This is just sad to read. I feel sorry for Damus users. While Zaps are not the only reason you should use Nostr, Zaps are part of our identity as we have been building a value for value economy for 6+ months on Nostr.
Opt out. Use Android.
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Android is the way
#amethyst ⚡
I'm surprised people still don't use Android. I've been using android for years. Open source is the way to go. Open source = freedom. Just like computer operating systems. Linux = freedom. JUST LIKE CURRENCY, BITCOIN = FREEDOM!! 💜🧡
i 100% agree here. android and open source is the way to go. it always has been. i've been a strong android user since 2010. that said, i can feel their pain though. i couldn't imagine having to switch ecosytems. it's a huge and daunting task.
gotta nuke android dependency next on new category device
This.
And now wet have Nextcloud, which is the open source online ecosystem. You self just and control your own cloud synchronization, collsboration and file sharing.
Nextcloud gives you
- Contacts
- Calendar
- File sharing
- Video Conferencing
- Document Sharing & Collaboration
- Protect Planning & Collaboration
- Note syncing
- Private Messaging App w/video & audio calls
- Password Management & Sync
- Tasks (includes KanBan/Sprint board tasks)
- Forms
Plus many, many more, such as
- Photos
- Cookbook
- Map
We know this is the only way we need to make it a culture among us nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424
it's tough though. i wouldn't want to leave google's ecosystem after being embedded in it for 13 years. it's a very daunting task. it's much easier for people to convince themselves that a company that doesn't change will change.
agree so hard
I won’t be leaving that ecosystem. To me it’s no different than anything else any company or government has tried to block. I’ve already moved to Snort for most of my usage.
They tried to make us stop torrenting.
They tried to make us stop downloading music.
Even Xbox went PWA for now.
Quiet resistance has moved the needle in interesting ways. Snort + NWC means Apple cannot stop zaps. #grownostr until we’re actually a threat and everyone will want their platform to be best for users to use it.
The most effective way to fight this is going to be making Nostr insanely great. When everyone is here, Apple just like everyone else will be on board and act like they always were. Nature of the beast.
I agree, it’s an absolute pile of shit and undoes a lot of the hard work Will and Damus contributes have put in so far. Sad!
Onwards though, Apple will bend the knee eventually
maybe? they didn't bend the knee to a 30 million dollar company 3 years ago and instead removed their #1 gaming app.
I cannot imagine if we could not found any avoiding solution. At least by principle! Fuck up Apple, fuck all monopolist.
So if you want really free, avlid any dependence from monopol corps. Regarding phones yku should avoid not only Apple, but Google too.
IMHO use "degoogled" Android, there are predesigned and/or preinstalled mobiles on the market.
degoogled phones are mostly great. the only downside is if your banking app needs to run a certified OS or if you need to use google wallet for NFC mobile payments. sadly you need a CTS certified devices for that.
wow
That's why I use two phones.
That's the right solution!
Or use this phone 😀😀😀
i have my old nokia 918 still. sadly it won't work as the analog networks are dead 😟
Design isn’t what is used to be. 
Great! This definitely can not be infected with "Pegasus" 🤣
A lot of powerful and rich men uses "dumb" phones. This phones are getting popular again. See the price of the former cutting edge Nokia 8810 phone
Yes it was NMT as I remember. The 2110 was my first GSM phone. And it works now!
You are right. BTW: ot all banking apps, but most of them.
So you have to use two mobiles 😊
Or a better solution to use webapps, like the nostr webclients on mobile
On the other hand I don't use even banking apps. Intentionally. This is an another kind of dependency. So if ylu use them, you can forget the word "privacy".
good point about webapps. sometimes they suck, but it's better than zero access. i still have many fiat based bills to pay and will be dependent on banks for the foreseeable future.
Anybody have to find the balance between the privacy and dependency.
So I dare to declare that the dependency is a kind of laziness.
Conclusion: Privacy/freedom vs. Dependency/laziness
my banking app (actually a credit union) works great on lineage os. i don't think i can do nfc payments though.
