It didn't take me long to realize that I actually have more in common with many social-democrats, crunchy-granola people, well-integrated migrants, and "literally Nazis", who love their homeland and want to at least try to fix or mitigate the problems, than with Bitcoiners who feel indifference for the people around them and the land that they live in, and are just waiting to run away and live like kings among poor strangers.

There are just the Anywheres and the Somewheres.

I am not running. Bury me here.

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Yup.

S'why I'm not now nor will ever be "just BTC."

I'm trying to find my somewhere. I don't feel whole without that. I'm not sure I've ever had it and thinking about that fills me with a nearly overwhelming, deep sadness.

Move closer to your parents. That'll make you feel more rooted.

All the moving around is bad for the human soul.

Only real nomads are good with being transient because they move around with their entire clan and their homes.

my opa, my father and me all were displaced by war, first WW2, then the indonesian war of independence, and then the australian socialism drove me away from there as well

my mother's family hardly moved at all, i think 3 times in my grandfather's life

the only real nomads are people like mongolians who have to literally pack up their yurts to move to other parts to graze their sheep, goats and horses

everyone else who moves a lot is a literal refugee

My grandparents came to Germany dragging a hand cart and some toddlers, on the one side, and were migrant sharecroppers picking oranges and cotton, and living in trailers, on the other.

My husband's family has verifiably been living in this village for at least 500 years. They've probably been here since the Romans.

Staying in place is the new luxury. I am so tired of living out of a suitcase and some cardboard moving boxes.

indeed, i am tired of it too... i'm even planning in the next two years to get my patch of dirt, build my crazy bunker, and start learning how to keep goats and sheep, and learning how to preserve food that will keep me through as much as 3 years of famine

You could ask nostr:npub1cm87c625x3tzqu2qzf7e845749k58u7xvx2gc8ym0wmg9sytwwuqdrzwm4 for advice. I think he has goats.

i just need to work, and stack, and get myself to where i want to set up, buy whatever i need to get left alone by the local immigration pigs and be able to own land, that's it

the rest is easy, goat and sheep herding is common across the areas i have in mind to settle, as is heating the house with coal or wood, it's really the perfect place to get stuck, i just have to have enough to get lodged

I am not the one that spends time with the goats and sheeps but yeah. We have a few. And we make the best yoghurt 😄

*envies as green as lettuce puree*

Where ate you planing to live if i may ask?

eastern bosnia, the most mountainous part of the country, either that or northwest montenegro, i am not sure which would be better... you can see by the maps that northeast montenegro is very sparsely populated

Bosnia and Montenegro sound good. There is a chance of a war conflict in the neighborhood, but except that it should be nice.

Australian socialism? 🤔

one of the most advanced welfare systems on the planet, one of the most stealthy apartheid systems on the planet, probably the largest number of known (by australian federal police) pedophiles on the planet, what other metrics are there? one of the highest effective tax rates on the planet, the largest administrative and licensure burden on business on the planet

idk, how many of those things need to be true to call it socialism?

israel and south africa are the other two in around the same level of socialism

australia is funded by minerals, israel by america, and south africa by minerals

Still not socialism.

my metric of socialism is how much of my income and how much of my life the government interferes with to my detriment, australia is one of the worst in the world

the best places i have lived in this respect have been in the balkans, western europe and southwest europe are also shitty, but only if you want to import things, mainly... and i don't want to or need to run a business, i am a programmer so i can work for anyone anywhere, and better if it's not local

they can't catch everyone, that's the biggest flaw in their system... one of the few movies actually directed by George Lucas, THX-1138 envisions a techno socialist system, and in the end of the story (spoiler) they run out of budget to stop him escaping their borders

here's my story about why i call what they have in australia socialism:

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What i understood is that you don't like interference in your life etc. Applied socialism, for example in USSR, had a lot of it. But we can't blaim socialism for the bads of capitalism. Capitalism has a lot of it too, maybe more. The system you were living on is capitalistic

so you consider socialism and capitalism to be similar?

then i don't mean capitalism either, actually i didn't even mention that

i mean honest, bible based free market capitalism honest weights and measures and no usury and no tyranny

maybe i'm idealistic but if you ask me the human race has inflicted this suffering on itself because every time you tolerate an incursion it gets easier to push harder on you the next time, and if your threshold is low, then you will get squashed and find yourself in a prison of slavery before you know it

i'd rather die than be a slave

"Batty : Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave."

