I just saw my first child porn clip ever and my head is hot and body #triggered
#zapathon tag has been invaded
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WTF?? I hope you blocked and reported the shit out that horror. I'm fortunate to have never come across that shit, but I firmly believe it should blocked and reported so relay operators can take action to ban that npub from their server. I'll never understand the truly sick people who spread that shit.
Ugh sorry..
Terrible
This my biggest reason to hesitate recommending nostr. This shouldn't be something people stumble upon. Block/report the user, report to the image provider, remove the relay. Nostr itself doesn't hold the images, just holds the text links. Some services like nostr.build and likely other relays will pre scan and also file reports.
Dumb but honest question: when you report a user, who exactly are you reporting to since there is no centralized hub/server ?
You're reporting to relay operators, signaling to other users.
https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/56.md
Nostr has no centralized authority, meaning the power and change comes from its users. We have more responsibilities as users and developers to keep this out of other's periphery.
The problem lies when images are hosted externally. We can't do much about that besides reporting the user. If you're feeling ambitious you could contact the place that the image is being hosted, but this also requires a lot of work for the use to do. It sucks.
I think we need to make NIP-56 more robust ASAP. Users shouldn't have to investigate wherever it came from, it's traumatizing.
More clients could look into implementing some sort of support or reports, similar to what Amethyst does, IMO. This includes giving users the option of disabling the feature. This puts the community in charge of moderation and in charge of their WoT.
And that is going to go perfectly well and won’t cause a problem when anyone asks people to mass report what they don’t like
Primal does no media moderation this has been an open secret for a while
Somehow nostr:npub137c5pd8gmhhe0njtsgwjgunc5xjr2vmzvglkgqs5sjeh972gqqxqjak37w and nostr:npub13ch6rllnruy5z2qm57836yw5zx4ytju4jl569jys6jhtp9furupsccdsaw have managed to do way better than them with none of the funding
This only works for nostr-related hosted media though. It's a band-aid fix at best as it excludes 99.99% of the Internet.
Recommending Nostr is like recommending the internet.
Recommend communities (relays) instead.
Which relay was it on?
Make sure you file a report, so that the relay operators can respond.
You can file reports on Primal and on Amethyst.
Oh my god she's right. From the hashtag mentioned. on damus and nostr.band. i don't know what Amethyst does, or if i have a setting on, but it has all the account's images blocked for me. Don't want to accidentally send someone to it without those filters off.
nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejszxrhwvaz7tmddahxzepwdf3r2dfwvdhk6w3cxqurqqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkc0v9nh0 nostr:nprofile1qqsrx4k7vxeev3unrn5ty9qt9w4cxlsgzrqw752mh6fduqjgqs9chhgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7auwthp I don't know if you've been alerted.
The problem is the media is being hosted on primal. They don’t seem to be scanning for this stuff like nostr build does
I would contact the primal team with a link to the user and ask them to start scanning for this stuff or else it’s gonna keep happening.
Would also be good to see if they have information on their IP so they can send this information to the proper authorities.
They don't respond to me.
Does viewing of hashtags and global use specific relays or is it also using outbox model?
Hashtags and global are currently risky spots where attacker can post csam.
I think focusing on nostr is wrong. Best to put pressure on the media hosts who are actually hosting illegal content.
I think that's fair, but I also think that any solution that reduces the problem in any part of the stack is worth doing. Defensive clients, ML models, filtering relays, good Media servers, easy ways to report csam, Web of trust solutions, etc.
go back to twitter
Why? I have been here since 2021.
I thought scanning for that was industry standard practice.
If it is primal, then yes they need to preemptively screen that. But this a different point - I don't think there is any argument for the post itself to stay on the relays, even if it is 'just' text.
I, and other users want to interact as minimally as possible with that radioactive content. A relay report was sent to damus and nostr.band, not Primal, because those are the relays my client found the note. I'm not going to find the text link.
It is primal. Taking down the media is the most effective method. Notes and Links are easily copied and replicated. People could auto-mirror and blast the note to every public visible relay. nostr is censorship resistant this way. if it was easy to get every relay operator to take down the link it wouldn’t be. Taking down the media is the only thing that makes sense.
In the outbox model you don’t even get to choose while relays you pull from, so the person could just set their relays to ones that don’t delete things.
This is also why I am skeptical of censorship resistant media protocols. Sounds like a great way to empower pedos.
What I would like to see is a protocol i can implement to report things to media hosts
Is there a relay query that echos its configs so you can choose relays based on settings?
We’re moving to a more decentralized model where users don’t choose relays since that doesn’t scale
How does the outbox model even choose the relays then?
Is there redundancy in case a relay goes down?
