This will be the biggest test for appstores. If your app supports nip-15 what are you going to do when people start selling drugs on it? nostr:note16rxmnyp7wtfx03mwp29x7jzqmjgf563d2s9q8rz2t2skm594wcusel8hpv
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It is a free market isnāt it
Not in the Google Play Store it isnāt. Itās googleās walled garden and they decide what is and isnāt allowed.
You are hateful and jealous of nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z when you should not be. It should be a team not a separation.
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Truth can hurt I understand man
You are unnecessarily stirring up trouble where it doesnāt exist. Nothing about his post is hateful or displays ājealousy.ā You are just projecting.
JB is bringing up legitimate concerns that these centralized corporations will absolutely be all over if this occurs. Only a shallow first level thinkers wouldnāt consider these factors in their application build.
That's more a concern for ios though right? Or maybe the playstore version of amythyst, cause you can just get the apk, or use fdroid.
Anyone who does want to buy and sell drugs via nostr might want to be very careful though, privacy might not be all they expect.
Yes. NOSTR is decentralized, but you are right. Apple does not allowed side loading and obviously some NOSTR applications are build on centralized platforms. Some more than others.
I agree. Honestly it is a terrible place to buy and sell drugs. You have to share your address and the transaction is written into the ledger forever. People will still be dumb enough to do it though. Orā¦spooks will do it to get this shit shut down. We gotta keep growing and hardening in the meantime.
I donāt understand why they donāt censor web browsers or privacy focused group chats apps and many others, if they are worried about what people are going to do with them
Sooo many people use Snapchat to sell drugs.
Exactly , weather there is a market place or not it doesn't matter. I seen a user on here the other day saying he bought prerolled weed with Zaps via DM.
People sell drugs on Instagram. Do you think Meta is responsible? No. The person selling the drugs is. Obviously a marketplace is needed, we want Nostr to be capable of everything and anything. I'm thinking Will is just feeling a bit intimidated by nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z amazing advancements in this wonderful protocol we call Nostr.
Tell that to Ross
I'm not positive, but do you mean the guy who ran the silk road. A website that's sole purpose was drugs. Which would be the difference! The marketplace being built is not INTENDED for drugs. Same with any marketplace. But the silk road was purely for illicit product.
Whatās the evidence to support this claim? I always thought Silk Road was just built as an anonymous marketplace facilitating payments with digital gold. The market decided that the best use case for this was drugs.
Yea agree Ross create the marketplace it wasnāt intended for any specific good or service, the drug dealers were the early Silk Road adopters.
Evidence is, my friend trafficked drugs on the silkroad, lost 5,000$ when the site got taken down. He showed me it. There was not one single non-drug related item for sale.
Saying the Silk Road was only for drugs is like saying bitcoin in those days was only for drugs. Both were just early adopters of Silk Road and bitcoin. It was just the first use case. If Silk Road was still around it could have grown beyond that use case just like bitcoin has.
If a Nostr marketplace was completely uncensored it is reasonable to believe that the same type of market would emerge first.
That's definitely not true, I bought non-drug related things. But also drugs.
The most sold items on Silk Road was books, not drugs š
Iām not intimidated at all, he is doing his own things and that is great, thats what nostr is good at. Iām raising a valid concern that would make me hesitant of building a marketplace. Unmoderated marketplaces is just giving appstores a huge reason to take down his and my app. Weird that you are reading my post this way unless you are just trying to cause drama for no reason.
Would it be possible to build a marketplace on Damus that excludes (filters) illegal items?
I would build it into my desktop client, seems too risky for damus unless there was some insanely censored setup which I donāt feel like dealing with
Fair enough. Probably better to let the smaller Nostr apps take the risk and see what happens to them.
I could imagine it would be possible to filter out illegal listings with some sort of user voting system, similar to community notes on Twitter.
Thatās just a game of whack-a-mole. All it takes one time for an App Store reviewer to open up the app, see something illicit for sale, and bam, app is gone forever.
That's a good point. It could risk the whole app. Luckily, there will probably be other Apple developers willing to take on the risk for the rest of us.
Now that iOS has push notification support for PWAs, I think thatās the future. Relying on Appleās goodwill is not going to work out for freedom tech.
Agreed. Hopefully, PWA is the solution that makes the app store obsolete.
Wishful thinking. If you truly care about decentralization, you should not be using iOS. Apple's phone OS is the biggest centralizing force in tech right now.
Other Apple products are fine. You can use a MacBook and care about decentralization (you can still side-load apps into MacOS). The iOS is just a very hard no right now.
Yeah Williamās is a philosophical argument, yours is a practical one. As someone who has launched several apps to the Apple App Store, I can confirm that if they see an insufficiently moderated marketplace during review they will reject the shit out of it.
But your concern isn't valid. With or without marketplace people can still conduct drug trade in dm, same with Instagram or any platform. Your just spreading Fud. Keep your eyes on your project instead of working about other projects. Do you think Samsung makes posts on there social media about how Apple conducts business? No lol.
Ils se devraient d'ĆŖtre responsables non nostr jusqu'au moment oĆ¹ il y aurait une lĆ©galisation de certaines drogues dures ou non. Ils ne doivent point attirer des Ćtats Ć cibler nostr , paradoxalement c'Ć©tait fut les Ćtats Ć©taient des trafiquants sans l'histoire de la Drogue et Toxicomanies
In the US, Section 230 (the law Trump wanted to get rid of) is supposed to protect app developers from being liable of user generated content. Nostr should offer another layer of protection, since none of the content is actually generated on your app.
What if there is a disclaimer thwt you need to tick i agree before using marketplace. I.e an opt in function
I also challenge everyone to donate so I can pay for all the legal work that is going to go into the Marketplace implementation.
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You got this! š«š«”
just donāt sell illegal drugs online
this note is a donation
Ability to do illegal stuff is a test of resilience to tyranny.
Could the right kind of search and use of hashtags be good enough with existing notes? Like just use #selling and put some other keywords, etc?
I guess youād want to filter on price and other details, and maybe thatād be harder to do.
Maybe a really good search / filtering system over #nostr would give you everything you want for people to sell things in regular notes?
Serious question: Is the app creator legally responsible for the content in it?
I believe it shouldn't work this was, but we all saw what happened with Ross š fucking feds
The creator is generally not, but the shipper to a market (like a PlayStore or an F-droid release) might be. It just happens to be the same person for Amethyst
Decentralized distribution like obtainium, without relying on trusted third party like github to distribute?
Like, if the apk is on all relays all over the world, it's really not anywhere, no?
In this case, nobody should be reliable of any content, but a wider adoption would be sacrificed.
This is where I feel the Paxful guy is setting up a trap, I don't trust him anymore
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Based on app store guidelines on this topic, any app that supports NIP-15 will likely need to restrict the sale of things like that in their terms of use in order for it to be approved in the app store.
"Facilitating the sale of controlled substances (except for licensed
pharmacies and licensed or otherwise legal cannabis dispensaries), or
tobacco is not allowed."
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#safety