- Blade Runner

like Orwell writes in Nineteen Eighty Four

if you don't know the words for things you can't think about them

The greek language has more words than the other languages. I do see a difference with other people sometimes. They can't describe something accurately enough in their language and they choose an alternative or loose description.

Yeah i get you i think and i like your plans etc but free market capitalism without usury and tyranny is an impossible longshot i think by definition. Not to mention the honesty you say.

Capitalism and socialism are similar in many ways. Good in theory, awful in practice. Most people can live under a modest capitalistic or socialistic regime but everyone wants to change what is having. Anyway, the thing is that many people blaim socialism for bad things that capitalism has and thus dive deeper in the capitalistic shit. It's a weird thing, yet happens all the time. You can see everywhere blaiming socialism for capitalistic doings.

i think that goodness is rare, by its nature, and thus requires more work than evil to achieve, but has a greater durability, so the initial outlay tends to be commensurate with the result

this is what people mean when they talk about "high time preference" - that is where you want the least work for the least bad result

"low time preference" is where you want the least work for the best result, over a much longer time window

i don't even understand what the socialist definition of any word means, but the word capitalism is the least clear

they seem to think that "capital" means power, and power is influence, and the ability to deceive

but actually, this is thanks to a historical linguistic thing

capitoline hill, one of the 7 in Rome, is the location of the Temple of Saturn

capital, in the sense of the german word "Kapital" as in the basis of the title of Marx's book "Das Kapital" ostensibly was talking about the matter of resources, what is understood by business people and a substantial part of the economic theorist population by the word "Capital" is simply the resources that can be applied to use for a given end

the optimal application of capital gives you the most beneficial result for the majority of people

the least optimal application of capital gives you the most beneficial result for the smallest minority of people

when i say "capitalism" i mean someone who works on optimizing the application of resources to the greatest profit for the greatest number of people, because i consider "capital" to mean resources and "capitalizing" is well understood to make the greatest possible value out of a resource

how "capital" and "power" get confused with each other is part of the mind trick that these plutocrats, or maybe it's more accurate to say they are members of the Temple of Saturn, which is on the hill called "Capitoline" and the word "capito" means to grasp, and there is two meanings of grasping

one is the basis of "entrepreneur" the french word for grasp, the latin "capito" is "pren-" and "entrepreneur" means to "grasp between" (entre means between, which is also related to the word for "enter" which means to penetrate an opening).

the other meaning of grasp is literally theft

so you see, there is a persistent and unmitigated confusion between the meaning of seizing opportunities and taking advantage of people using mechanisms of power, which depend on deception and theft

if you believed that black means light and white means darkness, then how could i have a conversation with you about the nature of the illumination of an environment, or an image?

same problem with this confusion between capital and power

if we can't agree what these words mean, we can't have a conversation, and this is a deliberate poisoning of the language, and if you actually have read Nineteen Eighty Four you would understand that one of the primary tools of socialists, or, as Orwell called them "Oligarchic Collectivists" is to distort the language, and eliminate logic that would mean people could understand they are being lied to

so, i hereby recuse from engaging in a conversation with a person who does not know the definition of "capital" and who confuses it with "power" and expects me to assume the same meaning of their words

i wish i could say there was some better option here but Stella bumped me into you and i am a fiercely free market, Misesian person who considers the OLD and ORIGINAL meaning of the german word "Kapital" to mean resources, not power, it is a terrible waste of my time to say one more word to you, unless you are going to do yoru homework.

Wow. What a mesh. I couldn't imagine that, mot even close. No wonder that people are so confused. That being said, i am not the one who has to do homework. And Orwell was precise about oligarchic collectivists. That's all i have to say

Socialism is an alternative to capitalism as potassium cyanide is an alternative to water. The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses.

-- Ludwig von Mises - Human Action

I will, but I'm struggling with how close to move. Where they are is dead, job-wise. Perfect for retirees, not perfect for me since I still have debt and will for a few years.

