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Makes sense! I'd aim to incorporate them in separate feeds then.

Okay yeah.. that's what I was gathering.. I'm a kind-1 princess with a long-form heart so I don't really consider it a priority yet, maybe once I figure out what's cool about it.

Kind-1 lyfe.. are you going for kind 1111 events with Alexandria anywhere?

Kind 1, nip-51, nip..1a?

And I would attempt to include gift-wrapped dm's and outbox support if I expect to be relevant 🐸👍

I'm not sure I fully understand kind 1111 or I'm just overthinking it. Do you know of an example, like zapstream or NostrNests or anything that uses it? Satellite earth is different right? I'm not sure where 1111 events are being used

Reddit is basically the evolution of BBS and imageboards. Both need specific categories with recursive proliferation. What my first iteration aims to do is simplify online forums by creating each community as its own dedicated relay. From there you just apply an algorithm (these can be transparent and hopefully rather simple and shareable for the near future) to sort posts by popularity.

Reddit has a closed-source model but it's easy to grasp what they're doing at the basic level. With nip-42 auth, lightning payment verification, and other features, these communities should be able to scale with transparent on-protocol consensus models.

You can apply algos to each relay as well as create global feeds of these relays with their own, likely similar algos.

Also, managing communities in this way sort of "does away" with the traditional follow list, as someone recently pointed out to me. With the right controls, you can maintain tight-knit communities which addresses another post you made recently. A lot of those productivity goals are in mind here.

#Flotilla is doing it right.

Simple forums can still be simple, methinks, but the old forums aren't Nostry enough either. We can do more with less

Instead of each relay being a forum- each relay is a topic on a broad network of "forums" (collections of topical relays)

The bill itself is fine. Whether or not it has support- I don't know. I doubt it. But, if it does have support, it only has traction because a mining company is moving into the state to harvest electricity from our lake and dam. Google has been here for years with a large data center.

As cool as it all sounds, this is industrial moves, which will mostly affect the industry of Bitcoin mining. If there was a way to see how much Bitcoin the state of Oklahoma has produced since 2009- you would probably laugh. I doubt any employer is going to change their pay structures for this. Likely just the one mining company and basically no one else. Good for them. Good for Nostr to celebrate any bill that has Bitcoin involved.

But where's the change? Lol.

There is truly no better font. 🕊️

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Take the NINO quiz! Here's how flotilla fares:

- [ ] There's no NIP for your data format

- [ ] There's a NIP, but no one knows about it

- [ ] Your NIP imposes an incompatible/centralized/legacy web paradigm onto nostr

- [x] Your NIP relies on trusted third parties

- [ ] There's only one implementation of your NIP

- [ ] Your core value proposition doesn't depend on relays, events, or nostr identities

- [x] One or more relay urls are hard-coded into the source code

- [ ] Your app depends on a specific relay implementation to work

- [ ] You don't validate event signatures

- [ ] You don't publish events to relays you don't control

- [ ] You don't read events from relays you don't control

- [ ] You use legacy web services to solve problems, rather than nostr-native solutions

- [ ] You use nostr-native solutions, but you've hardcoded their pubkeys or URLs into your app

- [x] You don't use NIP 89 to discover clients and services

- [ ] You haven't published a NIP 89 listing for your app

- [ ] You don't leverage your users' web of trust for filtering out spam

- [ ] You don't respect your users' mute lists

- [ ] You try to "own" your users' data

That's a 3 on the NINO scale. The "trusted third parties" thing is debatable; in this case I'm counting relay operators, most of which are nip29 multi-tenant relays and relay.tools currently, but ideally that will improve as people run their own infrastructure.

How does your app fare?

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🤣 I love this post

I agree with what you've stated. I think, in reference to Nostrapps.com specifically, there can be categories like Nostr.net has which would benefit the site as a whole, if it is to become more valuable. Users have pointed out how prolific Nostrapps.com is for new users, so it seems negligent to assume gatekeeping it is a smart option.

I think it's wise to separate apps into categories like this. As it stands, the GitHub awesome-list (nostr.net) at least separates apps by different types. You can sort by mobile and you can sort by "relays" because as you've made clear- there is a big difference between apps like:

Relay tools

Nostr build

Nostrapps

HiveTalk

And, a strfry relay.

Or oddBean.

They are all drastically different from one another.

In defense of people running lists, or websites, for finding "apps," it's very difficult to be totally-inclusive or all-encompasing. It's also difficult to categorize so I believe this article was worth writing, assuming we continue to reference it and leverage it for what it's worth.

On the other hand, I see it as poor taste to simply take over an app and start cherry-picking projects that meet your criteria without formally establishing a better system or defining that criteria. I agreed with your first takes- that people shouldn't really concern themselves with "someone else's apps or opinions". But I think this merit is lost when users had already done the work to be featured there. As well, the apps in question do quite a lot, which I believe is supported in your article. So I see you taking a respectable middle ground which could offer resolutions for everyone.

As for me, I'm just an onlooker in this situation. I don't think it's fair to cry censorship in this case, but I think in action, that's what it is. Because it wasn't supported with the due diligence you have just provided.

My response was to immortalize fiatjaf's quote and consider what it means to me. I was happy to carry on and leave it to fate. But, I can't deny that my favorite apps were removed here. I will defend the apps and their devs, because I see and share their struggle on Nostr. And at least they have grants!

Simply put- Nostr grows better with great leadership. Great leadership leads by example. There is no "one great leader" on Nostr and we will never need one.

But, what we do need are great leaders.

This looks like great leadership to me.

Keep doing that, nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspr3mhxue69uhksmmyd33x7epwvdhhyctrd3jjuar0dak8xtcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7208x3z and you won't ever be featured in my censorship activism. 🤣 https://sovereignoperators.github.io/

This protocol can thrive in every way it deems fit without all of the drama. It just takes teamwork and discussion. I believe in Nostrapps and fiatjaf just as much as I believe in CornyChat, Hivetalk, relay.tools and Wavlake. But as a user I have my preferences. I want to see my devs win too. And I'd like to see Nostr embrace their wins just as much as other people's. What I hate to see is people feel like their work was for nothing, and even tiny actions can have that effect. I think the solution is simply awareness of each other's feelings. Maybe it sounds lame but it's real. I use these great Nostr apps and the protocol to surround myself with great people whose feelings matter to me. That's why I Nostr.

Not sure what I'm even trying to say anymore. I remember a comment suggesting that nostrapps.com should be decentralized and managed via events. I do think there is great potential in someone doing it- but I'm not volunteering for that role either, so I understand if no one else is eager. I have assumed this might happen for 3 years but it has not yet.

So here we are. This is the state of Nostr. We know what looks best and we know what works best. But imo we should care about the efforts behind everyone's project first and foremost. Respect the devs. It should be easy, I think. NINO's be damned. 🤣

Crushing vitamins and soy into a powder and mixing it with water is considered "extreme" for a lot of people 🤣 I don't even think I'm exempt from this one but I respect my place in it