holywood and you should know then they are not NS, often too stupid to understand it, but help demonize it and play political theater. https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Skinhead_subculture
Not everyone with shaved head is a "skinhead".
If you though I am going to cut you I am. With logical razors. My ideology can be summed up—Shall not committ logical fallacy, you should pratice that.
Some of your razors are dull from my point of view. Sure there are things we agree on.
But calling everything a logical fallacy that doesn't fit in your world view is more of a philosophical stance than it is scientific. You are even denying things that were acknowledged by Third Reich scientists. Of course people make mistakes, but I try to understand science (it's not a question of believe).
I also don't want to talk you out of your world view. Again I can't stress enough how I appreciate every answer you give.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Logical_razor can't be dull.
But calling everything a logical fallacy that doesn't fit in your world view is more of a philosophical stance than it is scientific.
That is again projecting fallacy. The logic is very definition od scientific. Explain me how is it logical that scientists can do science when they are noth though logic in school? Logic says they can't, that if they do it's not science but idiocy, dilletantism and fruad.
Go to that school you mentioned, Faculty of Logic. Ask them if you are right. When you argue about logic rational discussin ended.
>You are even denying things that were acknowledged by Third Reich scientists. Of course people make mistakes, but I try to understand science (it's not a question of believe).
You mean germ theory of disease? That only serves in my favor, you can see NS is not about blind following and appeal to authority fallacy. The authority is truth. They were wrong, there were even many traitors Hitler discoverd later. His own doctor was a quack and outright imbecile. Hitler was not God, just a painter. He couldn't do everything and there wasn't as many quality people aroun dhim. Despite, he didn't realize that what German doctors were thought was all dictated by jewish Rockefellers and little to do with science, he tried the best that was in his abilities.
You wouldn't find this in the MSM today.
https://void.cat/d/DVBAJj4N5jdTEgyuqqqenK.webp
If you tried to understand science, tha first principle is question everything. But you didn't read criticims of virology or genomic despite not studying it yourself. You wan to tell me that is not fallacious and mere belief?
>I also don't want to talk you out of your world view.
That is not possible. It's nothing wrong on it. It comes from human perfection itself, reason, logic truth. That's why our ranks can only increase while ranks of nature perverting and inhuman ideologies like communism and liberalism decrease ech year as jews make more and mmore mistakes. No one who becomes NS leaves. That doesn't happen.
“One does not become a National Socialist. One only discovers, sooner or later, that one has always been one.” -Savitri Devi
Also you might hate it, but men just don't write the way you do. You are a tipical women everyone seeing the writing style can tell.
>Who made that boundary? 😆 Even animals recognize that because it's nature.
Not true. It's rare but it exists. It has been witnessed in sheep, wolves and dogs. Also dolphins are serial rapists.
>Glad you mention it. Another thing you never verified. Stop you right there, Genes don't exist either.
You really believe that? I think we can skip this topic then.
>"one with the Germanic New Medicine - only for Jews, with which one survives cancer to 99%, and a 98% fatal chemo-therapy torture - for gentiles only, with only 2% of patients surviving."
How do the toxins know who is the jew and who isn't? Do they ask you before? Do they check your genealogy? That doesn't make sense!
>How did you verify something else doesn't cause CPE? Who decides "how it's measured"? Certainly not scientific method that requires control experiment which they don't do because it refutes that assumption.
You understand everything? Where did you learn all that?
I admit that I did not study biology or medicine.
>The virus is shown, I'd even pay for you to see it with your own eyes.
>That would be easy money for me, thing is you have burden of proof and you will get paid.
No, I'm not paying you, I'm paying for you to see it.
>When you grow your hair.
Idk, I can't say never.
>Ad hoc fallacy
A bit too easy, I asked about radiation and you answered with a virus.
>I love the size of the reader. not many know that you can upload your own files on it, you just need the text from somewhere 🤷♂️
>Don't follow, what reader?
Kindle, but it doesn't matter.
>Not everyone with shaved head is a "skinhead".
True.