Yeah. Same here. I'd like to be in community with my parents etc. But my job, which is providing for whole family is in the capital.

We are trying to make it work, with some double flat, partiall commuting etc. But of course this all means it will be quite expensive 🤷‍♂️

Yup.

After this year, I'll be able to survive with much, much less fiat coming in, so I'll be able to not need as much in the way of pay, but, I'm well past the high-point of my ability to work, and thus, time is much more of a priority as I finally think I have my priorities straight and want more time to put towards those things, so working a low paying job to pay my bills really doesn't sit well.

I really do hope that is I finish my novel that I can get it published, as doing so would very likely allow me to break the cycle of being a wage slave.

That would be great! Good luck with that!

Thank you.

I'm not convinced it would be great. But I think it's better than doing nothing and being very unsatisfied with inaction.

Glad my husband mostly has home-office because he also works in the city. I understand the difficulty.

My family has never left their hometown for 3 generations and refuses to leave, they have nothing keeping them except excuses and fear of unknown. It's becoming quite a hell hole. IMO there is no fixing it. It's been on a steady decline for a century. Quality is rapidly declining, getting more dangerous by the day, vacant homes or unkempt rentals, school/property taxes climbing by 2%/year some years where schools are "too dangerous" to send your kids too. City school districts keep closing and forcing the surrounding areas to compensate, locals pay taxes to bus kids from cities with condemned schools to suburban schools. The state requires private schools take on some of these students and add it as a line item to private student tuition. I'm just trying to get them out before it gets too dangerous and property values plummet.

Chances are I will be moving somewhere else on my own in the next couple years (likely far from family to start my own family I hope) someplace less dystopian. Haven't decided yet.

🫂

Have they considered homeschooling?

They are far closer to nature, it's nature that is home.

You can't sink strong roots in solid concrete, it's only when it breaks that things take root again.

And don't forget, your ancestors were moving around far longer than they were settled...

Their sense of place was determined differently, in the case of aboriginals it was building a fire & obviously their clan around them.

I vote go where your treated best

I vote to make the place you currently are less shitty.

Ironically the people who leave *because* it’s shitty and they are being treated better elsewhere might be the catalyst for the locals making it less shitty, lest they lose more people.

And the people staying even though it’s shitty in the hopes they can make it better might be perpetuating the shittiness by tolerating it.

I also think it’s important to connect with a place and put down roots. I think it’s dumb to keep moving just to shave off a little on the marginal tax rate. But you have to retain the nuclear option if the local authorities are intent on running it into the ground.

We left LA in 2016 where we had a ton of roots, and I have zero regrets about leaving that shit hole. (No offense to anyone who still lives there!)

The people who leave are just making more room for the rest of us.

Hopefully more room and a message that there will be nothing but room if they don’t change course.

The people who leave were never really here.

sometimes it’s the place that is no longer there, and the people are just coming around to that reality

Nah. People who want to leave always make excuses why "now is a good time to leave".

Ignoring the fact that times have been hard there, before, and people left then, too.

People have been running away from every region of Europe, since it was settled.

But not everyone left. We call the people who didn't leave, or who have since arrived and made their homeland here, "Europeans".

But the people who have “since arrived” also left someplace behind.

Some excuses are good ones.

Everyone has come from someplace else, or their ancestors did.

The question is, are you really someplace, now?

Right, so if you choose to stay in your current place in order to improve things, you are only in that place because you (or your ancestors) choose to bail on someplace else.

There is nothing final or fundamental about the place you are in presently. If you have roots, it will take more ill treatment for you to leave, but you are only even there at all because you or someone else already left somewhere else!

So the question isn’t stay or leave, it’s stay or leave under what conditions.

And ironically sometimes the conditions of the original place only improve when they realize they’re driving people out.

The question is whether it is worth it to care about the opinions of people who feel no strong attachment for the place they are at. They are transients.

I will focus my energy on the people who will be here, tomorrow. Everyone else is just passing through, regardless of where they are from.

Those people are like shareholders in a large publicly traded company that want money now but won’t own shares 50 years from now and know it. They don’t mind gutting R and D for money now. Why would they? The consequences of that will be someone else’s problem, they’ll have moved on or will then. Or they’ll support spending money on the wrong things because it will boost profits in the short term. Or because “its the right thing to do” for social justice.

