No.
Nostr is a protocol, which can be used for real-time communication, much like many TCP/IP protocols, most of which have no inherent security features, much less encryption. Encryption protocols tend to be session wrappers, rather than part of the protocol itself.
To say Nostr isn't suitable for DMs is like saying UDP isn't suitable for DMs.
Well shit, if only it weren't its job.
I understand your frustration, but having read around it seems you use two clients primarily - Primal and Nostur, both of which to my knowledge do not support NIP-44, and are still stuck on legacy NIP-04, which yeah, sucks.
If these are the applications you use and recommend, I can assure you that when it comes to DMs you're going to have a very poor experience.
Primal for instance is one of the go-to apps for onbaording new users - And they're being onboarded with legacy DMs - The issue here is NOT the DMs, the issue here is a lack of urgency by the developers to keep up with improving standards, all the while both their user's privacy and experience suffer.
To that effect, perhaps it would be best that they cut out DMs from their clients entirely, so you could have a more streamlined experience, but suggesting Nostr isn't suitable for DMs is short-sighted at best.
I recognize there are many problems that can be streamlined when it comes to the onboarding experience in Nostr (across any kind of client, really), but I don't think full-on abstraction is the answer.
The best way to make things easier is through education.
We know "Nostr the protocol" - But we don't know "Nostr the ecosystem".
Possibly, the first step to get users to understand Nostr, is by focusing less on "Nostr the protocol", and more on "profile interoperability between apps".
Relays need to become first-class citizens in the experience.
The understanding that apps are talking the same language comes naturally then.
Even for normies, after watching these easy-to-follow demos for instance:
https://how-nostr-works.pages.dev/#/outbox
Do you truly feel like it's outside the grasp of the average user?
I feel like making relays into first-class citizens of the Nostr experience is the secret sauce, and it's like discord servers (but far more powerful) - Everyone knows they can get different kinds of experiences on each, and that each has its uses, and that their history is segregated between them, but can also be shared.
In the end, it's a matter of how we present Nostr.
Wish more clients had delayed sending.
Was just going to say, it's an interesting concept and I really enjoyed Season 1 because it's the season where it's most explored at its core. Season 2 has a bit of this, but at a larger scale, such as cities, but don't go too deep unfortunately.
How do people think they get all those personalized shopping lists and ads?
Checking your browser history and chaining cookies is just one of the very small vectors by which information is collected and put up for behavioral analysis.
A good example to pick at for this are the Alexa incidents - Curious of what she has to say about those...
If you're still using custodial services, you'll likely learn the hard-way why they're not scalable in a #Bitcoin world.
They function too much like banks. Banks function based on certificates which themselves create a chain of Trust all the way from the PoS terminals, to the bank's CA (yes, they don't tend to hold their keys, even central banks and leave it to a third-party company, I know this from experience).
The "fiat mind-set" is an actual real thing in that its way of doing things was allowed to ossify over the course of many decades.
Take custody, or else.
And yes, that goes for your #Lightning sats also - From experience in previous cycles, as the value of your sats goes up, we'll see Lightning further cement itself as a payments highway, and protocols like #Cashu (which is custodial, but slightly different in that it has a few things going for it that allow it to break the traditional problem of third-party custody), #ARK, and even self-hosted Lightning takeover the end-user experience.
Why do you think #Alby has chosen to move away from full custody services and into the self-custody space?
It was a business decision, and a damn good one.
While I don't disagree, DMs are an issue, it's important to keep in mind that's not a Nostr problem per se - That's a client implementation problem.
As much as x or y aren't a problem of Linux, they're a problem of their respective distributions - This to say, fragmentation is to be expected.
DMs are only a problem if we keep using and recommending the clients that do NOT keep up with the best standards - And it's up to users who are AWARE of this to make others aware.
For me, DMs stopped being a problem as soon as I switched from NIP-04 clients - I told everyone I'd onboarded - Most agreed and migrated as well (again, no real effort because Nostr 🤘), some understood but keep using said applications but not relying on their DM implementations.
Clients, and by extension their developers, are the ones at a loss.
The quicker we can all come to terms on this, the quicker we can make Nostr better for pretty much every form of medium out there, be it your Twitters, your Youtubes or your Telegrams. It can do it all, but we as users of this open protocol need to push and steer things in the right direction.
I think over time, users who both see the potential for Nostr communications, but also care about privacy and security, will migrate to clients that do keep up with the best NIPs/other standards.
Lack of NIP-44 DMs is exactly why I've never really touched Primal and cannot recommend it, or the others. I like noStrudel as an "overview" experience of Nostr, but see it much more as an experiment than a day-to-day client.
I just completed a trade in under 15 mins on Robosats - Not the fastest I've had actually, but pretty good.
Stacked another 130,000 sats.
I hope you're not buying KYC Bitcoin and have sats on a custodial wallet 😬 For shame.
WHO is falling for this?
If anyone thinks Microsoft has left behind their EEE days, they deserve to the pain.
"CuStoDiAL Bitcoin iS thE oNlY wAY!"
Watch them take what's yours.
Just fucking watch.
Oh, that's from the CEO of River btw.
You're going to love what happens next.
Imagine the next 3 seconds that got cut at the very end. THAT's what happens when you trade and short Bitcoin.
2000 writings in a single year?
Not bad. 🙃
New Robosats release v0.7.3-alpha
What's new
- Android app now can use nostr to fetch the orders book
- LNP2PBot orders now available if you enable nostr! (Third party orders are not managed by a RoboSats coordinators. Please ensure you are comfortable with the privacy and trust trade-offs.)
- Better display coordinator info on the Create Order
- Fixed exchange summary
https://github.com/RoboSats/robosats/releases/tag/v0.7.3-alpha
This is the right way to buy Bitcoin.
Don't KYC.
You'll get F'd over.
Don't take my word for it - Look at history.
If you do not self-custody your Bitcoin, you do NOT own Bitcoin.
You are a nobody.
You will own nothing, and you will not be happy.
It is what it is.
Are you going to deal with it? Or are you too cowardly to do so?
This is literally a deterrent to me trying new clients now, and even recommending them.
No way in hell I'm putting my nsec in your app.
Well, that, and the lack of NIP-44 DMs.
#Nostr #Clients