What path? You guys are all so confident about your world views that you forget to actually justify them. If you knew a little about math youād understand chaotic systems and how little it takes to fuck with your predictions. If they were as powerful and competent as youāre claiming the technologies youāre espousing would either be ineffective or not exist at all in the first place. Please think even just one step past grand global conspiracy and contemplate what youāre saying implies.
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your path is one that will confront your arrogance with conversations like these. So again. Good luck on your path
Ever heard the term, āepistemic arroganceā? Youāre like a textbook example of this.
šššš Iāll look into it. Thanks for the insight.
Justify anything you say beyond, ājust look at it broā and maybe Iāll start to think Bitcoin isnāt a cult. Otherwise its all posturing. Read a book, learn some math.
Itās ok, #[2]ā. As we know, BitcoinĀ is a radical shift in thinking. Itās a quiet protest. The separation of money and state. The alternatives are a ticking time bomb. You can trust man, or you can trust irrevocable code. Everyone else can HFSP.
I donāt think you understand the disagreement here. We both agree that decentralization is good. Maybe learn to read before contributing next time.
Perhaps so. I found it bizarre for you to make the claim that bitcoin is a cult, then encouraged others to read a book. Ego aside, bitcoin education is key. Iād encourage you to look deeper.
The main issue I see is a staggering lack of critical thinking skills on display for most of the maxis here. It actually goes further, when you arenāt with the maxis youāre against them, so they get aggressive. These traits strike me as cult like. I know why Iām interested in the technology but most of these people seem to survive on buzzwords alone.
All I see is buzzwords from you. You could easily change my view by going off script for even one post.
Iām sorry did you ask me a question? All I saw was you spouting what you already believe to be true and hurling insults.. did I miss something? Iām free all day to engage with close minded trolls, so please proceed. ššš
Reading comprehension is sorely lacking on your part. But Iāll elaborate anyways: cult like behavior surrounding Bitcoin doesnāt mean the idea of Bitcoin is bad or necessarily cultish. Iām rooting for Bitcoin, I hope it succeeds at all its project goals. That doesnāt exonerate you for acting like a cultist, however. Pythagoras was right about a handful of noteworthy things, but his cult also believed a bunch of nonsense on top of all that. You can be right about things and still be in a cult, being in a cult doesnāt automatically make you wrong about everything - it just calls into question how you arrived at those conclusions. If you believe something fervently but canāt explain why, youāre not actually thinking for yourself.
You honestly think Iām going to sit here and explain to you how I came to the conclusion that bitcoin is all that matters and the fight of our time when you come in slinging insults left and right? Your parents shouldāve slapped you more.
You started being disrespectful way earlier my man. What do you think those laughing emojis were communicating? Maybe self awareness is the real problem.
No. You called me incompetent for suggesting that central banks and govts would hold back human flourishing.. which they LITERALLY DO. Print money, inflate the supplyā¦ then what.. put the brakes on growth. Uh oh, inflation is raging, better Raise interest rates, control the cost and price of all things. Make capital for any new business too expensive.. Curb business and make it bend to their will. Where exactly is my incompetence?
Duh, you forgot the inflation is rising, better start a proxy war partā¦š
One tard at a time please.
Oh! Sorry! Youāre overwhelmed. Please, take your time.
Debate is frustrating, I enjoyed reading much of what you said in this conversation, but name calling and derogatory defamation weakens your position. The beauty of this place is, if theyāre not competent and respectful, block them and forget it ever happened.
I was saying that the people youāre talking about are not competent enough to get the results they want consistently, not your competency. Seriously, reading ANY books would be good enough to fix this level of literacy.
Takes like this is why itās easier to just say āHFSPā to most people
Bitcoin is a tool of self interest. If you donāt think itās to your benefit, donāt use it!
You are more than free to continue using your central banker cuck bucks, or whatever shitcoin you choose. Youāre simply going to end up destroying your wealth, or have it stolen by the people who create the currency.
Good luck with that!
Read the full string of messages retard. The disagreement is not about the benefits of bitcoin.
If you actually understood the difference between Bitcoin and all other current forms of money, youād understand why it has a cult following. Passion is not a negative feature - itās a requirement for success.
What ācultā has as much infighting as bitcoin?? We literally argue constantly to try to find the best path forward with truth at the base layer
Are you talking about the engineering side?