>Not true. It's rare but it exists. It has been witnessed in sheep, wolves and dogs. Also dolphins are serial rapists.
Blabber. You have proof, did you verify that? or TV told you?
>You really believe that? I think we can skip this topic then.
Projecting and ad lapidem. You believe it and have no arguments.
>How do the toxins know who is the jew and who isn't? Do they ask you before? Do they check your genealogy? That doesn't make sense!
What? You clearly didn't read it like any virlogy study either.
>You understand everything? Where did you learn all that?
I admit that I did not study biology or medicine.
https://void.cat/d/FQx3rquice8VKz885rNEUt.webp
Of course not. You learn a lot in 3 years when someone tries to torture you not allow you to enter shop to buy food for filthy shekels and inject poisons into you. Knowledge is power. I can assure you doctors don't even read those studies. You went to school didn't you? You must know how it goes their. Do students question what teacher preaches or is that a taboo and such student would be mocked and pushed out of collective? That's not education that is indoctrination. Repetition doesn't require inteligence. Good recommended https://liberdon.com/users/akeno/statuses/107354339566570479 This only requires basic logic and analitical and critical thinking. It's science. If it's not verifiable and reproducible it's fraud.... and I don't spend time on being distracted by agenda against my own biology.
>I'm paying for you to see it.
You assume it, have no arguments, no proof, and at this point you ignore the criticism of virology that exists since it's inception.
Idk, I can't say never.
looking forward.
>A bit too easy, I asked about radiation and you answered with a virus.
No. You made ad hoc fallacy, you merely changed premise of "virus" for radiation. I did not research on radiation hoax as much, but me unable to answer that doesn't make your fallacy a valid argument. "Cancers" are widespread thanks to vaccines and Bigpharma, correlation doesn't imply causation in science, only in religion.
>Kindle, but it doesn't matter.
Well IDK how that works but hearing kindle Iassume paid crap. I just wanted to point out that only a jew cashes shekels on digital copies of MK.
Everything Hitler had, he left in his testament to the Party and copyright is the Volk.
>Blabber. You have proof, did you verify that? or TV told you?
again, TV doesn't tell me shit cause I ain't watching. I like to read. And yes, I also read things that are way out of my world view.
So, of course I haven't seen a sheep fucking a lamb. But I also never have see a bear in the wild, does that mean they only exist in Zoos? Or do I believe the witnesses that did and then combine it with the knowledge that all Zoo animals have to come from somewhere.
Would you believe it if you see the lamb suffering? Would you believe in a virus that you can see under a microscope with your own eyes?
>Projecting and ad lapidem. You believe it and have no arguments.
Do I really need to present you a link to a source? I'm sure you know most of them but reject them. Do you want links to the Nature magazine?
>How do the toxins know who is the jew and who isn't? Do they ask you before? Do they check your genealogy? That doesn't make sense!
>What? You clearly didn't read it like any virlogy study either.
I was referring to your chemotherapy claim.
>You understand everything? Where did you learn all that?
>I admit that I did not study biology or medicine.
That's not a problem. I'm in a very different field as well.
>Of course not. You learn a lot in 3 years when someone tries to torture you not allow you to enter shop to buy food for filthy shekels and inject poisons into you. Knowledge is power. I can assure you doctors don't even read those studies.
We all went through this.
Most doctors don't read those studies cause you have to dig deep to find them. As your link tree showed there was two main stream media articles on the inaccuracies of DNA samples (Yes, I actually look at the texts you send. I don't click on images tho.). That's how science works, you create a theory and then work your way along it for the proof. In some cases you reach a dead end (string theory 😆 sorry dear physicists). In other cases you confirm it but also show the limits of the real life value.
>You went to school didn't you? You must know how it goes their. Do students question what teacher preaches or is that a taboo and such student would be mocked and pushed out of collective? That's not education that is indoctrination. Repetition doesn't require inteligence. Good recommended https://liberdon.com/users/akeno/statuses/107354339566570479 This only requires basic logic and analitical and critical thinking. It's science. If it's not verifiable and reproducible it's fraud.... and I don't spend time on being distracted by agenda against my own biology.
