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With Apple you don't get freedom. So what does Apple give you that is so much better than freedom?

Seriously, ask yourself why you stick with iPhone instead of GrapheneOS or Calyx. Everyone here can name a few serious reasons not to use iPhones. What are its advantages that you love so much? Are you sure a Graphene or Calyx phone don't share those advantages?

Always be willing to reevaluate your decisions. The correct decision last year may no longer be the correct decision today.

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Mr⚡2MB 🐇🏴‍☠️ 2y ago

There's lots of brainwashing involved.

Stacking Functions 2y ago

I know your question is mostly rhetorical but the short answer is inertia.

When my iPhone dies I will switch over to pixel with graphene but that money has a lot of other uses in this moment (like buying Bitcoin or saving up for a family road trip).

If someone continues to support apple by buying their shit after showing their true colors then yes I agree.

Also a lot of us are not as tech literate as others on here, so I will probably opt for an Above phone that is ready to go and has support (but costs more as a result)

Boatface 2y ago

Would you say more about ready to go options? Graphene?

Stacking Functions 2y ago

This is what I’m looking at

https://abovephone.com/devices/

Penta Sophia 2y ago

I heard about this the other day. Can get a phone sent from Calyx with everything pre-loaded:

https://members.calyxinstitute.org/enroll/membership/phone

Personally, I picked up a used phone from someone I knew and flashed #GrapheneOS myself. Incredibly simple if you want to go the route of trusting Graphene’s site with the install.

geodesic 2y ago

Flashing it yourselfx as you did, really is quite simple. I actually direct new users to that route instead of buying a preflashed phone. Preflashed phones cost a fortune and aren't necessary for 99% of people

Penta Sophia 2y ago

Which is one of the things that stood out to me regarding the Calyx Institute phones. Seemed a lot more reasonably priced than I was expecting.

Seems like a good option for my grandmother who hopped of the tech train with her vhs.

geodesic 2y ago

That's a fair reason. These things aren't cheap. But I still hope your phone dies immediately after reading this note 🤣

BitcoinJujitsu 2y ago

Some must do the popular thing, not the right thing, because they cant tell the difference

uncleJim21 2y ago

In your opinion what is the best way to get friends to take the CalyxPill?

geodesic 2y ago

There is no great trick. They just have to decide to prioritize freedom and privacy. To that end, explaining how iPhone and stock android really do impede freedom, has led several to make that decision.

Ive gone so far as to by friends phones and install Graphene for them myself. At the end of the day, learning a new phone is work, and they have to want it, or they'll never do the work.

geodesic 2y ago

s/by/buy/

Karl Marx Vieira 2y ago

Pessoas alienadas não gostam de mudanças!!!

uncleJim21 2y ago

Fair enough but I am asking for practical tips on how to persuade Normies. What examples and points do you make to show them Apple Bad?

geodesic 2y ago

Sure, one thing that really helps normies is to dispelled the Apple privacy lies. Normies think Apple is private and think the data on their phone is theirs alone (family photos, SMS messages, etc) because Apple markets it that way.

If you explain that iPhone does not keep your data private, it only limits use of your data by Apple and its 'data sharing partners', normies tend to recognize the corporate shenanigans and sometimes they'll ask "what can I do if I don't want Apple to have access to ". Thats when you can bring up Calyx and Graphene (although I usually promote the latter first) as practical ways to enjoy a smartphone without handing over your data to Apple or Google.

geodesic 2y ago

The key is, most normies just take Apple at face value of "being private". If you can get them to dig a bit deeper and realize that's just marketing bs, then most rational people will reconsider why they are even using Apple in the first place

uncleJim21 2y ago

Ok and what specific points would you make to this hypothetical Normie?

geodesic 2y ago

What I said above. Specifically about photos, contacts, chats, etc that normies think are private, but actually are not.

uncleJim21 2y ago

My bad I missed the above longer text thx for the ammo 🫡

Byrdman 2y ago

Money

geodesic 2y ago

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Witty Hen 2y ago

Yeah I’m not a tech wizard so I rely on others to keep my data safe.

Apple has the money and seemingly the willpower to fight against prying. I encrypt my data and hopefully it’s legit.

I give Apple lots of money to keep my shit safe. There’s no digital “freedom” if you can’t hack - you can only rely on what others tell you

So I’ll be using an iPhone with data encryption vs hoping a rando numb fuck really is adept at keeping my shit secure

geodesic 2y ago

Your mistake is thinking Apple keeps your data secure. Pegasus and other malwares have been able to bypass iPhone security measures for years, and there's still no fix. iOS and OSX are entirely closed source. Nobody can confirm if its actually secure. Nobody can confirm what Apple actually does with your data. You just have to trust Apple and the US govt. _And there are countless examples of them breaking your trust_

Obviously my comment only applies to people who care about their privacy, security, and people who know better than to trust big tech or the govt to just give it to them. If that's not you, if you just trust Apple and the US to treat you appropriately, then I don't have time to convince you otherwise.

You don't need to be a techie to become ungovernable. But you have to want it.

Witty Hen 2y ago

I understand your point, however I don’t know if the anonymous people “verifying” code are good actors either.

For people who can’t verify for themselves (like me) - Apple is the best available option, whereas they appear to be legit in attempting to protect user data and they have the resources to fight legally.

I love the idea of Graphene and I have it installed on a Pixel 5 so I can use Samurai wallet. My primary point is I am trusting that the folks who tell me Graphene is safe are legitimate as well.

You could be a CIA agent attempting to persuade people to use Graphene because you were able to merge a back door into it. I don’t know.

geodesic 2y ago

Ah, yeah, I see your point. I totally agree, if you don't become a software expert and read every line of code (an impossible task), then you'll always be trusting someone at some level.

You're completely right. The thing I might point out though, is that with Apple you have one org which has total control over the entire ecosystem (hardware, firmware, OS, apps, app store, etc) and no hope of any audit. There is an immense opportunity for corruption and malicious design.

UnGoogled Android (i.e. Graphene) on the other hand has many many many contributors that touch only small pieces of the ecosystem. If any of them are CIA agents (or even several of them), it would still be a monumental effort for them to orchestrate any sort of systemic malicious design across the entire ecosystem. AND they'd have to pull it off without the honest software devs noticing. Maybe certain components or libraries could be compromised, but that is much better than the monolithic power that Apple has over its ecosystem.

At least with UnGoogled Android, you have the option to choose how much you want verify yourself and how much you want to trust other people to verify. Apple you have no choice. I'm not naive enough to think I can attain perfect security or privacy. I just want to minimize the amount of trust I have to give to any one person, and not make it overtly easy to control my digital life.