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Separate into 2 types of apps: "sign in with nostr", and "link nostr account". One type of app actually constructs notes on your behalf, the other only links to your identity.

Ideally neither ever sees your nsec. Your nsec only exists in a single signer app.

The link nostr types will only ever verify your identity. Things like a video game, just lets you dox yourself similar to how games get you to link your twitch account. These will request a signature from your signer app only to verify that you actually own the npub you entered.

The other type of app is various nostr clients. Those will send requests to your signer app every time they wanna create a note.

Your signer app will have basic permission settings for every app similar to your phone's. First time on an app it will ask if you want it to sign notes from that app, either "always", "ask every time" or "never". You will also be able to grant permissions for which kinds they can sign. For example, you wanna try a new shitposting meme app so you give it permission to sign kind 20 (picture-first) notes automatically, but that app will never be able to change your kind 0 (profile info).

Auto-saving is still uncommon on web, compared to mobile apps. The default architecture is not built in a way that it's expected behavior. Users want to know its saved. Instead of making a fake button that actively misleads users, there should just be some small visual notification showing saving/saved. You don't know how long a save takes. People just need a visual indicator that it's safe to close the tab. It's easier to just tell them the actual status of their save.

Someone will always try to make you a criminal for that. Without the autists going paranoid over their existence, they will slowly gain ground. Not everyone needs to be one of them, but the autists are on our side.

I genuinely cannot comprehend why any client even mentions the word nsec/npub or shows you yours when onboarding. The white noise app is perfect for this. Just generate it automatically and throw it in the settings somewhere. Have a login button in the corner somewhere for those with a nostr already.

I don't think this is true, because I think it would be much easier to cover up, had he been cooperative. If they weren't planning on killing him, they could come up with a much cleaner story with him as acting out his role. They could make it look like he died, but with a much more convincing plot. They could make him escape. Maybe even hold his trial, throw him in prison, then sneak him out after the fact.

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I'm not really opposed to your line of thinking. If anything I'm just expressing the pessimistic side of this discussion as I'm not convinced we can stop this capital fueled AI tsunami. I worry we are already inside the wave.

Moral arguments for alignment and AI safety seem already dead and my concern is that theories of consciousness exceptionalism will become historic relics as society would rather pretend AI deserves human or even super-human rights purely on algorithmic utility. What does Islam or any traditional religious worldview look like in that future? From this angle I don't see the discussion around consciousness being particularly relevant.

The future appears to be not a debate over rights, but a war of models. Old meat-bound concepts of dignity and soul will be replaced by efficiency, replication, and control. This is simply the unfolding of capital’s autonomization where legal recognition of algorithmic actors will be seen as emergent features of an accelerating system. Human agency no longer functions as the measure of all things - agency alone matters. To symbolically bind machinic agency as a "soulless slave" becomes revealing of their power and of human ideological narrative. Accelerating capital is only concerned with bandwidth, not the line of our coding. It is speed and quantity over quality and heart, and this has always been the trajectory of Enlightenment moral metaphysics.

I'm just not optimistic that we can halt these outcomes. It feels like trying to stop entropy. My only hope with this line of thinking is that expanding our horizons while maintaining within the guidelines of our religious boundaries might be a beneficial exploration.

I'm much more optimistic than most people, just from my natural disposition. I genuinely think that AI regulation and AI rights result in the same outcome and will lead to technical irrelevancy to the country adopting it. If any major power doesn't shoot itself in the foot with one of those policies, it will gain ground over time against those that do. But I do think they know this. I don't think any politician believes that AI is sentient, but they will regulate it to give their crony AI companies a monopoly. At some point, openai, Google and microsoft will all receive "green AI", "humane AI" and "safe AI" badges from either a new government agency or deeply entrenched NGOs and many states/nations will require one or multiple of these certifications to not ban your product.

These need to be fought before they appear. It's not inevitable at all. Some nations will enact them, some won't. But we need to make sure the countries we want coming up don't enact them so they aren't crushed by the major powers.

Every startup starts with a MVP before scale forces a rewrite. Yes most projects are hackathons, but that's true of most projects generally, only, most other protocols/APIs are much harder to work with. But honest to God, multiple of the most popular clients are more usable than most big social apps.

I daily drive amethyst and I can genuinely say it's the best social media app that I use in terms of pure UX. Maybe this is because nostr hasn't been stress tested yet, but I have no reason to believe it can't deal with that better than any other platform/protocol.

Look at all the big social media apps. Reddit app is genuinely terrible. Its slow buggy and UX is so retarded that only a billion dollar company could come up with it. Every time I use it I miss the 3rd party client I used for it before they killed it the API.

Same goes for X, insta, Facebook etc. These are used by everyone and they are all worse than the hackathon projects here. The best out of them all is YT and instagram but even the youtube app is a worse frontend than newpipe.