Yes, I went to school. Yes, I was mocked and not part of the collective (even before my coming out). I had teachers that welcomed critical thinking and teachers that kicked me out of class for it.
There are two kinds of logic, formal and informal. I like to think that I am decent on formal logic, that might explain some shortcomings on the informal logic.
>You assume it, have no arguments, no proof, and at this point you ignore the criticism of virology that exists since it's inception.
I looked at the criticism (see one of my earlier comments). It's exactly what you call it, criticism, no proof.
>looking forward.
😆 I bet you do, but it might take a few years. Right now I really enjoy my no fuss hairstyle.
>A bit too easy, I asked about radiation and you answered with a virus.
> "Cancers" are widespread thanks to vaccines and Bigpharma, correlation doesn't imply causation in science, only in religion.
Since when do wild animals get vaccines? Cancer isn't just a human problem.
>Well IDK how that works but hearing kindle Iassume paid crap. I just wanted to point out that only a jew cashes shekels on digital copies of MK.
Everything Hitler had, he left in his testament to the Party and copyright is the Volk.
Of course you pay for the device and the books, but you can also send free ebooks to it. I just love it because of its portability. And if you go on holiday you don't want to take heavy books with, or at least I don't want. Imo one of the best inventions for people who read a lot.
This is getting hopeless. You claim to read but do you realize you have not got familiar with any arguments presented to your belief that you see your alleged unicorns under microscope, since you didn't how do you know it's not correct? That is ad ignorantiam.
>Do I really need to present you a link to a source? I'm sure you know most of them but reject them. Do you want links to the Nature magazine?
You think this is logical? Statement without proof is not argument but blabber. Of course you do, for argument's sake, you have burden of proof! I would quickly show you what you believe is proof in fact isn't. Since you don't allow that i accurately said you are making fallacy against Popper's Razor. I actually know all of them and they are all refuted as having no base in scientific method, and reject them because they are invalid. Question is why you want to neither proof what you claim (truth can be proven, lies can't) neither you want to hear arguments of critics how and where are virologists wrong or outright lie, nor you want to adrees them?
>I was referring to your chemotherapy claim.
But incorrectly. You made strawman about how "toxins know about jews". Article didn't claim that. You couldn't read it. I though you speak German, I have a translation if you need.
>We all went through this.
yet majority of "resistance" doesn't understand anything because of mass stupidization.
>Most doctors don't read those studies cause you have to dig deep to find them. As your link tree showed there was two main stream media articles on the inaccuracies of DNA samples (Yes, I actually look at the texts you send. I don't click on images tho.). That's how science works, you create a theory and then work your way along it for the proof.
Really!? But you apparently click on a lot of images that claim to be of a "virus".
No. They don't read them because they don't understand them, as they use them as arguments. That's idiocy.
And innacuracy is proof of existence? Not proof of unreproducibility which means not science? Doesn't bother you? Proof is something accurate and repeatable/verifiable.
>In some cases you reach a dead end (string theory 😆 sorry dear physicists). In other cases you confirm it but also show the limits of the real life value.
You are derailing into theoretical generalization blabber again. You really don't bother with burden of proof do you? Hilarious jokes you tell yourself where no corruption happens. A corruption denier I could call you.
>Yes, I went to school. Yes, I was mocked and not part of the collective (even before my coming out). I had teachers that welcomed critical thinking and teachers that kicked me out of class for it.
There are two kinds of logic, formal and informal. I like to think that I am decent on formal logic, that might explain some shortcomings on the informal logic.
Wasn't talking about mocking for social traits, but mocking someone who would ask a professor for proof of his claims about the thought subject AKA criticising authority of teacher...
How can you not see then you are making fallacies?
You should have no problem writing your arguments formally then, no way they would come out valid. That is scientific method - control experiment. Popper's razor principle on control that the methodology used doesn't create the desired effect. What virologists don't do for good reason.
