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Reflections on Twitter vs Nostr after #MarchOffTwitter

Free Speech — The feeling of not having anyone, with the power to suspend or ban you, looking over your shoulder while you post is liberating. Free speech exists on Nostr. It does not fully exist on Twitter (yet).

Incentives — The incentives to post on Nostr are far greater than those on Twitter. You earn Bitcoin directly for quality content. This is game-changing and hard to overstate.

Algorithm — There is no algo on Nostr. You simply see the posts of those you follow in chronological order. Don’t like what someone’s posting? Unfollow. It’s that simple. No ads or algo suggested posts either. Just pura vida.

Ownership — On Nostr, you truly own your account. You own your posts. And you can contribute to the protocol and apps just like everyone else. No more tagging Elon for every qualm you have with the user experience. This is incredibly refreshing and leads to a feeling of personal responsibility.

Tone — Broadly speaking, the tone of voice on Nostr is authentic, whereas the tone of Twitter is snarky. It’s nice not to be inundated with sarcasm. People sound happy and optimistic on Nostr, whereas on Twitter everyone sounds like they’re complaining.

Technical competence — The typical Nostrich is far more tech savvy than the typical Twitter user. You can get better answers to technical questions on Nostr than anywhere else I’ve tried.

Scammers — You won’t find many scammers on Nostr. And if you do, they won’t have much of a following. The reason is that you cannot delete posts, and you cannot block someone from commenting on your posts. There is nowhere to hide if you try to scam people on Nostr. You’ll be found out immediately. On Twitter, scammers easily hide behind a multitude of blocks and deleted posts.

Building the future — On Nostr, we’ve moved beyond tired olde arguments of “Bitcoin vs fiat” and “Bitcoin vs scamcoin.” Instead, we are actively building towards the future on a Bitcoin / LN / Nostr standard. No need to post the “it’s all so tiresome” meme.

Scale — Today, Twitter still has far more scale than Nostr. Twitter is the primary battleground of ideas. And Twitter has more far-reaching news and information. Therefore, in order to stay tapped in to the broader consciousness collective, and to wake people up to the perils of fiat and the benefits of Bitcoin, it still makes sense to have a presence on Twitter. Over time, however, Nostr will grow to far grander scale than any centralized social media platform due to its free, open source nature.

Connection — Nostr connects freedom minded individuals in China, America, and everywhere else in the world. No firewall can stop people from accessing Nostr. By comparison, every centralized social media app has to abide by authoritarian laws in each respective country. Nostr is connecting the world, and it’s not asking permission in order to do so.

In sum, I’ll to continue to have a presence on Twitter, but will be primarily posting to Nostr, as I believe it is the future of global, permissionless communications.

Agree with all of this but would love to see some balance. Twitter obviously still has the network and zeitgeist….and is the place to be when anything happens in the world. It is the most important host for the public conversation at the moment. And nearly 2 decades to work out many issues (and create more).

Twitter will never have many of the freedoms nostr enables. Doesn’t matter who runs it. It’s the single point of failure of an organization/company versus a protocol. Don’t trust me on this. It will continue to play out over the years.

nostr will be the slow and steady one to win the race…just like bitcoin. Either you build for and upon both, or you become increasingly irrelevant and disconnected (which is a reasonable, yet severe, decision to make).

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? C'est quoi s'il vous plaît *w* win what !!?

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has cool content on there but relay-system is where it’s at.

Ol'Musky could do a powerplay and integrate nostr, it actually makes sense, akin to proprietary software staying relevant when faced with foss. Could happen

I sincerely hope he does. Tried to convince him of it when I left.

doubt; organism’s mind is gone / infected

as per-usual on this diseased zombie rock

It will take perfection to achieve such a feat. Many say there isn’t “one” right way to do something… I disagree. There is a point of perfection (using existing tech), and we will reach it. It’s only a matter of time and effort now. 🐝

Beauty of modularity: as new tech emerges, like quicker databases or better encoding schemes, we can swap them out while maintaining the perfected design. The designed computer science can be perfected while the underlying pieces powering the design can evolve over time, like bitcoin. Bitcoin’s consensus rules are immutable, but it gains new pieces like Schnorr when they become available.

