Twitter / X seems to be very sticky. Even bitcoiners can’t resist it.
Perhaps we shouldn’t worry about Twitter and go after other large platform user bases 🤔
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Mabey we need to do something different instead of just cloning everything. 🫠
Got ideas?
pressure sites to support nip07
In a twist of irony - no.
My best thought would be to clone the old MySpace.
But 15 yrs after being relivent mabey we can cycle it back? Kinda like how bell-bottoms are back?
That’s been discussed. No idea if anyone’s doing it. There is a MySpace clone out there but I don’t recall their user numbers
Lots of people on Blurt.blog Steemit.com and Hive.blog interested in Bitcoin and Lightning payments … #blurt #steem #hive
True. Lots on steemit might like Habla
Network effects
I find myself thinking about truth, gab, gettr, parlor, etc
These are all “conservative” social networks but they all just created there own silos with no network effects
And they all use mastodon on the backend lol
Are you really worried? We don't need Twitter to die for nostr to be successful.
I see crazy potential for network effects in the nostr ecosystem, where all these apps feed into each other. Twitter is done. Still I go there for some dopamine infinite scrolling ...
I was at the bar at nostr:npub1key55ax33gkl50uqemvl4khrtqrhzm7wzpc7fhseutt5ddkcwcrqgxlt3h and some guy was scrolling his Xitter feed watching a video of someone catch a beatdown. Why?
Worried, no. But I want more people to enjoy what we have come to enjoy.
Make chats cool again.
🤔 ideas?
I keep looking for designs that invite group/community formation to discuss a topic, a need or a job. For instance, when people go to a new class, the first thing they need to thing is to create a group for the class. Each class assignment should be another group. Making topic-centric discussions is very healthy. A design that trully invites this behavior will be king.
Deleted app from my phone and am down to less than once per week scanning on desktop or browser on phone. Bummed the direction it's going overall towards a complete KYC'd place 🤷
The opposite of free speech. Ironic.
Twitter has intellectual opinion
Google has smart home control and internet search (and increasingly login) and reviews
Facebook has friend and family network and market place
Uber has ride share
Air bnb has accommodation
But loyalty programs and online ordering are typically bespoke apps or cookies that store your details.
Companies don't want to give Google their data for competition reasons, so have an incentive to avoid data collection. A nostr login would also give a company access to users social media feed, allowing them to analyse publicly shared data to aid market research. Users would benefit from single login and maximising loyalty program participation. Providing user details can be secured properly, this could be a good way to get people onto the nostr protocol
I think you’re onto something 🤔
Maybe a long form post needed 🤗
Unpopular opinion, I know, but nostr isn’t going to replace twitter. Yes its certainly better, but we already know from history that to replace a technology with an established network effect, the tech replacing has to be a minimum of like 10 times better/more effective.
I just don’t think a twitter-clone client on nostr like Damus is gonna get there.
Still think the tech is vitally important and there will come along a use case that really fits and makes the protocol flourish.
But as a twitter-clone, it’s just not 10x better so it’s not going to overcome the network effect of twitter.
That being said I’ve still deleted twitter off my phone and have 3 nostr clients downloaded. So that’s something.
Building on nostr even on projects that aren’t going mainstream like twitter is still important I think.
Just my 2 sats :-)
The key to success isn’t to convince people that they need you, it’s to be ready when they realize that they do.
They’ll never realize
Yes that is possible, however I feel we do more damage in our impatience.
In my fiat job I give people estimates all the time, and it never ceases to amaze me that even when highlighting, circling, underlining estimates, people still miss it.
And I think it’s because people can’t see what they can’t see. No one can make it to bitcoin, nostr, or any other better place in life by someone else’s desire, they have to arrive there willingly.
I wish that weren’t the case and people listened to persuasive rhetoric and logic, but that’s not been my experience.
While I think the work we do is remarkable and absolutely necessary for increasing the value and usefulness of our community, we have to allow people to arrive in their time.
The fact that this community exists is already proof of success.
Nostr has a positioning problem and if we don’t fix it don’t expect too many users. It can grow over time like mastadon if that’s what we want. Yes we can wait assuming there is constant funding.
I’m more interested in building apps that don’t position as decentralized alternatives. Something that’s actually better and compelling.
There are probably all sorts of opportunities to attract people from certain communities and we should make the effort to do so. It’s not rushing, just awareness and good apps.
I like that, not trying to be an alternative to something else because then you automatically compare the first to the second.
Nostr has the ability to be better than legacy solutions, not only in privacy and free speech, but in actually user experience also.
I’ve got mad respect for you karnage, no doubt in my mind we will obliterate the siloed internet if we keep marching forward 💪🏻
What do you think about the business advertising space? Creating and maintaining nostr accounts for companies that can offer news releases and special incentives for users following them on nostr?
Get the page back up.
Funny how addicted folks are. It’s a crap website.
Fully agree.
No matter how good the microblogging apps get, there is absolutely no way this use case can single-handedly be 10x better than the value of the network effects.
Microblogging will be a nice-to-have for the vast majority of users but it will not lead the way to nostr winning.
Normies do not want to know anything about how the app works in the background. Relays and all that shit.
From the marketing point of view, what Nostr needs to do is disappear from the discourse. It's the apps, not the protocol.
It’s true. Nobody cares.
Well, we do because we know what the actual benefits are.
But the masses certainly do not. In the EU we're about to have China-style content surveillance of message apps, including "end to end encrypted" apps. Do you think anyone will stop using Whatsapp? Of course not.
The only way to make inroads among the mass is to give them a better UX, and to keep the real benefits just as a bonus, not the core to the value proposition of the app.
If we find out that's an impossible task (I personally think UX has an inverse relationship with Nostr's real benefits), then we have to accept that the protocol will remain niche, and those who are trying to become Zack Zuckerberg by building on it will have to temper their expectations.
Yeah I mean general public doesn’t. I agree that the way to grow is just better apps and new approaches not possible before.
Even social aspects will grow, just not as fast.
Making people switch is not easy. You need on-ramps from regular social media to nostr.
Like I’m on Twitter, I see a habla news article, I click and read it. I like it, I sign up to post there.
Just create more on-ramps. The replacements are available for when they are needed.