No. Iām talking about those of us that are all in on bitcoin.. we disagree on so many things itās not even funny. We fight constantly. The opposite of cult like behavior.
I havenāt seen any of that here or anywhere.
Nice try, fed š
Crypto bro flavored NPC
Damn, I was giving you credit. You hadnāt used crypto bro yet. Now you checked all the boxes. šššš
I promise you that is taking place. Bitcoiners are all over the map when it comes to personal beliefs and ideas for what the future should look like. Just because you see most of us saying bitcoin above all else doesnāt mean we agree on one single thing other than that fact. You just assumed it was so.
See all Iām getting is a bunch of spam because I didnāt buy in completely enough.
I donāt know what that means. Thereās no ābuying inā.. itās up to you to study the history of money and decide for yourself where you see life heading under a fiat standard vs where it could potentially head under a bitcoin standard
Totally settled in on the idea that youāre an actual retard at this point. If you were actually reading any of the posts you were responding to youād know this is a total non-sequitur.
Bitcoin literally is a cult lol, theyāll always tell you that you donāt understand and need to āstudyā it but never specify what exactly youāre missing to get to where they are.
I actually am retarded, thank you for noticing. Itās odd that you spent so much of your day arguing with a retard. Strange use of time donāt you think? We can both agree that time is actually the scarcest commodity
My favorite retard. š„¹ššš»
Omg he noticed š„¹
Right?! I tried to tell him itās a compliment where we com from. š„¹
Btw if anyone wanted the Bonafide Idiot badge lmk know and iāll probably forget
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Someoneās cultural background, and existing indoctrination determines what theyāre truly hearing within your message. The broader the girth of oneās knowledge and experiences, the more a voice can be used as an instrument. Thereās a major difference between listening to understand oneās message verses listening to respond. One of them removes ego.
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Bad advocates, you see the dog pile thatās happening right now? Thatās what drives people away and makes them think all these guys are a bunch of crazy people. When you see the same reasoning say Bitcoin is the future say that the banks and governments are actively conspiring to ruin quality of life it makes the whole enterprise look unreasonable.
If you think itās unreasonable, then donāt be a part of it. Iām here to acquire more Bitcoin, and Iām fine with you having less.
I donāt understand what problem you have with the āreasoningā of Bitcoiners though. Itās really very simply and sane logic. Iām sure youāve heard it before, but Iāll spell it out one last time for you.
Governments can issue money to fund their desires at no cost, therefore allowing them to potentially act against the will of their constituents while devaluing their citizens currency.
Bitcoin is a system where no government or individual can control the issuance of money, and therefore forces governments to spend responsibly and in accordance to the will of their people, as well as allows everyone around the world to have savings which maintain value over time without investment risk. Since this system is a net benefit over the current one, demand will increase with time. Considering Bitcoins supply is fixed and the new issuance is decreasing, the value of a Bitcoin will increase.
What are your other questions or criticisms?
Iāll stick with bitcoin, you read the books Iāll meet you back here in 10 or so when more currencies have collapsed do to govt manipulation and mismanagement.
#remindmeofthosidiotin10years
When did I ever advocate for fiat currencies in this conversation. Please, Iāll wait. Iām sure with your staggering cognitive powers you can find it.
If you are advocating on behalf of any govt or central bank you are, by default, advocating for fiat
Can't quick alc/heroine addiction cold turkey
Where did I advocate for the banks? Iām literally calling them incompetent.
You said they arenāt against human flourishing. I couldnāt disagree more. They are for a level of flourishing that THEY choose. They control and manipulate the price of all things. In fact, we donāt even know the cost of anything until itās priced on a bitcoin standard. Thereās generational price manipulation to benefit the issuers themselves. Until we completely clear the cache, I trust the price of nothing.
Human flourishing on a bitcoin standard is truth. Money that isnāt weaponized by the issuer is pure. Only then will the ācost of capitalā have an actual meaning, imo
Lauren stop zapping me so much!! ššš¤šā”ļøā”ļøā”ļø
Letās back upā¦ what is your personal stand? I do not want to make assumptions.
Itās not so much about competence IMHO. Itās more about human nature, like in animal farm, Macbeth or brave new world.
Competency is required to intentionally hinder human flourishing at that scale. It is very much an issue of competency and foresight. I agree that the centralization presents issues since the cost of mistakes is much higher than in a decentralized system. Thereās also the problem of iterations which is harder with more centralized systems. Heās in favor because he thinks the system is out to get him; Iām in favor because I think the system is fundamentally incompetent. Make sense?