I have to sadly tell you, you would Fail 1st semester of Logic, because I had to pass it.
>I looked at the criticism (see one of my earlier comments). It's exactly what you call it, criticism, no proof.
Irrelevant, that was about differnt topic, you did not look because you are not adressing any of the arguments. Like explaining this:
https://void.cat/d/64iDWzeLawa91KT5JJ2Qg1.webp
So, blunt ad ignorantiam again. You want proof from me to nonexistence, that is logical fallacy as well. I am not asking you to proof nonexistence of God either. I am not making statements "viruses" or "genes" exist, you do. You don't understand difference between refuting—showing proof doesn't exist (contained in critical analysis by own contradictory statements of virologists even) & your burden of proof.
>😆 I bet you do, but it might take a few years. Right now I really enjoy my no fuss hairstyle.
Better start ASAP then.
>Since when do wild animals get vaccines? Cancer isn't just a human problem.
"...and Bigpharma" !!, Strawman again you are not focusing. Wild animals wasn't an argument, people were, but be it. Do they also not get sweet treats of ex. chemical spills?
>Imo one of the best inventions for people who read a lot.
I just don't read on holiday. Waste of time not seeing places.
As you have noticed correctly, I didn't bring any proof of my claims. Why? I don't want to disprove you! I don't need to disprove you, it doesn't give me any advantage for my life.
All the questions I am asking I ask out of curiosity, that's how you learn.
Of course I could send you links to a badly formated Wikipedia article but what would that matter to both of us? I can Google the origin of viruses only to find three or four different theories of which none has a legitimate proof. Does that help me to understand how you think? No, it just shows me what the majority of scientists think. I'm not interested in that, I'm interested in you.
If I keep asking "stupid" questions and make "stupid" comparisons (just like your mars alien btw.) it's just to maybe get some information formed in your own words and not a link to a website.
About the mars alien, it could be theory number 5 🤷♂️, we would still call it a virus. Why? Because everyone knows the term, even you as a denier knows what is referred to. that's what we once called it, we will still call it that even if we find out that they're mushrooms or little robots.
Personal question, if I may. You say that you don't have time to read on holiday because you prefer to look at places. Are the places you visit related to the NS history? I heard that Danzig is place often visited. Not sure if it's true.
I read a lot. There's also a lot of nonsense that I read. Books where I think that I lost some brain cells while reading. I gave myself a strict timetable for the day, my alarm goes off at 5:30. Even on Sundays. I get ready and have a coffee and read for an hour. Then it's either time for uni or the office. At six I'm mostly back home and read while eating. At 9pm I don't touch any electronics anymore.
So I usually don't get much time to read, on holiday I don't go with my strict timetable and take the time for my friends are reading till after midnight. TV plays little to no role in my life, that's why it's gonna take me a few weeks to get through the film you linked 😆
Again, I'm sorry for not bringing proof of anything I claim or ask. It was never my intention. To me it's like an interview, which btw. you could stop at any given time if it doesn't feel right to you. Sorry!
Would you believe in a virus that you can see under a microscope with your own eyes?
Let's analyse that because it's a fallacy.
Analogy. Would you believe in a microscopic alien from Mars, capable of teleportation that you can see under a microscope with your own eyes?
You can't see it looking at unknown never seen thing. Is Mr. microscope going to tell you this is alien? And how will Mr. microscope know it's from Mars asuuming no one never was on a Mars? How does microscope show you teleportation? Analogically this alien is told to be in your snot.
How you know what in the snot is alien without first isolating a alien? You can even observe CPE. How do you know alien just doesn't die begause of your manipulation method because you threw antibiotics (anti life) on him?
Do you see it now? Microscope doesn't prove the properties you allege that virus has—infectability and other ascribed symptoms, Kochs postulates do. You did not read what I gave you. It's explained there. You assume it's existence without proving it because picture told you to. That is not science but religion in alien.
