I can feel myself slowly coming to terms with the capitulation that radical life extension is likely either not going to happen or will just be painful and unpleasant for the individual. this is a reversal for me and I'm not happy about it...

but fighting against millions of years of adaptation never goes well, for obvious reasons. welcome to complex systems.

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A healthy natural life is long enough 🫂

For now, that's a hard disagree from me :)

Life is the one thing there can never been too much of, for an individual experiencing it.

Eh we'll likely figure it out eventually. Stay as naturally healthy as you can and do a little research here and there about telomeres and replacement biomaterials and whatnot.

I'm FINALLY back on keto as of this week for my health and longevity and I already am starting to feel awesome, inflammation gone. Gonna be shredded in no time.

nice! when you say "inflammation gone", what feels different? what are you noticing as absent (or present?)

So like, I have less gross feeling, less pain in my back, and feel like I can move my body without hurting something or losing my balance. Like I have better energy reserves in some way. That tends to improve more and more as the body transitions into burning more fat per unit time, and I'm only just starting to notice it happening. The inflammation kind of makes you feel gross and sluggish and bothered.

And I haven't even stopped being slightly fat yet. When I've lost enough mass to be more nimble, I'm gonna run circles around my current version of myself.

Oh and fat (your own body fat or good oils like ghee, coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil) actually is a cleaner burning and more efficient energy source than carbs, so that contributes to that whole phenomenon.

yep, dig. Interesting to hear someone else's subjective experience

i'm working on this also. just added my 1% per day by doing 15 situps upon getting up in the morning. my abs are my biggest problem these days, as evidenced by pain in my back.

don't be surprised it it's slower than you hoped. just keep it up, and if it's too hard, just dial it back a little, but keep going.

Thanks! Yeah my back had been a big problem, I did a little bit of mindful engagement of my abs and core muscles a lil while back to fix it. That got rid of a lot of the pain, but now the keto and my general motivation to move a lot are starting to get rid of the rest of it. Seems it only takes small changes compounding over time. I'll definitely keep going and not let a little hiccup get in the way, thank you!

dopamine is the devil. satisfaction at something achieved will build.

hopefully. but throwing complex systems out of whack fucks them up in surprising ways. and it seems like "having a creature live centuries beyond their child-bearing age" would be a primo way to do that 😆

Not for a rational people with respect for property rights.

Hope you are OK And healthy. Society should never give up the fight against death. But for the individual, life quality is more important than quantity

This is the healthiest I've ever been! and I've always been basically good. Lately I've really been feeling great - but it's exactly because i've been living closer to in harmony with my ancestral history wrt diet, exercise, sleep, etc - the basics. ...this observation is what motivated the above note.

Dealing with one's mortality can be tough. We've gotta make the most of the limited time we have on this world.

Yeah, cryo is the only real hope of a multi century consciousness right now.

Diet and exercise and other longevity stuff is just trying to get far enough into the future to be frozen correctly.

Singularity approaches are much more reasonable than forever fixing this meat sack.

There's always Cryo.... Along with the combination of whatever advanced brain scanning will exist X decades from now, and hypothetical computation of the future to be able to "back-track" where your jumbled atoms were at the time of death... I think it could work.

i never got onboard the never die movement. death is necessary to prevent societal stagnation. they say science advances one death at a time. it's not just science, tho, it's everything. what happens when the old wrong people stop dying? no good can come from this.

you want these decrepit old thieves in power forever? yikes! no thank you

what's good for the group isn't always desirable for the individual. I'm sure you can think of as many examples as I can.

Another interesting question is about what comes "after death".

Do we cease to exist or are we put in some cycle of life and death or maybe something else?

If we just cease to exist, that would mean nothing mattered at all, lol.