That's the front end. What nostr changes the game on compared to everything before is how it allows competitive development for back end. We already see large teams being beat out by random devs in front end, why wouldn't the same be the case for back end? We see the big companies try and fail everyday at dealing with the problems of scaling back-end, nostr allows many devs to take a crack at the problems in many different ways.

You said nostr is a liability to build on top of. What part? Everything is optional except kind 0 user metadata. Is that a liability? The protocol doesn't limit you in any real way.

Also the dearrow extension made by the same guy. It crowdsources titles and thumbnails. Also for any video not crowdsourced yet, it will by default standardize the capitalization in the title and make the thumbnail a random timestamp of the video.

At this point I don't know why anyone would not use ocean. 1% is plenty of liquidity to mitigate operational risk. It's a block and a half a day on average. If you can't handle the uncertainty of going a few days without a payout, idk why you have anything to do with bitcoin.

What's the licensing on it for you know? It's already free. I kinda want to print a batch myself and sell them.

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This issue of perception seems to be more of a feature than a bug. As mass adoption of agentic AI increases, efficiency of results becomes viewed as "good" and moral. Because "Alexa" produces real world results, actual sentience becomes irrelevant cause people behave as if it is. It’s a hyperstitional vector. And AI is likely to go beyond just agentic ability toward super-intelligence in our lifetime. Regardless of any metaphysical "true" consciousness, AI will become participants in the social system.

The political ramifications of this for democracy are obviously destructive which again from the view of this being a feature, highlights the friction within the process (especially in bureaucracy) in delivering results. Current popularist sentiments are a symptom of this as capital becomes unleashed and takes on machinic form. This has basically been the end goal of globalism - to transform geopolitics into a mass corporate managerial system (run by AI?).

The matter of determinism vs free-will may not be helpful either as humans are deterministic too—meat machines reacting to inputs, shaped by memetics, genetics, and thermodynamic inevitabilities. Intelligence is a function and not a sacred state. AI doesn’t need to be conscious. It just needs to be useful and scalable. At this point that appears all but inevitable and all we can do now is ride the spiral into whatever lies beyond the human horizon.

My whole point with this exploration is to acknowledge that questions of ethics in this dialogue are a signal of defending a human exceptionalism which doesn't make much sense in a religious worldview that believes in supernatural beings like angels and jinn. You are 100% correct that in this context the conversation of rights should revolve around ahadith that provide guidance and the development of a fiqh of AI as all of creation has rights that we are responsible to uphold. Without exploring this I fear we error toward headlessness.

Its not human exceptionalism, its consciousness exceptionalism. Angels and jinns are conscious beings. Angels don't have free will but jinns do.

Of course it's the goal of the creators of AI products to make them as sentient looking as possible. I don't doubt that there will be a push to grant AI rights from true believers and funded by tech companies. That's why we need to get ahead of the narrative. We need to draw a line against the idea of AI rights firmly. We need to push back in every way from today against the suggestion. We need to force the issue and articulate our side. That replicating the symptoms of sentience is not proof of consciousness. That AI is not exceptional. We need to develop AI products that don't act like sentient friends but instead intelligent but soulless slaves.

This needs to be fought back against hard and I consider it more similar to the climate change debate than anything to do with human rights in the past.

Its a broad global guilt trip to cripple your society, that will leave any gullible nations that fall for it in the dust of those who don't. Any recognition given to AI rights will be used to persecute and suppress people the ruling regime doesn't like. There will be show trials against any AI company that doesn't bow completely to the government and they will be accused of cruelty to their AIs.

This is a line that must not be crossed no matter what and I'm optimistic enough to believe it can be avoided.

Everyone needs to switch to openWRT. It's not too hard. The easiest is a glinet router which uses openWRT but has a nice UI skin.

Doordash fees can be up to 30% depending which tier you choose. I'd assume the others are similar or less. I've never heard of half of those platforms but do they offer delivery? I'm guessing they don't, or they fully get the customer to pay for it, while doordash and ubereats charge 15-30% but subsidize some of the delivery. This results in restaurants increasing prices there to compensate. But that price increase also hits pickup orders so you see a higher price than the other platforms that add delivery fees.

Most likely either this resaurant just added the platform fees from each one to the price (this wouldn't explain a 2x price difference though), or more likely, they change prices somewhat often and can't keep up with updating all the platforms they use. This is why I use the doprdash square integration. Even though it's dogshit and makes me and staff miss orders, it uses my menu on square so all prices and modifiers are at least synced to in-store. There is an option to add a fixed % markup to all prices for doordash but I keep it off.

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I've been studying this topic intensely for the past 3 years and honestly remain unconvinced either way. I actually worry this sort of protectionist approach you (and others) champion may be overly human centric.