That's why I was making you connect the dots with Klaus Schwab. You are not getting it. Klaus is also a jew btw. I didn't make him the jew "in my head".
https://void.cat/d/PYe36rz9ZwV8dGXUxUNJi8.webp
https://void.cat/d/F1sBN61kZdVKDUu12fRBJr.webp
https://void.cat/d/RYu7rjaWnVaEhXQ7ryAp3Q.webp
https://void.cat/d/5g6dNxXXUmVXK8fmnR8oaL.webp
https://void.cat/d/YWw4LdAk93tZTF27FYXTJV.webp
https://void.cat/d/DJC225YV6L5V75QqD1hCAg.webp
https://void.cat/d/8DdWVHkZbp22giBbwdxgMY.webp
You are undereducated filled with indoctrination and useless unverifiable information. Those are brainwashing tactics developed by Communists. You need to unlearn lies.
btw. thanks for sticking to this conversation! I really appreciate it!
I expected more fallacies but it's managable. You are "curable". Start by growing your hair Mikaela.
Mom? 😆😆
Sorry, but that's kinda what she said the last time I saw her! And the answer to that is no!
Should we switch to a channel? It's getting absolutely cramped in the feed?
Only if you are still interested. Public or private, you name it!
You want freedom, but you don't know your enemy nor yorself. That is deadly scenario. You are fighting the jew, the jew hates women like you. Your battle is winning yourself.
Yes quite a hellthrad but I am used to from fedi, I really have no problem, I see a notification I reply.
I prefer keeping ordnung and line of conversation, but you can start new if you want. Channel? haven't heard about it yet.
Nostr is stupid. Can't find the message about that "fix the money" naive fairytale whatever you imagine under it but crypto is exact opposite of fixing. Money is means of exchange. Nostrtarded sheep dream of Casino Capitalim. (also jewish btw) We live in usury era we no longer have money thanks to jews. There were money fixed in Third Reich. Hitler built purely fresh economy not dependent even on gold. There wasn't more successful state in history of documented mankind, poverty reduce, young families could afford houses, one father could feed entire family. That's why jews declared a war. Can't imagine better example of hate you so much like to swing around.
No, you haven't understood the point I was trying to make.
I said "Fix the money, fix the world!". That was basically a response to the film you sent me. That the central banks are a big part when it comes to the world's problems.
I didn't say that bitcoin or crypto will fix that, but it surely takes away power.
The Reichsmark topic is quite interesting, but I don't have the time to write a whole paragraph on this right now. I would love to come back to this, if I find this again.
Then I did understood. That is not the point film makes. Money is not central to the problems we have. Jews are, and their truly hateful desire to enslave goyim, money is merely one of the tools. Central banks are not living beings they are tool trough which jews exercise their power. Crypto will not "take away power".
It says exactly what it does. What every useful idiot repeats but sadly doesn't understand. It will decentralize the power FROM THE PEOPLE not towards them, because it will eradicate local currency and cash, along with the rest of things I mentioned. It's hegelian dialectic. The synthesis is global digital currency that will later serve for implementing social credit. It doesn't matter whether it's called CBDC or Bitcoin. Central bank, Mining pool or Bitcoin consensus — all euphemisma that achieve the synthesis. WEF loves and finances bitcoin that is fact I already proved if you didn't ignore the "meme". WEF hates only thing cash and local currencies. They are hard to control because they ae physical, but nothing that is digital is. That's what (((4th industrial revolution))) is about.
Reichsmark didn't originated in Trhird Reich and same as BTC it's not about the name but about monetary policy behind it and who decides on it.
I am in charge of my cash Michelle. You are not in charge of Bitcoin when your address gets blacklisted. It's social credit Michelle not money.
who is blacklisting it? and how do they know that it's mine?
Not doing research for mentally ill tranny. Devs and relay operators talk about it publically. Relays already censored me and few others. Find it yourself.
oh boy, nostr relays have nothing to do with your bitcoin address.
and please show me who wants to censor you.
Search "nostr blocklist" if your worm IQ can handle that. But I doubt.
tell me that you don't know how nostr works without telling me that you don't know how nostr works.