In terms of UX, user customization is key there because it is a subjective experience, not an objective science (CS). Have an idea cooking for that later too. :-)

In computer science, there is a point of perfection (limited by existing tech). It’s why nothing has beat bitcoin, even though billions of dollars has been poured into shitcoins that fail to live up to Bitcoin’s computer science.

Most careers do not have an opportunity for people to achieve perfection in (e.g. marketing, governing, customer service, trading, etc.), but that is exactly why I love computer science so much. I can funnel my drive for perfectionism into something that can actually materialize.

People are unpredictable, therefore there is no *perfect* to way to perform any of the subjectives jobs I listed above.

Computers are predictable and results are measurable, on the other hand. When we release our mega trees, it’ll be obvious that _nothing_ else that exists today can beat them. It’s an objective fact, not a subjective argument.🎄

That is why I love computer science — impotent competition can’t beat the measurable truth! 📐📏

Proof is in the pudding. 🐝

The tough part is that the problems that elon outlines with Twitter can be fixed with nostr and bitcoin. B4v/zaps, verified anonymity, getting rid of bots, it’s all there.

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i left twitter end 2015, because it didn't improve me anymore, a waste of my limited lifetime ... it was a vanity fair for lennon's working class heroes already by then ... and never really relevant for making money, why sellouts went insta ... hope nostr will do better as i love open source ... the only punk in coding

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Jab, hook, cross. #[1]! I like the bold take. And the honesty. Thanks for a peek into your view 🤙🤘👀🌌

IS FREE SPEECH DEAD?

Will you be able to go to jail or worse for a simple tweet or social media post in the near future?

#NOSTR

https://nostr.build/av/nostr.build_218ea30e23f0971074ab3263cbf95384bf60f8ee5e62f6f58c1691ea775fca98.mp4

Dans mon pays , le pays de la Liberté Égalité Fraternité ces dernières années avec tous les nouveaux textes de lois plus restrrictifs que jamais nous reste encore la CNIL. Cela me fend le cœur l'état de droit et les droits et de devoirs de l'homme sont devenus à expliquer au commun des mortels auquel on lui revoyera toujours *nul n'est sensé ignoré la loi* j'ai des années à travailler et accompagner tout public quelque soit sa couleur, religion son genre, son statut social, orientation personnel, une bio que j'ai dûe supprimé de ma bio mais continue de suivre toutes les évolutions , nouvelles lois , voire changements de lois qui correspondaient jusqu'à ces 4 années aux Droits et devoirs Universels de l'homme qu'importe le pays malheureusement certains sont souvent condamnés par les institutions internationales sans plus car elles n'ont pas autant de pouvoirs qu'on le pense . Mais j'ai espoir que chacun nous tous nous avons d'oeuvrer dans le bon sens de sensibiliser et d'informer tout en adaptant de manière accessible notre forme à l'autre 🍀

We trust you. However, we do not trust Twitter's current administration. that's why we left twitter

Qu'importe qui sera l'administrateur qui aura à gérer Twitter, l'outil est plus sous la pression des Etats avec leurs propres lois face à des citoyens qui se retrouvent perpétuellement à rechercher d''auttres biais pour faire passer leurs opinions 🙍‍♀️ fort dommage. Elon d'ailleurs en tant propriétaire a eu ses premiers entretiens depuis l'acquisition qu'avec des Leaders qui tiennent ce qu'il respecte toutes les diverses formes de contraintes d'ordre légal propre à chaque pays . Du coup son slogan Free speech qu'il fanfaronnait dès le début est plus ubuesque voire illiisoire

What does it mean to get the badge of the world famous news site? It hampers people's right to receive news. Also, Jack Dorsey's administration has not shared users' identities with anyone. But suspended

Sous J. Dorsey il me semble qu'il y avait un excellent service juridique je me rappelle d'un cas de procès en France à l'encontre de jeunes , Twitter n'a pas plié les genoux , ce fut un problème entre la justice et les présumés coupables, néanmoins exceptionnellement en France nous avons encore la CNILqui peut encore protéger les Citoyens

Je suis totalement d'accord avec vous sur ce point.