But take the analogy all the way through — you obviously sell your stock if the company is long-term mismanaged. You have no obligation to go bankrupt.

You don’t but why should the people with a long term generational share in the company trust you or think you should have a say because you bought shares last month.

Especially if they aren’t allowed a say in who gets to by shares or told they have to let you buy shares.

The analogy breaks down because companies are public, whereas countries only permit full citizenship by permission (or least that used to be the case).

In the former, if I bought yesterday, I have the same rights as you. In the latter, it used to take time (before unchecked immigration) to establish the full rights of citizenship like voting.

So typically transient digital nomads do not have the same rights as residents and especially citizens, nor should they.

But if your company (or country) goes totally to shit (and I don’t just mean has a minor recession), you’d be very foolish IMO to go down with the ship out of loyalty to what it used to be.

There’s a difference between living somewhere, legally or not, and being part of the community. Just moving in doesn’t give you that. My area is going through large scale migration right now. Citizens moving in from 1,000s of miles away. All legal. My family has been in this county for 300 years. Well. It will be 300 years in 2045. I don’t figure to be the one to leave. Even if people are ruining it. I figure that all dries up as the current financial system becomes less and less able to build 1,000 homes at a go and sell them later instead of a few people moving in and building houses as they move. I’ll say it though, when people move into an area and start wanting to raise taxes to pay for more schools and teachers I start to get onboard with not having the vote until you’ve lived in a community for 10-15 years.

He isn't wrong that if everyone around you is fucking it, it is time to leave.

Why live behind enemy lines.

If you are behind enemy lines, you aren't going to get the value out of that chunk of dirt you otherwise would.

I get the whole generational attachment bit, but is it the area or the people & history that you are really attached to? I think you'll find if the population changes & the old landmarks you are used to are destroyed, that attachment will wane significantly.

I reckon that's actually part of the goal btw, to destroy the fabric of areas they wish to control ...

So unless you have some way to halt it, it's already done, this area has already lost most of the nostalgia it had.

Yes, they're just reaping profits, on their way out.

And everyone who wants to stay here needs to be very aware of their attitude. They often sound very generous and "open-minded" because they feel like they're spending other people's money and writing rules they won't have to follow.

I don’t think you should care about their opinions, either. But I was a transient here until I wasn’t.

But if the EU passes retarded laws that destroy my quality of life, I will surely leave for somewhere that won’t.

And I’m someone who craves firm roots. You just don’t want them in soil that’s become infested. And unfortunately, there is a lot of infestation going around.

The thing is: What do you expect when you leave? I thought about it for a long time. The thought that the grass is greener elsewhere? Or that you can tolerate everything better because it's not your "own" country? I look at the countries advertised and ask myself: would I feel more comfortable there, or comfortable at all?

I would rather shape my environment. I have moved a lot in my adult life. You take yourself and your problems with you and then there's also the fact that you feel like a stranger.

So let them go, but we create our home at home.

All a matter of what the conditions are. Reason so many people immigrated to America in the 20th century was opportunity. Have to be willing to fold a losing hand.

A college professor once spoke about how the ancient Greeks believed the town of Delphi was "the center of the world."

Then he told us, "Every place on earth is the center of the world."

To be human is to love a place, because it's not interchangeable with any other.

Yep, like the Chinese character for China:🀄, which means "the central kingdom"

Literally nazis? Come on...

I used quotes. 😂

I dont think they are indifferent, they just gave up on changing the majority of NPC's around them, fighting a doomed system and embracing an opportunity the modern world offers.

Doesn't change the fact that the people who are leaving are not the ones you give your attention to.

I'm somewhere in between. love the homeland, but we're riding a wave of stupidity. Sometimes it's ok to evacuate during a storm. I was in Louisiana for Katrina, and I can tell you that it wasn't fun. The financial reckoning from an overreaching government and a populace that refuses to wake up feels like it will be similar but slow moving.

I can come back for the rebuilding stage.

Someone once told me: "Once you reach a certain point, money is just 'keeping score'"

Ultimately, money has no meaning.

It's the other things in life that give life meaning.

Don't ever lose sight of that fact.