If you had to choose between:
1. Officers wear a mask and
2. bringing down Palantir style hammer and domestic terrorist charges on all doxxers swatters and veiled threats
Which would you choose?
Discussion
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So the life style you choose for your family is either:
1) You have masked men knocking on your home?
Or 2) Palantir monitors your every move in your home?
Neither. If people are doing illegal harassment you charge them with a crime. ICE agents are special snowflakes most of them are barely literate.
There is no neither option. Pick one.
Why would I have to pick one? I am generally opting out of the circus with my currency choices, why would I have to choose between to false situations. We don’t let law enforcement run amok unless we are asshole authoritarians.
Because under the status quo your strategy does not work. It is too time consuming and costly and will not achieve the removal objective.
Masked ICE Agents is the lowest friction option even if it is regrettable. If there are specific cases of US Citizens getting wrongly deported let them sue. That is cheaper than playing defense against a terrorist horde or having ICE family members targeted .
The lowest friction move would be to jail employers of immigrants who are here illegally and to use the vast financial surveillance systems we have built to deal with the gangsters who don’t have employers. Having a bunch of poorly trained tubby bitches running around like retarded children is not an actual solution it just makes maga race obsessed happy by giving them a job with no standards and increases anger in cities which leads to violence which leads to escalation which gets trump What he wants which is a paramilitary force in all cities during the next election
Ya I'm not against jailing employers
You still sound like a CNN watcher TDS victim. Idgaf how they do it the problem has to be solved. The majority of the country voted to solve it. It will be solved. I suggest you do something more constructive with your time.
ya man let's just let infinity immigrants stay here forever and vote for gay race communism. That's what freedom looks like!
The "idgaf how its solved" is how we create problems. Cuz technically amnest solves illegal immigration. So does mass murder. So does a palantir powered surveillance state aimed at law abiding citizens
Ya you don't give a fuck just let the problem happen until you're outnumbered in your homeland and subjugated by communists. That's real freedom 🤡🤣
Couldn't help but notice you didn't object to any of the 3 options I mentioned, so sounds to me like you are ok giving up your own rights and freedoms to take care of the problem. The founders wrote about people like you.
I dont care about your gay sophistry. All of my rights are violated by importing them. None of them are being violated by removing them at status quo.
The founders wrote about people like you 🤡 GFY youre satisfied to get checkmated by the Cloward Pivon plan and still have your rights taken anyway
How are your rights violated by them being here? I believe they should be removed, but not by murdering them (violating their right to life), bc right come from God, not the govt.
I guess you're too retarded to know how to create a lifestyle that removes you from the system that is implementing the cloward pivon plan. I'm out in my own community asserting my rights and active in local politics, what are you doing besides being a keyboard warrior?
They are violated by them coming here and increasing my tax burden (property), causing more crime (threat to life), and voting for more gay race communism (all three)
Bitcoin doesnt remove millions of illegals. You running away to a red county does not stop a multigenerational plan to turn the country into South Africa. You can stop LARPing now.
Just box me or shut the fuck up tough guy idc about your vapid opinions.
Ah, so the immigrants are violating your rights by proxy because the state is stealing from you.
I don't think I've heard a gayer argument, nor does that standup to any philosophical scrutiny. Someone can't violate your rights by proxy. Now you could argue that the negative externalities created from keeping them hear makes the state increase your taxes, but that is different from violating your rights. You don't have a right to low taxes.
"I guess you're too retarded to know how to create a lifestyle that removes you from the system that is implementing the cloward pivon plan."
Uhhhhh. Why should we have to?
You can act like you're somehow superior for your choices that navigate around this system but like. You're not arguing in favor of destroying it. You're not saying that the people behind it or the ones that benefit from it are evil people who should for all intents and purposes be hanged publicly.
And then you're saying the idea of "defending your country" doesn't apply here?
Contradictory much?
The welfare state shouldn't exist. Attack that and legally remove illegals. That's what I'm advocating for.
And no I don't think people with a different political ideology from me should be hanged. That's statist bullshit and if you advocate for it, it will be used against you.
If you're being robber by the state to fund welfare, it's on you to either end that policy by the state or figure out how to not contribute to that program. Not advocate for murdering illegals and those associated with them.
You keep saying "defending your country" like I am opposed to fighting these dog shit ideas. I'm not, but you can't use state sponsored violence and illegal methods to defend your country, bc then you're contributing just as much to the downfall of the US. You sound like you would be on the side of the ATF in Waco to defend the US against Christian extremism or some shit.
"The welfare state shouldn't exist. Attack that and legally remove illegals. That's what I'm advocating for."
Too slow.
"And no I don't think people with a different political ideology from me should be hanged. That's statist bullshit and if you advocate for it, it will be used against you."