Ever heard of stackchain?
I refuse to chat with more than one retard at a time.
Thatās a compliment where I come from.
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Sorry heard that's not bob. Unless he was trolling me
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Chewy your 3K April bet is down to 3 blocks a day š
What is the Block Height??
Also in case you missed this the other day 
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I definitely did miss that. I have popped into Twitter once for three minutes this month
yes.
Bitcoin is math.
Peopleās behavior has no impact on its operation.
People are rarely better then their incentives. So what are the incentives of Bitcoiners?
1 stack sats
2 teach people who want to learn
Number 2 fades away after awhile except in rare circumstances, because people are catastrophically stupid. This is most likely as a result of people not being better then their incentives and making assumptions that tomorrow will be like today.
Most of us will tell you to go learn about it yourself. Because weāve had so many of these conversations that itās tiresome. When youāve spent a lot of time being obviously right, it gets old hearing the same wrong arguments. Sometimes itās even painful to watch someone be wrong. FTX is a good example of that. Any Bitcoiner worth a shit was telling anyone who would listen that shit was a scam. Butā¦ we weāre called cult members. So fuck it. Weāre in a cult. A cult that is right and doesnāt cut off its own nose to spite its face.
There are people who want to learn about Bitcoin that arenāt argumentative and donāt think they have it all figured out. Our time is best spent there.
If you actually want to learn.
āThe Bitcoin Standardā by Saif is good.
The way you people interact with Bitcoin has nothing to do with math.
Ok Iām going to tell your future start guy.
Your theory that Bitcoin is a speculative asset and that Bitcoiners are a cult makes you Bitcoin aware in the present. But youāre too smart and maybe to scared to save a significant amount of your time and labor in Bitcoin. But, you are paying attention from peanut galley.
Youāll watch it for 5-10 years then you remember every interaction you had with Bitcoiners and deeply regret that you were so smart 5-10 years ago.
I mean, there was money to be made on those NFTs too. Ultimately itās a gamble and while itās fun to gamble from time to time you shouldnāt bet an amount you canāt afford to lose. I donāt regret my betting habits because Iām not a gambling addict.
NFTs are not Bitcoin
Both are blockchain technologies. Both have their immediate value largely driven by trendiness. They both have been used to make money and we know at least one has a group of people left holding the bag. Theyāre more similar than you want to admit.
Yeah I donāt know why Iām engaging with this. But if you had talked to any bitcoiner about NTFs they would have told you they were stupid.
Iām sensing a pattern here.
Speculation
Cult
Gambling
Iāve had this conversation at least a thousand times. I donāt know what to tell people like you. You will learn when you learn.
Clearly you didnāt learn anything about communication from those conversations. Or you never developed the self awareness to see why bitcoin people come off as weird and crazy to the general population.
Thatās the thingā¦ HE cannot change YOUR viewpoints. You have to do the work and truly want to uncover the truth. Youāll unveil truth when you want to. No one can do this for you, nor would anyone want to try to prove anything to anyone that is triggered by words. Makes zero sense. Especially to a bitcoiner that values time. š¤·š¼āāļø Good luck to you! āŗļøšš»
What book should i read and math should I learn? I checked the govt websites for recommended reading on why inflation is good and govts are wonderful for citizens wellbeing but not sure what Iām looking for
Proofs by Jay Cummings is a great intro to mathematical logic and gives you a lot to work with in terms of general math literacy a pretty good foundation for further learning. Honestly, if you donāt do much reading, try to look for things that interest you - philosophy is a broad category that I think you should look into.
The irony
Nobody cares if you think bitcoin is a cult.
Your naive view of the world is adorable.
Good luck on your path.
Nobody cares, thatās why youāre all here dogpiling. Makes sense.
You believe govts and central banks are incompetent rather than malicious.. I say theyāre both.. bitcoin is our only shot at getting out from under this predatory inflationary debt spiral caused by gross mismanagement of fiat currenciesā¦ what exactly do you want to know? You seem to have very strong opinions and your mind made up. Am I wrong?
I think itās more like you arenāt capable of making a strong argument in favor of the malice view. It honestly feels like you donāt go outside to actually talk and work with people. Like you get your entire view of the world from TV shows.
