Idea: "encrypted" public note with associated sat amount. when you zap, the decryption key is encrypted to the pubkey who bought it. Clients then decrypt the post to view.

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What use cases do you have in mind?

I was looking at lightning.video and was wondering how I would implement that on nostr

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p.s : I was totally joking but now I realize that someone is gonna do it someday 😫

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THIS!

This can also be a group unlock...! like 10 people pay and unlock the content...! great,,.!

good idea!

Or, perhaps instead of a group number, a sats number to unlock it, contributed by however many.

So many interesting possibilities, especially if you consider media (music).

nostr was made for lightning 🌩️

right thats what I was thinking, it would be based on total sats for the crowdfund case

dude, i recollect seeing a photo of you with your family. i now see yet another damus update with yet another nice little addition: zaps total next to lightning symbol.

With a family, I don’t know how you’re finding time to keep this app so lively!

Do we need to think about reimbursing the zaps if the amount is not reached in a certain timeframe?

No, I’m that case, they all go to me.

or a sats target

yes. Sats target is easy.. just add it as a tag... amount to unlock

this is brilliant. I would zap it but it’s not encrypted 🤷‍♀️

What if the first zapper sees the post and then takes a screenshot and post it to it’s followers?

Can't stop that really

It’s possible to block screenshots, but this will only work for mobile not for web.

What if instead of one zap to decrypt the post needs multiple ones? Kinda like tipping In chaturbate 😂🌚 that way more people would interact and less likely (IMO) to screenshot it. Fixed amounts instead of flexible. Idk, I’m brain storming while drinking coffee

definitely. this is the example you chose though? lmao

Just make the original post an NFT 😜 that’ll stop em 🤡

time to change that web2 mentality my friend

Is not me, but when you’re building something you gotta evaluate every possibility

i meant worrying about someone “stealing” your content

Nah, I don’t mind it personally. Everything is good for marketing in my opinion. As I said, not thinking about myself. Just throwing out a possibility

An idea

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What about bringing this to DM, users can put down a hold invoice and if it’s decided that it’s spam, the receiver gets the sats

what is stopping someone from zapping to decrypt and then publicly sharing the decryption key for others to enjoy?

Bring in the #zapwall

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There could still be a threshold where no one sees it until an amount is zapped. I love this idea. It could be useful for videos and podcasts too. Once a certain amount is reached, a link is able to be viewed.

Oh

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OnlyZaps™️

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Slight variation: when post gets a certain amount of zaps, decryption key is broadcasted to everyone. This would probably be more of a nip26 service though posting on your behalf.

What about whitelisting npub that zaps and when you click “paid” it is decrypted?

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Not think that’s a good idea.

It’s like a paywall. You have to pay before you can check the quality.

It’s not really the open source spirit we all love.

v4v is a better concept.

zaps have way more applications than just tipping.

exactly.. it starts with tipping.. but only expand to other use cases...!

....and ends with tipping eventually turnig to paywalls. And we are all back to square one: ads. It undermines V4V model nostr/lightning solves.

I can think of 2 mutually exclusive reasons this might not be true:

1) it would be for trivial amounts so it would obviously just be fun and very much in the open source spirit.

2) it wouldn’t be trivial, but you’d see the interaction stats with people you’d have to assume had already decrypted it so there is a bit of a quality signal there, albeit shrouded in intrigue.

All valid arguments, but for me it still feels like a paywall.

It’s a great Idea for news services, but I’m not sure if this is really a good use case for nostr.

Maybe I’m wrong and it feels great when it is implemented. Let’s see

I mean I guess you could say, yes, it’s a paywall, but it’s a kind of paywall with far more variables and richness to it than we are used to.

Yeah, that’s true. Maybe this will make the difference 🤔

I need more time to think about that, but it’s a really good point 👍🏻

Not to go all "slippery slope" but we already have paid relays and those have their benefits and (ideally) contribute to people who deserve compensation for their efforts.

I don't really see why this should be treated any differently, maybe with the ability for clients to opt in or not receive these types of notes for those users not interested

Yeah, but when you pay a relay you know what you get.

The Idea to me sounds like a paywall or a lootbox. You have to pay first to see what you get.

But hey, maybe I‘m wrong and it feels much better when it’s implemented than it sounds to me at the moment.

