Co-signed. To each their own, but we don't transition out of You're-the-product without paying for product.
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The same people who don’t zap or zap 1 sat at a time will be the first to complain when ads start showing up in their nostr apps, or when their favorite ad-free apps stop working because the devs moved on to other economically viable projects.
Moving from unlimited abundance at no cost, with extraction as the inevitable outcome, to scarcity funded by scarce money. Tricky, but necessary.
HODL culture trained everyone to guard their bitcoin and never spend it. Zap culture flips that, but it will take real meaning and authentic value to break through the mental walls HODL created. People will spend when it feels worth it. The culture has to earn that.
I disagree. We put our money where our mouths are, or we shut up and continue to be the product.
I put my money where my mouth is. I purchase product from nostr:nprofile1qqs9n2vvq3u5faj75s8nwe24tmjcn06sxcl57lw02k2vxkzthvfl7espz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz7qg6waehxw309ashyapwdehhxarjveex2cttwvhxxmmd9uq3vamnwvaz7tm9v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0m4ums7 nostr:nprofile1qqswp94gnm4epqsgjkndl4lnd8krzdj5u4mzuppdtxksdymkty63g7gpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd3skuep0cg36l7 and nostr:nprofile1qqsppdnxpjc82jlm3yn9gawhv7p4nm69a3f80rg5ycw305xned2s0hcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshsz9rhwden5te0v9kxwmeww468smewdahx2tcq7d5tl regularly, and am very happy to spend my sats on them, because they're the highest quality
but low effort memes deserve 1 sat at best lol
And we thank you immensely for your support. You’re a huge part of the success of all of us on nostr ❤️🚀
Yes yes yes! You got it!
By our dear friend nostr:npub1g9ysswt67fnyqfrsgtd8l9p0eyccxlydn5eq0cn3evhm9w7e5nkssvzlky
Show me where I'm talking about memes.
this whole thing has been about memes this whole time dude
Show me where I'm talking about memes.
you're quoting corn and weighing in on his argument, which is that he's not earning a living off the sats his memes bring in. seriously.
Show me where he says he deserves to live off the sats his memes bring in.
This is not proof and is for fun ass purposes only.
Oh no! What if he started a 1-sat-zap trend?
Just like in time travel stories when they try to avoid a certain destiny only to find out, that they have caused it 😱
He can’t, because I didn’t, and he is too dishonest to admit that he’s just twisting my words for internet points among his friends.
I hope everyday on Nostr starts off with this thread 🪡 🧵
Makes me feel aliveness…..
you're complaining about people not zapping content creators enough, while admitting you want content creation on nostr to be your full time job... BUT NOOOO, YOU'RE NOT BEGGING FOR MORE SATS
1) People don’t zap content creators enough.
2) When did I say I want full time content creation on Nostr to be my job?
3) Define “on Nostr.”
4) Are you saying it is a bad thing for someone to want full time content creation on Nostr to be a source of their income/revenue?
nostr:nprofile1qqsy67zzq5tc9cxnl6crf52s4hptdwhyaca5j7r8jwll535tdadedvcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6vp39eukz6mfdphkumn99e3k7mgf23tnf is making it happen. I'm not a real baller but a couple bucks a month zapped to an npub regularly putting news in my feed is worth it. Just need more like-minded folks to adopt nostr and grow the economy large enough to support CCs. We're still early.
Not if nostr:nprofile1qqsrg8d45l36jv05jz2as2j2ejfee79xw2fmreqhnl2ttsz5f38u9mcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyf8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68yat99e3k7mf008uufv has anything to say about it. He doesn’t think nostr:nprofile1qqsy67zzq5tc9cxnl6crf52s4hptdwhyaca5j7r8jwll535tdadedvcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmnyjtdx56 should be able to make money from his content.
Good thing we can just zap stuff.
I like 1 sat zaps ⚡️
But I also agree with 🌽
Rock and a hard place ….
You don't think so either, nostr:nprofile1qqs03ekxgdp0rczjfqrrpcn7zqtdec6lcwnpfesyxnl0f239qvege2gpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8qunfd4skctnwv46q5huf9j. In the year since I started, I've never had a single word or zap of support from you. Don't drag me back into your mess and let me go my own way.
I don’t zap you because I don’t follow you or consume your content. In fact I keep you muted because I find that you simply recycle other people’s content from other networks as your own content here. But for those who do like your content, they ought to be zapping you.