Treason isn't a political ideology. Advocating for the invasion of the country is treason. It's an act of war.
"If you're being robber by the state to fund welfare, it's on you to either end that policy by the state or figure out how to not contribute to that program. Not advocate for murdering illegals and those associated with them."
Too slow.
"You keep saying "defending your country" like I am opposed to fighting these dog shit ideas. I'm not, but you can't use state sponsored violence and illegal methods to defend your country, bc then you're contributing just as much to the downfall of the US. You sound like you would be on the side of the ATF in Waco to defend the US against Christian extremism or some shit."
Too slow. Can and should. No you're not. That's a false equivalence.
Fuck off dude, too slow is not a valid response when the govt was literally designed to move slowly to protect peoples rights.
"Treason isn't a political ideology. Advocating..."
Wrong, you can advocate for litterally anything in America except for violence against a specific person. Nazis advocate to kill all Jews, BLM folks were saying kill all whites, etc. It's not treason until there are actions taken and even then you have to prove it in court.
"Levying war against the United States, or
Adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort"
Importing millions of people that are diametrically opposed to the American way of life and aim to destroy fundamental protections of rights in the constitution are treasons acts. Treason is not a political ideology. Aiding and comforting our enemies is also taking place. Again. Treason is not a political ideology.
Too slow is a completely valid response. It's the basis for emergency declarations, war powers, executive orders, emergency legislation.
What fucking enemies dude? I bet half of the people you're talking about are from countries we are allied with.
"It was not enough, Chief Justice John Marshall’s opinion emphasized, merely to conspire “to subvert by force the government of our country” by recruiting troops, procuring maps, and drawing up plans. Conspiring to levy war was distinct from actually levying war."
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-iii/clauses/39
"A citizen intellectually or emotionally may favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to this country’s policy or interest, but, so long as he commits no act of aid and comfort to the enemy, there is no treason."
What you're talking about is not treason, it's conspiracy. Unless you can define this enemy you're speaking of, it doesn't fit the definition of treason, you're just making a boogeyman.
Again. There is no evidence I could potentially present that will get you to believe the things I'm saying and realistically I don't care to waste my time trying.
I don't care about that justice's opinion.
And I don't care about your opinion of his opinion either.
Bc, like illegal immigrants, you don't respect the rule of law. You don't have principles, you just point and say "this is wrong, that is right" arbitrarily and use that to justify violence. I don't respect the law myself, but the government HAS to follow it, otherwise we live in a monarchy and the rules only apply to citizens.
A judge's opinion is not the rule of law.
Illegal immigrants don't deserve respect.
Invasion and treason justify violence.
Pretty simple really.
"A judge" its literally the "opinion" of the supreme court.
Invasion and tresson justify violence. Your definition of those words doesn't meet the standard of the highest law of the land. If the supreme courts opinion isn't valid, then I assert that you are being treasonous and all violence against you is permitted, because we're just using arbitrary definitions.
Nope. You're conflating judgement and governance.
lol look how quickly you've decided that violence against me is warranted and I'm a random citizen. Funny how that works.
I think I'll take this as you conceding your argument because you've now advocated for the force of the American government to be levied on me as a tactic of debate.
We're done here. Bye.
See, you don't like when an arbitrary definition of treason is applied to you. Lol I just used your own logic against you and it triggered you so bad you rage quit
He is obviously MAGA and not to be taken seriously. You would have a more compelling conversation with a grapefruit.
My rights and freedoms have already been given up to accommodate evil people that are in my country or being brought into my country.
If it requires putting peoples heads on pikes to ward off those who intend on doing evil within my country so be it.
If it requires the slaughter of millions of people who are here but shouldn't be. So be it.
I don't think you understand the true scale of the problem.
Ight, matching evil with evil is not the way, no need to continue the conversation if you're ok with murder.
Defending your country isn't murder.
It sure ain't, but the self-defense argument doesn't apply. Otherwise by your logic every person who simply walk across your lawn justifies them being murdered
Why not? Cause you said so?
Self defense implies imminent danger.
Immigrants are stealing billions of tax dollars in multiple states.
I don't know if your head is completely buried in the sand about this but like. There are a hundred million people in our country that shouldn't be here.
There is just no amount of evidence that I could present to you that will be enough for you to believe there is imminent danger.
Yes because you don't understand the definition of "imminent danger"
If someone robs you, you don't get to go to their house and murder them, that is still murder bc self-defence does not apply.
But also, while I believe the fraud stuff I'm seeing on the news, technically they are innocent until proven guilty and also you are advocating for collective punishment. As I said before, end the welfare state and remove all the illegals through legal methods, not murder.