You should read into the topic of relays, maybe run your own. Even a moron can set one up.
also, on every other social platform you would have been already banned. take it as a win for free speech. I do.
As much as I don't like your insults, I'd love to understand your thoughts. This platform gives both of us the chance of a fair conversation. But you don't seem to be interested in it 🤷♂️
No not on fedi. The fact that liberals stay on censored instances is their choice.
You are right. I am not much interested in conversation with brainwashed mentally ill women hating herself as such person by definition doesn't have logical reasoning abilities. But sometimes miracles happen. And just looking at your picture it disgusts me what jewish ideology made you do to yourself. It's not that I hate you or want to insult you. I am just honest. Degeneracy is insulting.
Every time you get the chance to show evidence for the lies you believe, you notice that there isn't any evidence and you turn to insults. Doesn't that bother you after a while? Isn't it annoying to always have to take the dirty way out and never be on the way of the winners?
Just show me evidence and I apologize for being wrong!
Evidence for what now? You tell lies you believe give no evidence I refute, and you shift burden of proof on me. Liberal pervert.
I showed you tranny agenda even porn agenda is run by jews, you detransitioned already? Gender disphoria is a mental ilness. You didn't apologize yet. You deny facts. You lie and you even lie to yourself.
The accumulation of capital and the prevalence of individualism have brought Western civilizations to the brink of collapse. There are no longer any significant shared goals or a sense of unity. The destruction of capital has the potential to humble individuals from "developed" countries and promote a renewed willingness to cooperate with each other. Blowing up rockets and making false promises of delivering people to Mars is a stupid way to destroy capital in pursuit of an absurd goal. Making substantial investments in various fields of science could be a more effective way to burn excess capital and bring people together.
The accumulation of capital and the prevalence of individualism have brought Western civilizations to the brink of collapse. There are no longer any significant shared goals or a sense of unity. The destruction of capital has the potential to humble individuals from "developed" countries and promote a renewed willingness to cooperate with each other. Blowing up rockets and making false promises of delivering people to Mars is a stupid way to destroy capital in pursuit of an absurd goal. Making substantial investments in various fields of science could be a more effective way to burn excess capital and bring people together.
The accumulation of capital and the prevalence of individualism have brought Western civilizations to the brink of collapse. There are no longer any significant shared goals or a sense of unity. The destruction of capital has the potential to humble individuals from 'developed' countries and promote a renewed willingness to cooperate with each other. Blowing up rockets and making false promises of delivering people to Mars is a stupid way to destroy capital in pursuit of an absurd goal. Making substantial investments in various fields of science could be a more effective way to burn excess capital and bring people together.
Mars is an attractive goal and an important prerogative. If we don’t try, and who better than Musk, we will assuredly never get off of this rock as a species.
I’d say that about covers it
You conveniently left out all the good he and his team have done. Advancement of science requires mistakes. Their work has enough positive externalities to justify the subsidies.
You are just jealous that it couldn't be you. And shortsighted/biased. Just like how you simp over every Muslim on Twitter and go out of your way to beg them to buy Bitcoin. Just like you don't acknowledge that Palestinians are also at fault. Not saying bad things aren't happening but Palestine has its faults too. Just like you are so hell bent on Islam that you don't see that it is a FIAT religion (since you like to use the word fiat so much).
I was blinded and said negative things about him too, but I've done a 180.
It is Saifedean that's the idiot and extremist.
No, you don’t.
I will admit that Elon on Twitter is a 🤡. I fully agree that Doge is a shitcoin and Elon is currently doing anti-freedom things on the network he bought.
But Elon, when it comes to 🚀, is a visionary genius giga-brain 🧠 who has changed the course of space flight forever through the power of first principles thinking.
The fact that he can be so brilliant in some areas and so moronic in other areas fucks with a lot of people who just want a simple narrative where he’s all 🧠 or all 🤡, all the time.
Reality is more complicated.
Get over your preconceptions about Elon and educate yourself about the magnitude, impact, and difficulty of what SpaceX has already accomplished and what they are on the road to accomplishing, and why it matters.
https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html