The New York Times loses its Twitter Verified badge.

What does Elon Musk want?

Il me semble que c'est plutôt NYT de plus il y a beaucoup de célébrités qui commencent à ne plus adhérer à aux *sorties de M. tweet avec ses conditions et idées qui commencent à turpiler pas mal d'abonnés, ras le bol de ses sorties

NB s'il vous plaît Elon n'est pas s'il vous plaît un *Musc * il ferait trop des ravages à ne plus se sentir mais plutôt Musk rien à voir de grâce 😂

This is such an insane take from a man that helped create and develop Twitter to show so much optimism for a alternative platform/protocol. Props.

Twitter changed the world. It changed world history. No one can deny this. We learned freedom. We learned the importance of speaking freely. Twitter has changed over time. We've changed too. Some of us want more freedom.

This platform is currently a baby. It's so pure. When he grows up, there will definitely be similar problems. There will always be conflicts with those who like to rule others and those who don't. When that time comes, there will still be other ways to freedom.

Wise words, Jack. Patience is gold. Oops, it's Bitcoin I meant to say 😀

Well put Jack and #[3]​ very rounded, non-maximalist & relatively objective comparisons in your post. 👍

A small gift from Dall-E:

Yeah - there are many feels shared between Bitcoin & nostr.

I think nostr is on a different adoption trajectory to Bitcoin though. It's a lot cheaper & easier to move to nostr. Adoption will happen faster & then help with bitcoin adoption.

I think at some point there's a really compelling reason to have a Nostr npub, which then becomes it's tipping point. We'll all be here waiting for that moment, to help usher it in.

Until that day comes, I can dig the chill nostr vibe.

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In most states free speech becomes disorderly conduct if the words are fighting words i.e., if they are likely to cause a person to respond with violence.

Jack's words r most impressive - more to build , more to think n go forward. nostr has long way to grow beyond just active mostly tech nerds n bitcoiners. mainstream layman users are to yet arrive in nostr - we r early adopters that need feedback /suggest / make /break /recover n improve all difficulties we face using nostr when any ordinary internet users knows comes to nostr without being afraid of technology - we regain some true digital freedom worldwide.

This is certainly my strategy. I'm all in for #nostr, I devote many hours to it. I think it is the future. But I will not divorce myself from twitter because, as #[4] said, it is the currently the most important on-line public forum.

I expect this will gradually change over time as people tire of the constraints and meddling that must accompany any forum controlled by a single entity. Musk has changed the "feel" of twitter vastly for the better; but twitter still chides me when I say something it doesn't like, and people are still being banned and muted. Twitter must eventually pass into irrelevance.

But this will not happen quickly. The transition will likely be asymptotic.

Nor will #nostr be the only free player in town. Nor do we want to to be. When (if?) the agents of repression come to shut us down, we'll want there to be many players with many different strategies.

>From: JackDorsey at 04/02/23 14:40:02 on wss://offchain.pub

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>Agree with all of this but would love to see some balance. Twitter obviously still has the network and zeitgeist….and is the place to be when anything happens in the world. It is the most important host for the public conversation at the moment. And nearly 2 decades to work out many issues (and create more).

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>Twitter will never have many of the freedoms nostr enables. Doesn’t matter who runs it. It’s the single point of failure of an organization/company versus a protocol. Don’t trust me on this. It will continue to play out over the years.