Great! I use LineageOS too (but w/o banking apps)
That’s the one thing that makes me hesitant with graphene. I have an insulin pump that is run by my phone. Would not be able to use if I switched to that OS. Could still use the pump independently but would be much more of a hassle.
The Graphene is a bit risky. If you have never changed the stock ROM to custom, I can advise that start with LineageOS. If you want to use Google "things" then you should install GFS too (a pico or nano version will be enough I think). For details see the lineageos website. But if you are brave you can use LineageOS for MicroG (separate website). MicroG is a "rewritten"/google services pack, it uses spoofed ID-s. And you don't need gmail account.
It’s not so bad. It seems like nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s is adding an extra tap to zap. We’ve only had one tap zaps for a few weeks.
Damus on iPhone is important. It’s the most popular phone in the world, and we’re not going to convince most people to trade their iPhone so it’s easier to zap on an protocol they never heard of.
That's true if you look at smartphone brand, but if you look at platform market share, Android has 80% of the world's mobile OS. People in the world that need censorship resistant communication use Android far more than they do iOS.
That said, it would be a great disservice to the world if iOS did not have Damus. Will needs to do what he can to make sure that iOS has Damus available. It's very important.
Agreed -- not a fan of Apple ----Android All Day---- Apple is not intuitive by any stretch; it's a learned interface---can't turn on flashlight without a users manual and classes from experts (ha!) --- 'walled garden' approach and anti-privacy etc. --not great --- solid build quality though!
I know its fun and easy to attack Apple and just tell people to use Android but in reality that's not helpful.
There are a lot of people who enjoy Apple products and do not want to deviate from them for many reasons. We still want to include these people in the #grownostr movement.
We need to change Apple's mind. Sadly this is much easier said than done.
Apple sucks.
I have an Iphone issued by work.
It sucks
They dick with their compression in text to try to force people to peer pressure friends and relatives to switch to not screw up the group text.
Hate it
You are both correct, but at the end of the day normies still like iPhones. Apple suffers from fiat disease, and every time something like this happens it could put a dent in Timmy Cook's fiat armor.
Keep fighting the good fight
It's a little frustrating how much he is clinging on to iOS instead of just making a web app. Like I understand he probably only knows Swift, but like anyone can learn JavaScript/React.
bro, nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s is brutally prolific; afaik he learned Swift basically to write Damus; he's very proficient in a ton of languages
People can’t fathom reasons why not to write a web app except there are many: the web is slow and bloated. There are tons of security issues with putting your key in your browser. Noone installs PWAs except nerds.
I don’t know why people are upset because I’m not writing a web app when there are like 10 nostr web apps. People should go use those if the web is so good.
I much prefer native non-web-stack solutions that still work inside browsers. I am already building one of those.
Would it be possible to relegate the key as a recovery key so that one could have a separate username/login for a web app? The recovery key could generate new logins…this might be something on the protocol level though.
Most of them that have criticized are alphabetical plants that have narratives and agendas…
They are change agents. Be advised and defend your heart and mind. They are clever. Tactics are many! 🤡🌎
You are kicking a$$ and taking names! Make your own decisions and don’t look back at the steersman practicing cybernetics on all of us who are unaware. Don’t let them get the optimal grip of control over you! You are persona non grata…
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Hard agree that a native option is always needed.
I don’t know rust, so I’ve been playing with Blazor Hybrid for that very reason. The goal is code that runs everywhere.
Really looking forward to this. WASM and Rust are the way to.
You are spot on. Web Apps are good in some situations, horrible in others. Yes, you can make anything run on almost anything, but with web platform it's going to be more pain (not always).
Ignore the noise, it's coming from people in the process of learning...
I hate that Apple act the way they do but just neglecting the entire Apple user base is simply stupid and naïve. It’s good to see that nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s and a lot of other people fight them on their shit non-sense policies and keep on building!
That said, Will said in a recent note that he will continue his work on a multi platform client. He did start working on that a while back with a Rust+EGUI stack.
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This is a bad take. There’s more reasons than just programming languages to not build a web app. And he’s more than capable.
Just go to jb55.com next time
lol do your homework before asserting dumb stuff
