Spam apologists trying to reintroduce the Bitcoin censorship FUD painted with jargon to confuse people. Sigh
Spam filters cannot be abused for censorship. It only takes 1 block to bypass attempts to censor. But it takes 1 block to make spam filters effective. Opposites.
Ironically, it was the spammers who ACTUALLY tried to implement OFAC censorship a few years ago. So they know from experience it doesn't work and are just being completely dishonest.
Who was trying to implement OFAC compliance?
MARA, a pool that is spam central. BTW, they stopped OFAC compliance because of backlash from the community. Proof that miners will bend the knee when pressed by users
And even more ironically they created the first official tool for spammers to bypass filters.
MARA
Nice job removing the confusing jargon, but…I still don’t get it 😂🤯😭
Try your first op_return @ https://poststr.com/
Okay. I can’t guarantee I will still completely understand, but thanks for another resource 🫂
I didn’t know what it was as well until I created the nostr:nprofile1qqsqlxufmc0zqz2lr6ytvym9vyxzjmndc6w5k3dlw3ajhuaags2el6cpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuur0wd68xarj9e3k7mgpr9mhxue69uhhxarjvee8jtn0wpjku6r0danxgtnwds0yehzw
Caution: That website is malware that harms Bitcoin
😱😳😬
It's a fad that'll blow over like the rest of 'em, but if it's bigger than 40 bytes it ain't going in my mempool ✊️
I'll still put it in your node though.
Consensus rules are what they are. No one wants a fork but my RAM is a precious commodity for monetary transactions only.
Glad I’m not the only one
It’s such a polarizing thing too 🤷♀️ maybe ignorance really is bliss
It definitely is bliss. Just ask this crew
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Wrong Josh you tagged haha
Cute!!!
Let’s take the spam conversation a little bit further
Let me pitch a scenario-
You’re on decentralized social media site and it turns out the security on your device is poor (if you’re phone is not on lockdown with paid malware blockers, it definitely is)
You click on a link (have you ever seen the tracker bot?) or you get into a vibe coded app that doesn’t push you a permissions notification for your camera
And now someone is remote accessing your camera without your knowledge- those are called RATs, remote accessing tools and they’re common
Let’s just say that person has malicious intent towards you and now they are capturing photos of you- non consensual ones - ones while your getting ready for a shower or taking a bath and scrolling maybe?
And then they start uploading those photos of you anon to a censorship resistant social media
If there are no filters in place, they make it onto the relays no problem
If client operators aren’t catching them, the whole world now has your non-consensual photos and you have no way to take them down in that environment because they’re stored on shared, mirrored servers
This is why niche internet places are not spaces for survivors to share their stories, this is not a safe place for that- in fact, it’s incredibly dangerous
How much do you think those photos would go for? In a world with P2P mirrored immutable media compression… I, personally, don’t want to know because
It’s gross and it’s disgusting and there are people in this world that are absolute scum of the earth creeps who would not hesitate to sell you for their profit
Filters are the only thing that stands between us and that reality.
There ya go nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgcwaehxw309ac8yetdd96k6tnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aqs87rv0 some more OSINT drops
Thanks nostr:nprofile1qqsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7uewwdhkx6tpdsr5yary for the vibe code- I didn’t click it but I’m sure I didn’t want to
Filters do work.
Not satire. How’s that for free speech?
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This is irresponsible
Which part?
Public speculation on who might be Satoshi. Hal Finney's family has been negatively affected by such speculation; so have other ppl identified who are still alive.
Satoshi made a very clear choice to be and to remain anonymous. I personally think that choice was a key part of Bitcoin's success and that his anonymity should be (publicly) respected.
Of course, we can't stop speculation on such a topic and certain media organisations have relished diving into the mystery. But I think such speculation should be shunned within the Bitcoin community.
I agree about Satoshi reveal attempts. The thread, at least in Damus, started with a post from nostr:npub1lh273a4wpkup00stw8dzqjvvrqrfdrv2v3v4t8pynuezlfe5vjnsnaa9nk about spam, the one you addressed looks out of context.
Filters can definitely lead to censorship, which then means that someone who is being censored needs to approach a friendly miner directly (and bribe them with a hefty fee to include their transaction).
Given that mining is currently highly centralised, it would mean that a shadowy world government would only need to strong arm a handful of big miners and force them to refuse business with a censored entity and thus that entity will be barred from using bitcoin.
Is this not a conceivable scenario?
It already happened, and it didn't work.
https://education.compassmining.io/education/marathon-clean-blocks-bitcoin-mining-censorship
people should run nodes, and node runners just needs to be aware what they filter.
core is the one that likes to take away options from its users
There is a difference between censorship and validation. Do I understand it right that rejecting OP_RETURN doesn't reject financial transactions? What are some legitimate uses of this field?
You understand correct. Op_return is for data only and was added as a compromise for people that kept adding data in other more harmful ways.
So I see how this could be useful for some cases. Would be nice to have some kind of basic structure like protocol:data to let them through. I just don't want to have to buy new 1TB every year so others can store their "I was here" graffiti on my node
you should be able to decide to shut the door to murky spam
Your node is your vote.
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you can´t even secure your own computer and people should run your software?
It makes me think of a remote parking lot in a national park. Usually, just a handful of hikers show up, but once the limited wildflower bloom hits, it floods with cars. Volunteers install a 7-foot clearance bar across the entrance: sedans and SUVs still slip through, but the towering RVs that want to camp for the weekend and hog multiple spots for little or no fee can’t fit. Because the beam is welded in place, any future volunteer (miner) must enforce that same height limit. There’s no central authority, just the inherited structure. Contrast that with a lone volunteer who decrees “no gasoline-powered cars” (blocking valid txs), a personal whim instantly overturned when the subsequent volunteer waves gas guzzlers in while pocketing the parking donations. Yet many Ordinals/BRC-20 boosters now gaslight the debate, calling this neutral, equitable size filter “censorship” and conflating it with bans, despite having once cheered Marathon’s real OFAC blocklist—filters ≠ censorship.
Clear distinction. Spam mitigation ≠ censorship. It's keeping the network usable.
Hey Luke I am switching from Core to Knots.
Thank you for giving us this option
🎯
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Hi Luke, it's great to have other options like Knots, but I think a 1-Dev project can be a vulnerability too. Any plans to onboard other people to your project?
