I'm glad you understand what a non sequitur is. And here I was thinking you were an absolute moron
Define this.
You say "this" is a stupid argument.
But
1. I never argued Monero is better money than Bitcoin
2. I had a list of different points. Which of them were "this" which is singular. Or are you completely incapable of comprehending nuance.
Yes, I get paid $100 every time you use monero. Please use it! Please!!!
Yeah man I stopped counting somewhere in my 30s
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New territory on stacker news.
First post announcing it.
https://stacker.news/items/877547/r/expatriotic
## Calling all from the #monero and #privacy on #nostr to help shift the conversation that takes place on stacker.news
```People have questions. They don't even know where to get monero.```
Also I made two monero posts on SN before my territory went live.
1. "Monero Shill" in the cryptocurrency territory. https://stacker.news/items/877476/r/expatriotic
2. "The privacy discussion of LN versus Monero as a Bitcoin layer 2." In the privacy territory. https://stacker.news/items/877460/r/expatriotic
U south African? Lekker braai haha. I work with a bunch of South Africans
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These are all the same points that I constantly go round and round with LN maxis. There are several metrics you can look at to see that LN is largely custodial users and so the full potential privacy benefits of LN don't apply to vast majority of it's users. That's obviously because of it's horrid UX of using privately.
1. "find my transaction" is a funny one because they are sort of right. If I'm using Wallet of Satoshi I'm pretty private from the general public, but that isn't the only threat. You're not private at all from Wallet of Satoshi, hackers/data leaks that get access to that centralized information (data breaches happen constantly), and governments that coerce WoS into giving them that info. It's similar privacy to a bank.
2. Very common misdirection tactic: Transactional privacy --> SoV
3. Yep pretty nuanced and depends how the person you're arguing with uses it.
4. "The market is right" as they often say. I think if Lightning started off with similar ease of sovereign UX (and default blinded paths) it would be probably be competitive with Monero on DNMs. But that still isnt the case and it would take a lot to change current inertia especially with Monero being able to support L2s soon.
5. High fees onchain translate to problems transacting on LN. This happens every time there is a high fee environment - like early last year for example.
ASINQ already tell us we have no privacy from them:
https://phoenix.acinq.co/faq#how-private-are-my-payments-on-phoenix
https://phoenix.acinq.co/privacy#lightning-privacy
Not sure if you've listened to this conversation about the nuances of LN vs Monero privacy with SuperTestNet and Luke Parker:
It stopped playing at minute 49... Couldn't find this on the Opt Out podcast on Podverse
Click at the bottom. It's a stacker.news thing.
He's tenacious. Although a bit intellectually dishonest
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These are all the same points that I constantly go round and round with LN maxis. There are several metrics you can look at to see that LN is largely custodial users and so the full potential privacy benefits of LN don't apply to vast majority of it's users. That's obviously because of it's horrid UX of using privately.
1. "find my transaction" is a funny one because they are sort of right. If I'm using Wallet of Satoshi I'm pretty private from the general public, but that isn't the only threat. You're not private at all from Wallet of Satoshi, hackers/data leaks that get access to that centralized information (data breaches happen constantly), and governments that coerce WoS into giving them that info. It's similar privacy to a bank.
2. Very common misdirection tactic: Transactional privacy --> SoV
3. Yep pretty nuanced and depends how the person you're arguing with uses it.
4. "The market is right" as they often say. I think if Lightning started off with similar ease of sovereign UX (and default blinded paths) it would be probably be competitive with Monero on DNMs. But that still isnt the case and it would take a lot to change current inertia especially with Monero being able to support L2s soon.
5. High fees onchain translate to problems transacting on LN. This happens every time there is a high fee environment - like early last year for example.
ASINQ already tell us we have no privacy from them:
https://phoenix.acinq.co/faq#how-private-are-my-payments-on-phoenix
https://phoenix.acinq.co/privacy#lightning-privacy
Not sure if you've listened to this conversation about the nuances of LN vs Monero privacy with SuperTestNet and Luke Parker:
Not yet, will give it a listen. Seth for Privacy is doing a show with nostr:nprofile1qqs0sxxdz722j74u5kvzym4chlualjx0jef32llvdveg98jpqs0tmlgpzdmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuef0amkmxc. They're two episodes deep. nostr:nprofile1qqsfvzdsjdzsm4lq47ecjcv6ekhju6sddqtujd2j7wg3upd4ptnnu0gpzdmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuef07r6dtk
HMU on Signal @expatriotic.01
I can pay you with monero for the dollars
Was about to sit down and write a guide. But shenanigans on stacker.news had me go a different way.
Just made two monero posts on SN
1. "Monero Shill" <https://stacker.news/items/877476/r/expatriotic>
2. "The privacy discussion of LN versus Monero as a Bitcoin layer 2." <https://stacker.news/items/877460/r/expatriotic>
#privacy
#monero
Time to write another guide.
That sucks... Basically the only bank I use when I use fiat.
For sure, Bitcoin not tied to your identity is awesome! I mine Bitcoin and never buy KYC. Did you mean to comment on my post or a different monero maxi post?
This post was to help educate LN advocates about some of the difficulties with their argumentation. Or maybe you didn't read it? Only reason I can think you'd post such a non sequitur.
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