Will clients even be in sync? I imagine global is worse off not showing everything
the way i would prefer it is use nip05 relays to get their relays, if they have no nip05 try your best based on popular bootstrap relays. Once you have their relays you know where a particular user reads from and writes to. So when sending them a note or replying to them you select their read relays. When reading their notes you pull from the relays they are writing too. Pretty straightforward.
Gotcha. I bounce around and use all sorts of clients right now to feel out how various features are being implemented. I’m not client committed.
What if I just want to push to my own relay but want to use a good client I found?
Would client selected relays start segmenting the landscape of users?
Client influenced segmentations of communities isn’t ideal if I want unlimited reach and exposure to varied content. Is that the eventual result if my client chooses relays for me without my input?
Or any I missing something?
The point is that you should be able to set any relay you want and clients should be smart enough to pull from the right relays. Outbox reduces segmentation. It would be transparent.
Users are segmented on clients that strictly follow a users relay list (like damus ios atm)
Thanks for the clarification. 🤙
When I first showed up I thought I’d be able to run my own relay and broadcast to that for my content to be found there, archived there, and just self hosted. But most clients won’t even respect my ws://[address].onion relay address.
For Primal hosted content please contact nostr:npub16c0nh3dnadzqpm76uctf5hqhe2lny344zsmpm6feee9p5rdxaa9q586nvr or nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg , they can remove and report it.
Fixed.
Reports do nothing on nostr at the relay level
Only clients like Amethyst use them to shadow ban people
Currently, but relay code can implement solutions for this too. nostr:nprofile1qqsw9n8heusyq0el9f99tveg7r0rhcu9tznatuekxt764m78ymqu36cpz4mhxue69uhkvun9deejuat50phjummwv5hsz8rhwden5te0wfjkccte9e3xjarrda5kuurpwf4jucm0d5hsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9e6hg7r09ehkuef0avzrjf does work on filtering at the relay level, I'm sure he can implement something for relay runners to use.
It's a damn shame. I've found this content numerous times and blocked and reported the profiles. Reporting will help as long as clients do something with the reports, such as Amethyst, which blocks people from seeing it if enough people in your WoT report them too.
Had never encountered it on any platform until I got Nostr about a day ago. Immediately disabled the 'Nostr Firehose Feed' after that.
Sorry you had to see that. I don’t think this is nostr problem as much as it is cultural. When we start acting like decent civilizations and putting people who make child porn in the wood chipper, the problem online will quickly fade.
nostr:npub19aftr8lpgz8knmswjz0d3l9vzwx97dcvqh0zfuxcxu9d57t4yv3sz4v28l that is disturbing. I haven’t seen and I don’t wish to see; just reading about it is annoying, shameful and disgusting enough. 🤦🏾‍♂️
what client do you use, perchance?
It's one of the reasons I almost never follow tags, keep off global, and mostly stick to paid relays.
Como puedo de más videos o como lo encuentro
How can I see more videos or how do I find it?
It was a complete shock when I first stumbled across it. I couldn’t believe it. It definitely tainted my Nostr experience for a while.
I report them when I see them (mostly pics) and sometimes they are removed but most times they’re not. One particular user posted everyday for a while so I reported them.
I’ve muted that user so no idea if they are still posting.
They weren’t shy about their posting either. They used a particular hashtag that advertised the type of porn.
I feel your shock and disappointment. đź«‚
Ironically one npub even commented on this post with sickening content.
I use 99% WOT relays and so this has not been a problem for me other than the comments that appeared on this post which in YakiHonne I mute the person…not sure how I can report or full on block them
Yes, indeed. I left it there to see if anyone else is actually here or is the apathy and indifference just back to base.
I was running some errands and reflecting...
"I'd think that pedophiles you know they try and keep a low profile perhaps, do things in secret.". I have not had online exposure thank God since I've been on the web now at least 25 years. I have only heard of it. In my own mind and own processing of what such a this highly traumatic occurence might be like I have been quite naive in some ways.
I have only heard of the horrific footage that out there in the outskirts of the internet and is distributed and sold and all that.
(I must say a three years ago I journey with some plant medicine and unfortunately I was being shown the massive syphoning of young souls and the children en mass, and was guided to do some shamanic work around it).
so anyways, I am realizing it's not only the pedos, and the distribution of their content but you actually have sick pedo trolls?!?
I don't know I guess I really have been naive. thinking these people are sick, like there's actually scientific discussion around how that happens developmentally. and I'd think its something someone most likely feels shame and guilt around.
but actually it seems to be quite sociopathic on nature. (specifically pointed by the comments ou wintnessed).
honestly, I am just in shock and gonna let this settle and integrate.
I don't think I am gonna leave it here but I might take some space.
but #nostrdevs should know I am gonna be on it and I want to see this NOT being swept under the rug and be a discussion out in the OPEN!!!!!
OPEN SOURCE