Bizarre seeing people give out advice to wait until you're 35, to get married and have kids.
Has anyone considered that mating is supposed to happen BEFORE your brain starts to atrophy, and your gonads shrivel up, as that's sort of the point? Like, we're mammals. We're designed to reproduce sexually and pair-bond, and that's supposed to coincide with peak health and fertility.
Everything after 25 is downhill.
I would have been happy if I had become a father at 25!
Yes
Yeah, people thought my husband was "really young", to become a dad in his early 30s. But he's out there playing β½ with his son and nephews, and he's like, Yo... 50 is ancient. π
You have to think about how fit you are likely to be... later on. If you're a parent by 25, then you might be a grandparent by 50 and a great-grandparent by 75. If you start at 35, you have to add a decade to each following generation. More, really, as children tend to adopt the reproductive habits of their parents, so you'd be a parent at 35, grandparent at 70, then probably dead.
that is so true
I'd like to make it happen before 30 but life's whack ya know. Never really had grandparents either. I have a friend who had children very young, and they had great-great grandparents for a couple years I believe. It took me a while to get over the jealousy XD
Before 30 has become hard, for men, because of the astronomical cost of living, but it's still easily doable, for women. Before 25 is easy.
what i'm noticing at the moment amongst my peers is the stronger female income (or projected income when schooling is completed etc) so they will always need to have dual income and It does seem to put pressure on delaying. Most peers say they have no interest at the moment, but I have a feeling once they get a little more settled, in a house, with most debt paid off they'll change their minds. Instincts hormones and shit XD
the most despicable aspect of the raising of time preference by interest on money... why it was forbidden in the Bible
Ironically, all of the women earning so much money is what causes the price of living to go up. π Legit the root trigger for inflation, from back in the 70s, and they just keep doubling down.
Houses will cost what people can afford to pay for them.
*Cost what people can afford to finance* because they sure cannot afford to purchase XD
Well, yeah, the crazy financing is to stretch the dollars even thinner. They keep coming up with ways to keep the house prices up.
it's the demand side doubled, this is principally why the bankers funded suffragettes and getting women the vote and all that... to double their tax cattle base
people would not do this without being pushed and coerced and lured into it though
women are not hunters, engineers, builders or farmers, they are at best teachers, managers, nurses, artists... it's only PR that drives this nonsense about the upwardly mobile yuppie woman business nonsense, and it's completely illogical
it only continues because people can't put together enough money for a house anymore, it's got to the point where a substantial proportion of the population have given up on it altogether, and not only are they not buying houses they arent't getting married or having children, except for the women using it as a way to stay on welfare, and that was already a thing by the 70s
Yeah. A lot of the work women now do, used to be volunteer work, things they did for their families and neighbors, or was done by convents or other charities.
Everything got credentialized and professionalized, to inflate the cost, so that the government could skim taxes and state insurance payments off the top.
Mens' work tended to be stuff they did for strangers, so it was done in trade, which eventually led to payment with money.
For instance, if I clean my own house, and nurse the sick and elderly inside of it, and teach my children their 3Rs, and cook my own dinner, none of that is done in trade, so the value stays within the household. If I clean someone else's house, I get paid for it and the government takes 42% of the value. So, the person I clean for has to pay me that 42% more, to make it worthwhile for me to clean their house, rather than my own. In addition to the loss of value I have because I'm out of the house and can't perform my other duties, during this time. This inflates the cost of living. We pay more for everything, when strangers do it.
If my husband builds one electric gadget or dining room table, for his house, that's nice for us. If he builds another one, for the neighbor, in exchange for getting his car repaired, even nicer. But if he builds 5000 identical tables and sells them to people all over the planet, they will pay him in cash, and that money can then be used to purchase other goods and services that are highly specialized or that require unusual equipment or rare supplies, and therefore can't be efficiently produced in each household.
I appreciate this analysis :)
Because women tend to marry men who are older than them, I mean.
You would think owning lots of Bitcoin would cause people to have kids younger, but since they want to acquire more and don't want to spend it, they seem to delay childbearing even later than everyone else.
And the women hardly breed. They just talk about money, all day. They have wallet babies.π
Maybe because we've lived though so much inflation, we continually feel the need to hodl?
Same. I think about it often, and I will encourage my little one not to repeat the same "mistake"
My only advice is to make as much kids as posdible πππ I have 3 kids and I want at least 4 but 5 would be a good nicer.
I started at 30 and should have started earlier.
Yes, total number of offspring correlates with age at first birth. Generally, the earlier you start, the more kids you have. Not in comparison to other people, but in comparison to your later self, as personal/financial, health, and reproductive stresses quickly add up.
Yes indeed. Now so many people see kids as a curse/burden instead of a blessing. Some people will realize the mistake they made too late and will be depressed ro not have kids.
Well, it also contains its own logic, as the older you are, the more of a burden childbearing and child-rearing becomes. It's not just them becoming more selfish, it's also legitimately more-difficult and exhausting, and etc., so the decision becomes increasingly painful, and Aristotle said that it's the natural state of humans to avoid what is painful.