"But for those who do like your content, they ought to be zapping you…" 🥱 Stop your cinema, and eat your solo sauce like a grown-up. How did you see my message if you supposedly muted me? I didn't ask you for your opinion on my work, but you gave it to me, so I'll tell you in turn: none of your memes has ever triggered the slightest smile on my lips. And know that a lot of people connect to Nostr exclusively to see the news that I compile here, it is impossible for this to be the case for you.
And for what it’s worth, I didn’t bring you up. Someone else did so I was responding to them.
I want it to be my job, is that even possible?
Idk. Watch out though, nostr:nprofile1qqsrg8d45l36jv05jz2as2j2ejfee79xw2fmreqhnl2ttsz5f38u9mcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyf8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68yat99e3k7mf008uufv will start badmouthing you on Corny Chat if you say that.
I’m asking a question and I’d like some guidance.
I’m giving you sincere advice. There are people on here who will hate you if you try. As for the question, Nostr has a very small user base, and an even smaller base of people willing to zap. In general, V4V takes time and patience as you create whatever it is you love to create and find your community/niche of people that enjoy it. So for now, I’d say that no, it’s not possible to make content creation on Nostr a full time job. But content creation in the larger sense absolutely can be, and Nostr can be part of that strategy.
Thanks for the sincere advice 🫂
I get that Nostr has a small community right now and zaps are limited.
But as you said, V4V takes time and patience, I want to create what I love and find the community that enjoys it 😎
So even if it can’t be a full-time job yet, Nostr can definitely be part of the bigger journey .
My biggest issue is that I would require ~100x to consider going into living off zaps only atm. We first need individuals who want to hang around, then we can see if they want to zap.
I don't think anyone can live off memes, I think that it's value is only accessable when attention is the currency.
Please do try and make it on nostr
Who is trying to live off memes? 😂 Don’t fall for Kajoozie’s lies. The discussion is about V4V.
Nah Ben wanted to be a meme lord.
It's ok to have differing opinions on the things & still be friends
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Haha fair enough, everyone’s got their own vibe.
Different opinions are totally fine; that’s what keeps things interesting.
Still friends, still good energy. 🤝✨
we don't hate you. we openly mock you. huge difference
It is very tough to make some meaningful value off of zaps with only 15-20k daily Nostr users.
I appreciate the support that I get and love zaps and zapping.
If you are making a product you can make more of course but even with the sales that I make it would be impossible to live off of it.
We need more content and I zap the content that I like!
⚡️ > 👍
🫂
He won't do that. You'll cut in on his bottom line.
There are no algorithms to put you in front of eyes. You have to have consistently quality content or be followed by The Influencoors™️ and have them share your mid content.
But also, being a decent person and not being a whiny toddler will get you much further around here. Utilize pertinent hashtags. Interact with others. Comment on posts, don't just react or *shudder* "onlyzap".
Facts. There’s no magic algorithm here, just consistency, quality, and being a decent human.
We’re on an open protocol, not a platform that pushes people artificially.
I’d rather grow through real interactions than onlyzaps and whining.
Create, connect, show respect… and keep going.
That not how V4V works. If you want to be able to tell me what I owe you fuck off to another platform.
I think we both know you'd make even less.
Zap whoever you want and tell whoever you want to fuck off. That is V4V. Zapping good content that you enjoyed with 1 sat is not V4V. Be smarter. I believe in you.
That is how much they valued your work. The end.
I expect better of a 7yo than to whine about how something they got for free wasn't exactly what they wanted. I would never give an adult who did that another gift again. Zaps are public so anyone can see I haven't zapped you in ages.
Careful now not to meme yourself
y'all still arguing over this?
1) what’s enough? It’s subjective
2) you didn’t, not that I’m aware of, cause it probably ain’t possible right now
3) using the Nostr protocol
4) Hell Nah, I would love that and I think it will be viable if we can get some more people from Twatter, and FB, IG and TikTok. I would love to just zap stream and make 60k sats a day painting for people.
What about having FUN.
I like fun.
I hear drama goes good on FB IG YT and X
What is FUN?
You mean FUD?
Only Funs
Fuck Fear and Doubt.
I’m certain about that.