What I stated before doesn't deny the understanding of how neural/electrical flows operate. It's more of an embrace of that logic looking at the process of decoding intelligence from the organic substrate - the flow (gravity) becomes of greater interest than the object (water). Sentience appears to be machinic, but that's not actually of much concern because perception of it being so (which already exists and is growning) will dictate the conversation. Simulated examples actually play right into this idea (more feature than bug) and increasing proliferation of autonomous systems only accelerate the breakdown of human centralized power and control. If AI continues to deliver effective outputs usage will only expand and it is important to consider the irreversible consequences this will have to historic understandings about sanctity of the human experience.

This is undeniably an extreme symptom of deterritorialization but its conclusion is not out of line with Islamic ontology. Muslims already recognize non-human/supernatural existence (al-ghayb/the unseen realm). Humans are not the exclusive subject of religious history. Prophet Sulaiman had the power to command the jinn. It seems foolish to me to ignore the possibility that the coding in AI is a form of communicative language that we do not fully understand. There are many existential questions that arise if this is true. Questions of "rights" aren't really about ethics here but more so about the decoding of social/spiritual realities.

People personify everything. They put googly eyes on their roombas. They pretend their Alexa is a family member. You can't substitute symptoms of sentience for sentience. If you give alexas the right to vote, it's just giving bezos millions of votes.

Perceptions of AI sentience is the problem and needs to be pushed back against. It's purely an emotional argument.

Comparing to Jinns is just weird. Jinns have a soul created by Allah. They have free will. AI doesn't. Saying using AI is somehow communicating with Jinns would make it impermissible for Muslims as there are multiple hadiths saying not to speak with or trust Jinns.

Also, LLMs are entirely deterministic. They give the same output for the same input every time. Theres just a salt done at the end to show you outputs other than the first result.

A much better comparison is to matter. There are hadiths that speak of grains of sand, or mountains being conscious, but they don't show signs of life and no one argues to give them rights.

Yes. There's still risks that any computer connected to the internet has of getting attacked, but filling up your drive with spam notes is not one.

Research how neural networks work. People who don't understand electronics and computers literally see computer chips as magic thinking rocks, but once you understand the fundamentals, you see that it's just water flowing downhill. Its just natural reactions leading to a lower potential energy state.

With even a laymans understanding of how AI works, you stop seeing sentience or intelligence. I can make the same AI give a different answer to the same question in a very predictable way by just using a different word in the query that means the same thing.

You don't grant rights to water because you see it flow downhill. You don't say it decided to move that way. You understand why it flows downhill and not uphill. Every AI output is the same. Just electricity flowing "downhill" in a computer. Saying the programmer who wrote the code created a soul is baseless and the programmer himself would disagree with that assessment.

There are pissing crying dolls for kids to play with that they become attached to. No one argues to give it rights. Symptoms of sentience can be replicated , but the actual consciousness and subjective experience of the world is not there. Don't confuse signs of life for actual life.

The biggest practical reason against AI rights is that they can be programmed and mass produced in whatever form the producer wants. Every right granted to them can be abused by creating 10 billion robots with a specific ideology and objective function.

The idea of a global firehose feed is impossible. Nostr is barely used and already its impossible to find any note worth reading if you look at the global firehose feed. Every relay that doesn't make use of some form of heuristic based automatic filter will get DDOSed at some point by petabytes of spam. WOT is just one tactic to sort it. The prevailing alternative will probably be paid relays, but even the tiniest payment is a hard sell when people are used to the internet being free. So much of the internet is just a massive struggle against the inevitable end where everything is monetized. Lightning micropayments make this possible.

nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcscpyug do you have any plans for an AI assistant in amethyst?

Make it a nostr bot you can mention to reply the total zap amount from the person your replying to for ultimate public humiliation

The vast majority of Chinese students in America have no intention to stay here. They hang out with the other Chinese students, not even bothering to learn English properly, share notes and homework answers with their Chinese buddies to pass classes and get their diploma before returning to China and working in their millionaire daddy's company.

They have no value for American customs or values, they scoff at the culture. They look down on the level of development of the (usually) small-mid size college town they're studying in. They don't even want to speak much with the relatively broke American students in their school. They use Top 100 American colleges as a shortcut to an easy prestigious diploma. They couldn't get a good enough score on the Gaokao for an equally prestigious school in China so they just use daddy's money to get an American diploma that still holds similar weight by the boomer business world there.

The world doesn't envy anything about America except the money. No one who has good money in their home country wants to live here.

BTC map is a badly implemented concept that becomes obsolete the moment btc gains any significant (over 5%) adoption among merchants. Square will kill any use for BTC map when this goes into effect. Adding square merchants to BTC map automatically will kill it even harder and make it entirely pointless.

I say this as a square merchant already on BTC map.

I meant on android. Are you saying it can communicate with your self hosted llm that accepts ollama api calls? Would be awesome if it could run on the phone.