I have been studying Bitcoin since 2013! I also run a Bitcoin node, but I never got used to LN. I don't really know how to recommend it to ordinary people without sending them to some centralized intermediary :/
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Lightning is the best (when it works haha). You still have to know inbound/outbound liquidity but it's gotten a lot better in the past 2-3 years.
Check out these non custodial options:
nostr:nprofile1qqsrf5h4ya83jk8u6t9jgc76h6kalz3plp9vusjpm2ygqgalqhxgp9gpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kytcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uv45qez makes an amazing phone wallet
Phoenix wallet is fantastic
Raspiblitz runs a lightning node on your own raspi
nostr:nprofile1qqs9df4h2deu3aae83fmet5xmrlm4w5l9gdnsy3q2n7dklem7ezmwfcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz3rhwvaz7tekd3jks6rev3ehyargv9nk66tnxe6h2dn5w43kuerk0fmnwcm4vfc8z6mgweu8j7fhdfhkjmmrxs6k66mnwg6x2cty9ehku6t0dchszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7nnlshm makes an unbelievable ecosystem and a large step up from raspiblitz
nostr:nprofile1qqs890du277adh7yucng2pgaaqzp69yv8350us4lxq0hr2nv75l997cpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm0d9hx7uewd9hj7t9lv8q is super simple wallet to onboard normoes and is nice to transition from non-kyc/centralized to self custodial.
Ecash and cashu are incredible projects and stable but still early.
nostr:nprofile1qqsxg45ph8gx0vdrvtzta6xal7v86frx6jvstsnvhrlvtehmwwh4epqpz4mhxue69uhksar5wpej7tmwdaejumr0dshsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0qydhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnnv968xarjv9kxjcfwvdhk6tcgnx79f can help buy/sell on lightning.
There's a lot happening on bitcoin layer 2/3!
For fucks sake can we stop recommending nostr:npub1w27mc4aa6m0ufe3xs5z3m6qyr52gc0rglept7vqlwx4xeaf72tasnqz70r to people… any one of the other ecash/cashu projects is better…
why kid?
Because Adam doesn’t follow proper opsec both the og coin os account was hacked which led to a coin os breach and he leaked his personal nsec…
I remember that. For a low balance wallet and nostr integration, it's tough to beat for a normie starting out here. But I see your point though. Orange pill someone then your sats are hacked!?
What's best ecash cashu or ln + nostr integration for a rookie?
Zeus…
Zeus is amazing. I use it for satscoffee when I'm mobile and to quickly check liquidity/channels. Not good for most normies to easily set up though.
It's gotta be something that simply works right out the box. That leaves WoS if you eliminate coinos. Even wos shut down at the first sight of a possible challenge....
Again need an easy plug and play wallet with training wheels.
nostr:npub1cm3rpgj7457yjuqnvdalxaauakqu0ndkpkyp5cldkyutpz4xszpsmk96wt is better than nostr:npub1hcwcj72tlyk7thtyc8nq763vwrq5p2avnyeyrrlwxrzuvdl7j3usj4h9rq.
On iOS it was unusable for me after in enabled faceid. For some reason it worked fine before but once faceid was enabled it crashed out every time.
That happened to me once, it was definitely a bug, but I reported it and it hasn’t happened since. You can just restore from your backup and it will work again.
Always has been
No, never was and never been. Is pure garbage
That's like your opinion man.
No. Is not an opinion. Is years and years of using Bitcoin and almost all apps ever existed.
Do not let the guard down and bee fooled by exactly the enemies of Bitcoin disguised in so called L2s.
You will remember my words.
Anything that is called "nodeless" is in fact a disguised centralized service that soon will get the KYC hammer to all their users.
It's a scam.
Love our Darth, but he thinks every new Lightning user should be required to take a six week certification course in DIY node-building and channel management before they even get started.
Bitcoin is a natural selection...
Is there such a course.... Cause I would definitely be interested. Lol
I like focused courses because while you can self teach using YouTube and the various forums it is not focused and everyone has an opinion of how it should be done.....
Exactly. I know first hand that many Bitcoiners would actually attend and find them useful.
To be honest nostr:nprofile1qqswum4p82uluhz2dr40nvdrflspffntgqghc58w9fs57nx6jkdkuaqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszythwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmny9uq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0nwfqpd we could probably work on this together and build a series for this.
This is what I would love to have in nostr:nprofile1qqstnymvgz5x9a6jl84pahf4wu7xtmx48dyhcxd6c0n65r50m3r2wzcpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsz8rhwden5te0dehhxarj9e3xjarrda5kuetj9eek7cmfv9kqv2k0ed, we just need a few more people to contribute to it.
We could do that. We could have the workshops be part of the introduction to the community. If you need additional help or have questions, join the community here.
Aren’t blitz and wos the same thing now since they both use spark?
They’re basically interoperable in that you can use one seed phrase in the other, but there are a bunch of feature differences that make Blitz the better option, including privacy, NWC compatibility, and they’re much better at accepting feedback and responding to support issues.
Ah ok haven’t really used blitz I don’t think?
Yes and it's opensource. WoS is not.
Blitz is great, and improving rapidly, but isn't Spark still a bit too risky for prime time? https://www.bitcoinlayers.org/layers/spark
No doubt.
And it's opensource.
I agree.
Granted, this space changes quickly; but, my current recommendation is minibits wallet for pure Cashu with nwc support.
Then, when ready to graduate larger amounts to something more secure, swap to liquid (and eventually to btc on-chain) via bull wallet. Liquid doesn't have the unilateral exit that a zeus embedded node has; but with Liquid's federated model, it seems pretty close - and I think the tradeoff of not having to manage node liquidity is worth it (unless you're really using lighting like all the time).
Also, bull wallet's Recoverbull encrypted seed vault is a pretty clever set of training wheels (though, I wouldn't recommend using it for cold storage amounts).
I would like a specific guide and path that works out of the box for those just getting into crypto (and BTC specifically) and has step by step guides for acheaving full independence (end result might very well be using different products and wallets)
Why would you eliminate coinos?
Because they were hacked. I still use them though. It was more a steel man if you eliminate them, then what's the easiest setup for normies with an NWC clsetup as well.
The best Bitcoin/Spark Lightning wallet today is nostr:npub1cm3rpgj7457yjuqnvdalxaauakqu0ndkpkyp5cldkyutpz4xszpsmk96wt. Amazing UI and very simple to use.
I would recommend nostr:npub1cm3rpgj7457yjuqnvdalxaauakqu0ndkpkyp5cldkyutpz4xszpsmk96wt. Try it and let me know what you think.
Coinos had many problems in the past. I would recommend nostr:npub1cm3rpgj7457yjuqnvdalxaauakqu0ndkpkyp5cldkyutpz4xszpsmk96wt. Best Bitcoin/Spark lightning wallet in my opinion.
Centralized lightning is no bueno but metamask is?