Your sleep patterns become more fixed, health issues are exacerbated, your brain is less plastic, you get used to a certain living standard and lifestyle, and adjusting "down" is painful, you have a cool job, dating scene gets more difficult, etc. Having children in my early twenties was bizarrely easy, in hindsight. Like, we were poor, our life was chaotic, and we hardly got any sleep, but we were too young, dumb, etc. to notice. π Young people are incredibly flexible and resilient, and they are happy with fewer creature comforts.
Yes indeed and you have less energy as well. Being able to carry your kids and run with them is more complicated when you have kids late.
How many kids do you have ? You want more ?
For some reasons i can't zap you 
you are truly a fountain of truth. I'm young/old at the same time....lived like a playboy and now well beyond 45 with no kids or "life partner" to come visit me or beg me for satoshis when I'm old and me and my dog are in an old folks home somewhere. I fucked up and I know it....I could just never get the stars to align ever for myself. or maybe I was afraid....who knows......so now I hang with the cool people on nostr for kicks...π¦....(<--this was as close as I could get to a nostritch on short notice.)
Iβm waiting until Iβm 165, if Iβm still alive then Iβll have robot arms and everything.
All of this is related to money and the incentives of all the states.
Money has network effects. For example, if more people adopt Bitcoin, then everyone participating in it will become richer exponentially. If Bitcoin becomes the standard in the world, that would just mean that having children would be the most direct and easy way for everyone to become richer.
The law of supply and demand says that the more you produce, the less value you get from each product in return because scarcity is diminished. That isn't true with producing humans. Human reproduction is a singularity point in the law of supply and demand. The more children you produce, the more wealth is returned to you (exponentially).
However, that's a problem for the states. When a state prints cuckbucks, it prints "debt" that is meant to be repaid in the future. Excessive impression of bills is meant to diminish their value and so the debt of the government
If the wealth of the overall population increases extremely suddenly (as is the case with exponential population growth), that would mean the value of the cuckbucks would increase proportionally, making the debt of the governments unpayable pretty quickly, meaning they would need to inflate the supply of cuckbucks unimaginably FAST. That would easily expose their printing compulsion and their larceny. Then, everyone would notice that and would be outraged and overthrow their governments.
Having said all that, this shows why the states are so obsessed with regulating the family in all their aspects and why they promoted such anti-population agendas and ideologies almost worldwide. It's an attempt to seize our means of production and (most importantly) our means of reproduction, to make us all poorer so their debt and robbery aren't exposed.
Also, I'm starting to think that this is the reason why social media were created in the first place. Make people insensible, completely disconnected from reality so their social links are severed and they can easily go to war or be the useful idiots of the state that promote socialism, malthusianism and anti-population agendas. You will have nothing and you will be happy
Listen to them. This person knows what they are talking about. Once you hit 35 shit starts to get wear and tare on your body. You ain't as fast and durable anymore. You are entering the time of I leaned over to pick something up, pulled out my back, and im on the couch for a couple hours to recuperate.
You need to be in peak physical condition to have children. Try chasing around kids when you are 40 years old that don't want to use the potty during training. You will feel like you ran a marathon, lifted weights, worked on an assembly line, and got hit repeatedly, because you said no more standing up on the chairs.
As well as so mentally exhausted by the time 7pm rolls around you are ready for bed before they are. My words of advice are akin to their words of advice.
Find someone you love. Get a stable income. Get married at 22-25 years old. Start banging your wife raw dog on the wedding night and take her to bed every opportunity you have. Knock her up and have a baby asap.
Repeat the process a year and a half later. Continue making babies until you are either satisfied, can't afford to have anymore, or you've reached a dozen kids or so Amish style.
This is the key to true happiness. Not fucking having fur babies and being brainwashed into voluntary sterility. If you can't have kids. Skip the fucking and go right to adoption. They need good parents too.
I was married at 24 and Iβm still happily married to a gorgeous woman who has given me 4 healthy children (2 girls, 2 boys). Had my first child at 28. I agree that where possible itβs best to start early with a life partner and kids.
I also get that for many people now they canβt seem to find a partner willing to commit to marriage and children in their 20s and in this game it takes 2 to tango.
I disagree heartily that everything is downhill from 25. Yea for sure you might have peak energy at 25, and less aches and pains but I can honestly say at 38 Iβm in excellent health. I have superb energy and vitality, sleep well, my libido is as good as it was at 25 and Iβm more aware of balancing my wellbeing.
Everything is downhill from when you start allowing yourself to succumb to entropy. Fight against it and the edge stays keen.
How old are you? How long have you been married and how many children do you have?
Could not agree more! This prolonged adolescence BS really needs to stop.
I married young by a lot of folks' standards at age 21 and it was the best decision I ever made. My wife and I have three daughters and the first one arrived just before our two-year anniversary. We would have loved to have more, but she had particularly difficult pregnancies. Now I look forward to having lots of grandkids in my 40s, instead of having just barely started a family.
Enough of my subjective experience, though. Objectively, we are in our prime-years for producing children in our 20s. That is by design.
