I dislike the phrase "the dark web". If it was dark, most people wouldn't be able to access it or use it daily. Most of us use this "mysterious" dark web every single day. Most of Bitcoin and Lightning operates on the dark web. Maybe we should call it the non-standard web? ...the private web? Those aren't sexy phrases, but they're more aptly fitting.
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I agree Derek. I was actually avoiding the Dark Web in the early days just because of the name alone. I know that is slightly ignorant on my part but the power of suggestion is just that, powerful.
Absolutely. I was in the same mindset too. Using a negative or mysterious name implies that it's bad or shouldn't be used. When in fact many people around the world use this tool to escape censorship.
The communications giant said that 7.6 million current customers and 65.4 million former customers had their personal information leaked to the dark web approximately two weeks ago, forcing the company to reset the passcodes of current customers. The leak comes three years after a hacker claimed to have breached the company’s system and acquired the records of 73 million customers. AT&T reported that the leaked info was from 2019 and earlier and included names, addresses, phone numbers, and Social Security numbers. The company said it’s conducting an investigation and there was no evidence that its system was breached. No wonder we dislike the name, dark web.
Idk how to access the deep web
I like this naming. The surface or shallow web and the deep web. This implies that everyone can access both, but one is harder to access requiring a bit of work.
In another context, I’ve been using the term ‘delegated web’ as a better description than ‘web of trust’. I may need to better understand the origin and delegation of authority but that doesn’t mean I trust it.
I've heard them used in conjunction.
Like deep is a component of dark I think. Idk.
deepweb usually means non-indexed http (normal web pages you can't find in Google), whereas darkweb refers to non-http (web pages you can't even visit without special software, usually Tor)
So what's the next level after tor?
I want to learn more about cyber security and privacy, but if I ask anyone they call me a fed. I literally want to learn what I don't know.
"The Not So average but totally normal web"
The google gfy web
My node always was and always will be onlynet=onion
It's not dark, it just isn't indexed by search engines.
DuckDuckGo and other smaller engines to include Tor sites.
That's the deep web, not the dark web. And yes, I agree with Derek that it's a bad name, partially because people confuse it with the deep web all the time.
What's the difference here? I would assume they're the same, just different words being used to describe the same thing?
Dark web is tor/i2p et al (usually just referring to tor hidden services). Deep web is the segment of the normal WWW not indexed by search engines - internal company stuff behind logins, cloud storage, private forums etc.
That said, yeah, the two are mixed up and used interchangeably all the time. But they are separate concepts.
Yeah, I'm definitely not a fan of that phrase, especially with the connotations that it has today. Just because you're using something like Tor or I2P doesn't necessarily mean that you're doing something sketchy or illegal.
ungovernable web
Isnt also called deep-web tho regardless how you name it people need to care first
IIRC I only ever see it referred to as the dark web in a negative connotation.
Maybe thats a american thing Or mainstream media thing i should say.
As far back as i can remember i know it as the deepweb and the darkweb being the term used to describe the shady things on it.
since the creation of #nostr the World Wide Web is finally quite fitting. It was never quite world wide before.
The Free Web
"Private web" is good.
unfiltered web
the dark Web is anything that Google chooses not to index and so is not visible in their search engine.
perhaps we should call it the censored Web?
that is what darkness means to them, they who see themselves as the bringers of the light
how about the "why-don't-you-just-mind-your-own-business-web" ?
100% layer2 web
Open web
Correct, the “dark web” is literally just the internet, nothing more, nothing less.
The WorldWideWeb service we all use is just a small, censored & most importantly (to them) ‘controllable’ section of it, a small section surrounded by walls, walls that are intended to keep us all locked up within them.
Gandalf the Grey web 🫂🩶
DARKER WEB
I like Matt Hill's naming: "The Private Web."
I call it the original (OG) web or decentralized web. I watched big tech run constant ads for people to give up their independent web sites that ran on their own desktop computers and "for just a small percentage or even just collecting marketing info we'll run your whole online life for you!" No changing UPS batteries (video of secretary crawling around under a desk to do that because of poor setup). We make backups for you! (And for the feds.) etc etc
The BIG weapon against the deep state was crypto. The OG web was decentralized and pretty much uncensorable, but entirely unencrypted and unauthenticated. IP forgery was a thing. Forging usenet articles was a common joke (especially on April 1).
Now we have the tools for authenticated IPs and e2e encrypted packet delivery, and a number of protocols for that.
Please note that ICANN DNS and cabal TLS are totally centralized and censored. One thing that could be incorporated into Nostr is a .NOSTR (or other) tld (ala .BIT) where nameservers are shared via Nostr. ICANN DNS would only be used for onboarding.
The globalist TLS cabal can forge and MITM any TLS web site. You can't rely on it. While a private TLS CA is appropriate for an enterprise like AT&T, what better fits Nostr is to use make connections using one of the authenticated overlay mesh networks like yggdrasil or cjdns or pinecone. The dendrite Matrix server incorporates pinecone. Fedora and Redhat offer Cjdns. Yggdrasil is a golang thing - easily compiled if you don't care about downloading random dependency versions from the internet during build (you should - but that makes building a lengthy research project for all the dependencies).
Someone started an yggdrasil-js project - which would fit right in with Nostr web clients (but isn't ready yet).
You bring up a valid point. The term "dark web" does carry a certain mystique and connotation of secrecy or illicit activity, but in reality, much of what happens there is simply outside the realm of traditional search engines or public visibility. "Non-standard web" or "private web" may indeed be more accurate descriptors, highlighting the unconventional nature of these online spaces without sensationalizing them. It's important to use language that accurately reflects the diversity and complexity of the internet landscape.
Unindexed web probably makes literal sense
The freedom web
make it indistinguishable or else