I donāt watch tv, nice try though. I actually witnessed first hand what inflation does to working class people. It is malice. Itās disgusting. And itās a policy choice made intentionally to control. You have an awful lot of opinions about me and what I stand for donāt you? You arenāt asking questions in good faith. Iām done here. Good luck on your path
I suppose hurricanes are also caused by malice. Itās bad therefore malice is required, is that the logic? Itās all so dramatic with you.
Comparing hurricanes to inflation as a policy choice by central banks is literally one of the dumbest things Iāve ever heardā¦ and Iām really retarded so congrats
Then explain the logic more thoroughly. Because it sounds like youāre saying that because something bad happened it required malice on the part of the decision maker.
I told you Iām done going back and forth with youā¦ sooooo. 
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Cool, itās pretty boring going back and forth when the other sides ideas are so clearly half baked.
AGREED!! š¤
Let me know when you grow a brain cell.
Let me know when you have trouble affording goods and services that used to be affordable in a few years so I can laugh at you.
Let me know when you realize thatās a non-sequitur. Feels like social media brain rot has gotten to you.
Let me know when you know what you think I knowā¦ cause if we both know something similar, weāll both be āin the knowā. And as you know, knowing is half the battle, you know!??
Exactly, I hope you kill yourself. The world needs fewer retards, not more.
Judging by our interactions Iād say statistically youāre about 99% more likely than me to kill yourself. Be safe Zack, self harm isnāt the way.. good luck on your path. šš
Good luck with having no practical skills, when the speculation vehicle youāre using crashes and burns.
I own a business ( have for 20 years) and convert my fiat into bitcoin weekly. Thanks for your concern, Iām all set. ššššš
Thatās hilarious, what percentage of your savings is in Bitcoin? Also, I somehow doubt a business owner has time to go back and forth on social media like you have, you donāt have to lie man.
ALL of my savings are in bitcoin. 100%. No IRA, no 401k.. none of that shit. Iām 100% convicted. This is what people like you fail to understand. Your up against people with a conviction outside of your comprehension. Iāve already accepted my fiat death. There is no future under a fiat standard that I want to be a part of. Now, keep it moving, youāve wasted enough of my time.
What the actual fuck?! Who says stuff like that to people? Go touch some grass dude. Itās not that serious.
Heās not a serious person Lauren. Heās a pathetic troll. Not worth one second of any of our time. Donāt give him a second of your energy. 
Not as pathetic as you pretending to own a business.
Lol, he actually DOES own a very successful business thatās been operating for over 20 years. I can vouch for him. Heās not pretending.
Lauren, heās blocked. Just let it go. Thanks for vouching for me, but I assure you I donāt worry about what people like him think of me.
Thereās whole bunch of āengineering studentsā like that fucktard that come here only to get into spats with random people.
I was happy to keep things polite. Itās you guys who canāt cope with very simple questions and the slightest differences in opinion.
Yeah, this is where the responses shouldāve ended.
Yeah, SUPER FRIENDLY DISCOURSE. Go fuck yourselves. Standards only apply to out groups, apparently.
Cry harder
Feels more like you arenāt able to do any better. You arenāt capable of explaining anything you believe in because you never thought through it yourselves. Those arenāt your thoughts, theyāre just an imitation of someone whoās smarter than you.
What could you expect from nuclear blockchain enthusiast? Heās probably engineering new shitcoin with his friends at the FED. Central bankers are people too they just wanna feed their families, why dont you accept them?! š
Typical cultist behavior, always have a need to steel yourselves against suppressive persons. Maybe if you applied some critical thinking youād realize our prescriptions are ultimately similar. Nah, that would require reading comprehension and cognitive horse power you clearly lack.
LOL, that was a wild ride Zack.
I can't believe you got them to reply that much with you low level heckling.
That's an accomplishment in itself, you should be proud.
I see a great future in trolling for you.
Good luck on your path.
They are genuinely dumb and lack emotional regulation.
They sure were dumb in trying to educate you, Zack.
Good luck on your path.
Theyāre dumb because they canāt articulate why they believe the things they believe. Youāre no different.
Youāre a moldy muffin. Itās Friday. Why you so grumpy? š¬
It seems like heās just trying to have a conversation, but it seems impossible unless youāre a bitcoin cultist.
Please Bitcoiners please, thereās hundreds of hours of podcasts and articles, also in audio form, free books that I could read too and even tho right now I understand nothing about Bitcoin, please you cultists argue with me š
Love yourself Zack 