Here for the nostr:nprofile1qqs03ekxgdp0rczjfqrrpcn7zqtdec6lcwnpfesyxnl0f239qvege2gpr9mhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5q3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnynmmz8a memes.
tbh drama is pretty fun
He is talking about the great memer nostr:nprofile1qqs03ekxgdp0rczjfqrrpcn7zqtdec6lcwnpfesyxnl0f239qvege2gpr9mhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5q3vamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxarj9e3xzmnynmmz8a
BCE push adoption forward
We all want adoption, but adoption does not start with payments. It starts with meaning. You cannot force people to zap and you cannot lecture them into caring. We have to build something worth caring about first.
We are building a new neighborhood here on Nostr, and zapping is part of the experience, but it is not why people show up. They come because it feels different. Zaps are not the only form of value. Relationships, connection and purpose all have value.
Eventually, zaps will take care of themselves. We should not have to explain the rules or etiquette. People will zap because it feels right, not because they were told to.
I appreciate your perspective, and I hear you, but that's not how I see it. Culture is too often an excuse for “someone else fix this first.” It's downstream of investment.
Sure, that can mean many things, but if we want to create a real change in categories of products like social media, we need to support the alternative. The alternative to extractive, exploitative enshittification is to pay for the product.
As I began with, to each their own.
Paying for the product doesn't have anything to do with zapping commenters.
Instead, it's paying the developer of whatever NOSTR tools' you're using.
Zaps are nice too, if you want to send a tip to somebody
Or because it gives them access to something they can't get anyway else 😊
Scarcity is good. Social proof is good. Gamification is good. All things helpful in bringing adoption forward.
Are you trying to tell me that if I'm trying to make money by using NOSTR like some sort of Twitter-that-pays-me-for-snarky-comments that I'm doing it wrong?
Aho @Seth! I’ve made some seriously solid connections and friendships through here and look forward to the moment we can get together the physical world and hash out more collaborations.
What the beggars fail to realize is that the lack of zaps and/or large zaps is the free market speaking.
Yes, v4v!
…but this also means their must *be* value in the posts.
Right, I've seen videos zapped 82K sats and posts getting 10K sats. Consistency is key with value for value to find your community, but V4V is alive and well on Nostr!
maybe we just want you to make better "content" or stop begging
Already seeing ads in nostr:npub1v5ufyh4lkeslgxxcclg8f0hzazhaw7rsrhvfquxzm2fk64c72hps45n0v5.
It’s inevitable, unfortunately.
What kind of ads? Who's buying the ad space?
Ads are not bad per se. I have products to sell and services to offer, I need ad spaces to get the message out. I need ad spaces where people see my ads so they buy my stuff and I'm willing paying for that ad space.
The ad market itself is value for value and it's competitive as good ad space is scarce.
I want my ads to be shown in high quality places to relevant people, so they don't mind the ad but respond positively to my offers. Nostr with its 20k weekly active npubs is completely uninterested to me in that regard. What ads are shown on fountain? Bitcoin content for bitcoiners, by bitcoiners..?
Instagram is hell not because it shows ads but because it shows too many, every fifth post in one's feed is an ad. It's like browsing a catalogue, not checking in on friends anymore. ,
Seems a client with a minimum sat zap amt along with % to the client creator is what you are thinking? Kinda the way fountain and all those v4v satstreaming apps work?
I like this approach. Maybe even have a couple of tiers:
1) The content creator pays no subscription fee and then splits a default % of zaps with the client creator with the option to increase it if they want.
2) The content creator pays a monthly/yearly/lifetime subscription fee to the client creator, and then keeps 100% of their zaps with the option to split a % if they want.
Pretty dumb that clients didnt do this from the start, when zapping and nostr was novel . Its like how miners started accepting below 1 sat/vbyte when mempool was empty.
The devs can’t even work together so I truly don’t give a fuck about their feelings anymore … genuinely
Plus when I first came here
First pic WAS COMMON SHIT ON HERE SO don’t even get me started about the double standards of men and women
Not everyone WANTS to be a product. Again, it’s another paradigm shift. Are you so dense you don’t realize that?
Go hookup with ( second pic) below ⬇️ she WANTS to be a product. That’s not how most humans work FFs 🙈
Last is proof of zaps ⚡️ so please don’t assume some of us aren’t trying to assist
No one is a product on Nostr.
Its part of becoming more conscious. When you are more conscious you WANT to give something back. It will feel weird to receive and not to give.
The ones who receive without giving back will not get the whole value, their experience will be morphed by ads, CTAs and manipulation. They will be the product.