They're hostile invaders. I do not care if you believe that we are in a war or not. We are.
These people are enemy combatants and they do not have any rights.
I do not care that this doesn't look like some regular boots on the ground theatre of war. We are in a war. Our country is being invaded it's time to wake up to the reality of the situation.
We aren't going to file paperwork or vote our way out of this.
War has a very specific definition and you clearly don't know it.
You don't believe we are at war anyways or you would be our there shooting illegals or whoever were at war with yourself, or you are a coward.
War has many definitions actually. Given that you're being so smug when you're wrong means that I don't really have to take anything you're saying that seriously.
Just because I believe something doesn't mean I am going to go out and act on that belief? What is your life like? Are you a child? You just go around acting on impulses because of your beliefs?
Actually yes, the entirety of my life is aligned with my beliefs, it's easy to do if your beliefs are aligned with the truth.
The right way to deal ICE
There is a certain type who think they are on the right who have forgotten this very basic idea. I have so little respect for people who align right and then give away liberty especially in America.
100%
Unfortunately not everyone can take the risk to assert their rights.
https://video.nostr.build/d81a84a912a0f2690e707489b17d9a207bf716d9f83435c4544a980f0d684c26.mov
Both Biden and Obama removed more immigrants in 4 years than trump did his first term. Your understanding of this issue is so limited I don’t think it’s worth talking to you about it. TDS is shit retards say when they have no argument. Trump is a piece of shit just like every other politician, you believing him is the deranged part.
1. Biden did not do more removals
2. Obama padded stats by counting turning people away from the border as a deportation
3. Obama deported around 350k per year on average
4. This year Trump removed 600k, caused 2M self DEPORTATIONS and made crossings drop by 95%
5. You're a deranged retard and I would dunk on you on your best day
6. GFY
TYFYATTM
1. Semantics. Biden issued title 42 to expel 3 million migrants and then after the ending of the medical emergency continued to deport people at a higher rate than any year in the decade prior. Under Biden asylum rules were changed that effectively made most asylum seekers ineligible. Bidens total is just shy of 5 million people removed during his time in office.
2. Citation needed. Obama had a much higher annual deportation average through out his presidency than trump did during trumps 1st term.
3. 600k is good but look at the absurd budget increase to do it. It still doesn’t match bidens average. Self deportations is a nearly impossible stat to track. Biden managed over 1million a year and he didn’t have to have goon squads on the streets or quadruple the budget of ICE.
You are just having a lot of feelings because deep down you know that trump is ushering in a surveillance state. Between giving palantir and oracle the keys to all our data and the genius act that is clearly a thinly veiled cbdc your daddy god king is a threat to all our liberty. You are too deranged to get it. You still think this is left vs right. It’s adorable, and sad.
"daddy god king" keep your sick twisted gay pedo fantasies to yourself. I hired trump to do a job and hes doing it. Cry harder fun boy.
Heres your source: https://elpasomatters.org/2025/02/13/gigafact-fact-brief-most-deportations-obama-trump-removals/ 3M/8= 375k < 600k.
Looks like your argument fell apart. Gg. Now all thats left is boxing in the street lmk if you wanna take me up on it in DMs.
I was comparing trumps first term you retard. He did less than Obama did per year. Bidens 4.7 million were done with a quarter of the budget and didn’t require goon squads violating citizens rights to pull it off.
You hired trump to fix your daddy issues. It is clear as day that you have deep emotional problems and need a big strong man in your life to make it all better. It’s okay I get it.
I was comparing trumps first term 🤡= i was wrong but im right!
Are we in Trumps first or second term? Lmk if you need time to ask ChatGpt
Ok prove im weak in a street boxing match. You wont because you are gay. Run and hide. Arguing is gay.
I can’t compare trumps second term retard because he hasn’t finished it. All I know is he is spending a massive amount of money and is on track to expel fewer numbers than Biden. I bring up Obama because he didn’t as a rule talk about illegal immigrants much and still had solid number of deportations where as trump talked about it a lot and did a worse job of it his first go round.
I didn’t vote for any of these clowns but i always find it funny to find people online drooling over the thought of someone like trump. Just an absolute scammer and corrupt to the core and somehow you have made most of your identity about him. Pretty weird behavior tbh.
Domestic terrorist charges for giving up someone’s identity? 🤦🏻♂️
If that’s the case then dress up Barbie noem should be labeled a domestic terrorist for identifying the murderer. Speaking of, his information has been out for days, have there been any reports about people harassing him or his family because I sure as fuck haven’t heard anything even though he deserves it.
Ya way to strawman like a typical lib. We are talking about doxxing and collaboration for violent acts which is commonplace now for people who merely speak their mind publicly.
Lesbian commando had it coming. You are gay.