It’s just my opinion at the moment

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Why make it so complicated? Just make encrypted DM

yeah that works fine

I was specifically trying to think of a https://lightning.video like flow without doing something hacky like dms

Oh. But can you encrypt a content linked to different pubkeys? 🤔

If you have privk to content

Have you checked out Squeaknode?

https://github.com/squeaknode/squeaknode

LNBits have a paywall for example https://lnbits.klendazu.com/paywall/T8KtwzgHdyPS24HJTuJdyq yo send to a url you can send to and api that send the note or dm

I had the same idea today but for DMs.

Zap-to-DM

Oh shit this could be the incipit for an onlyfans/patreon kinda structure

Decrypting using pubkey ?? May be not. Pub keys are everywhere. If you know what you want to do it is much easier to figure things out.

Love the idea.

Excerpt or clue before zap.

yup exactly

I hate the idea of this. That being said. Absolutely fantastic idea. Essentially a subscription for content. I'd zap to see Btcsessions toots!

I was going to propose an encrypted textnote kind with Consent Request/Response kinds for medical information.

It would fit right into your idea.

Like this.

It could be reused into many applications.

Notice how the secret owner might not be the author.

Secret-Encrypted Kind

{

pubkey: // Author's key

kind: 900

contents: .. // information encrypted with a shareable secret

...

}

Consent Request Kind

{

pubkey: // Requester's key

kind: 901

tags: [ e: 900-event, p: 900-event-author ]

...

}

Consent Approval Kind

{

pubkey: // Shareable-secret owner

kind: 902

contents: .. // shareable secret encrypted with consent requester's public key

tags: [ e: 900-event, p: 900-event-author, e: 901-event, p: 901-event-author ]

...

}

Could be interesting. Allow the note to start with some unencrypted message or content as well.

DMs are already encrypted public notes xD

Yeah they would work today for this use case, but was trying to think of something with better ux

Since most wallets don't know how to handle oreimages well, I would go for a DM to the zapper that contains the decryption key for the content.

* Decrypt content with key x, publish as kind 1337

* When content receives zap, send "DM" to zapper with x with kind 1338

* Zapper decrypts content

Kind 1337 would have a decrypted tag and an plaintext Tag as a teaser, and a tag for the price for the decryption key.

What about 1 sat per note, auto zapped as they scroll (user enabled per profile), as a de facto delete function, “deleting” is stopping sending out any new decryption keys (maybe call it locking?) Too slow? How to back up keys you’ve previously paid for?

This is how we get OnlyZaps.

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I don't know if notes could be managed as content on onlyfans, ups sorry, as content on onlyzaps.

I mean, if everybody start to sell their notes, I will go to other network.

I like

Could work similarly to LNURLw works with LN Bits & LN POS. Paid lightning transaction provides the payer with unencrypted information that can be used to unencrypt the note.

"lnurl w" since no space makes a lnurl link

Manifest it 🖖🏻

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Yes!

Might be cleaner to encrypt to the preimage

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Might be next for Scribsat

Seems like the person who paid the invoice can share the decryption key to others.

pretty much true in any scenario you can think of. Such is the nature of information. You can aways take a screenshot

This is imo not a down turner for this idea. V4V will still work if the hidden content is worth it even if a comment note to the paid note shows the screenshot.

Y'alls uses the key of the HTLC to decrypt the file, so that makes it trustless from the probider PoV.

You should look into how they do it.

Seems like you're paving the way for Zaps For Tits

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Pay per view

Okay bro 😂

Keep stacking cringe

I'm not paying to view tweets 😂

It’s def great idea for revenue stream. Only fans, pay to view, similar idea. But I second that… cause I wouldn’t pay to view either. Guessing large majority users, esp new #nostr #plebs would also not pay

Great way to monetize content

Seriously? Nostr is going to become one mass transactional human to human paywall.: PAY to access relay, PAY to read a post, PAY to remove spam , PAY to like a post. Tedious microtransactions are a chore and a bore. I can see a future where to communicate online you will have to bribe everyone. Its sad.

Its a shame so many people on nostr are only interested in it so they can monetize the hell out of every human interaction . As if that wasn't/isn't why Twitter is so bad.