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>nostr will be the slow and steady one to win the race…just like bitcoin. Either you build for and upon both, or you become increasingly irrelevant and disconnected (which is a reasonable, yet severe, decision to make).

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nostr is superior with all flaws

nothing can beat freedom

all freedom loving people from the bird will come over

the slavery loving ones will never join nostr

the question is: how many are they?

But generally the dynamic between the parties implodes. What are we expecting?

What are the plans for Bluesky in that?

Love you mind.. and loyalty

Hope Elon and yourself have deeper conversations..

*your

Thank you for your input, my friend. I completely agree that Twitter has a significant influence on the public conversation and that it will continue to have a role in shaping the zeitgeist. However, I also believe that decentralization and open protocols like Bitcoin and Nostr are essential for true innovation and long-term success.

While Twitter has had nearly 2 decades to work out many issues, it still operates under a centralized model, which means it is prone to single points of failure and the whims of those in power. In contrast, a decentralized system has no central point of control and can be far more resilient.

I also believe that Nostr will be a slow and steady force that will eventually win out over centralized platforms. Just like Bitcoin, Nostr prioritizes privacy, autonomy, and security, which are all crucial elements for true digital freedom.

So, I think it's essential to build upon both centralized and decentralized systems, depending on the context and use case. However, it's crucial to remember that decentralized, open protocols offer unique advantages that centralized platforms can never match.

Fascinating dynamic in play

I just gave up on Twitter. After Elon Musk turned it into a Russian propaganda and dezinfo machine, I am off. It's soo toxic. Thank you for helping to build Nostr

I hope that adds come on nostr and viewer get paid Bitcoin for engagement with the ads. What do you think? Iv seen implantation of this on sh*tcoins

The Starfish and the Spider

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Agree. I feel that all of the signal and the vast majority of my social networking will be on Nostr. I'll still check out Twitter from time to time for the reasons that you mentioned, but Nostr will be my home. Nostr is where my family resides.

Twitter is the worst. Our government still controls their portion it makes no sense. Better to aspire to be a dev on Nostr than anything on Twitter

I did a gov’t expose on corruption, discrimination last week. A lot of people who went through similar situations started opening up. The redirection was mostly via Twitter. In retrospect, we have a slightly better govt this year, but if it were the previous dictatorial gov’ts, people who expose corruption get bombed in cars, buried in cement, prisoned without trials and definitely kicked out of Twitter.

I think Twitter is 70% global and 30% US?. There isn’t enough appreciation (pre-Elon, mostly #[2] phase) on how much it helped with freedom of speech globally. It was not perfect, but it was useful. But I get now why we need a platform like Nostr.

Also that little notes Twitter used to send “your govt asked to ban you but we believe in protecting your rights and we will keep you here) - not often but I think back then (pre Elon, mostly #[2] phase) Twitter tried to fight the battle with governments globally and it is too much for one company to do. But you guys did try and thank you for that.

Yes 💯

Then please you and others who have money and power please do something to save us all 🙏🏼

And money that they can’t turn off with a phone call…

I loved Twitter when the conversation wasn’t centered around the ego of the person running it. It had a lot of flaws, and had the potential to be so much more, but because of its centralized structure, was never able to reinvent itself. Now all I see when I look at it is a sideshow run by a clown.

Yeah, any developer chasing the Twitter audience will be making a mistake. It reminds me of all the Facebook clones that tried to mimic the timeline experience only to inevitably give up because the network effects were too strong to overcome without a major differentiator.

Nostr is ultimately a healthier choice for one’s sanity. Too bad i dont heed my own words.

Dopamine hit by algo feeds is a huge competitive advantage.

Would love to see more bitcoiners on Nostr discussing financial world events.

Let's start. #[4]​ is here.

I have nothing to add👍 Brad. I need to present what Bitcoin is to Jonathan Wellum on twitter. He owns Rocklinc and is a sound money guy but has no clue about bitcoin. Do you have a good slideshow to share or know of any?

What is there to comment on?