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Saberhagen The Nameless
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https://pubky.app/profile/egheqxn78mst7pwdshtgxmgctsqspwhzqir1nucjgc981kbj8ujy XMR: 84mAJEgdihyRHkz8fGeuqgbQ19SuGeFWbhokJG2uMNMwTkDyoyQ3H7BijQNwSriSp9hHfaRGZYpCuKvHJwTer8av845U9py SimpleX: https://smp17.simplex.im/a#R1eFufRtZcsq_c7drIpiHLhdNGaUd_lSEjW1yMY-IvY

"the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required"

One major problem with lightning is it has terrible UX to use in any sovereign way. That is why over 95%+ use it custodially.

No one uses LN self-custodially. Even fewer use it privately. Downloads from major wallets:

Custodial (no privacy)

Chivo >1 Million

Wallet of Satoshi >500K

Strike >500K

Bitcoin Beach Wallet >100K

Non custodial (without node, not trustless, no privacy)

Phoenix >50K

Breez >10K

Non custodial (with node, potential privacy)

Zeus >5K

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Drivechains

Alright people, we are playing a game of chess here. The one thing, the absolute one thing, we can't do is give up the king. To give up the king, in my humble opinion, is to mess up the base layer. This mistake would disrupt the delicate incentive structure that ensures sound money. That sound money pegs the extremely fragile credit markets and out-of-control G7 policymakers that are creating clown world with their CB fiat policies.

We don’t need the sound, pegged, money to move fast, we don’t need the money to do smart swoopty things, we just need it to be pegged, immutable, and digitally sailable to actually stop the madness of clown world.

By introducing a whole lot of technical complexity to the base layer and potentially screwing with the incentives all so we can connect to a bunch of centralized shitcoin projects is like playing offense with the king when you’re down 7 pieces and the other player still has their entire back row at their disposal.

A. Why the rush!?

B. Why not just go use Monero if you need that level of anominity in your transactions. Why do you have to have it in a wrapper via drivechains?

C. Why risk the king without deep understanding and testing of the technical risk and potential change to incentives?

The beauty of Bitcoin is you can build it and softfork it, and we’ll let the community vote with their nodes. BUT, I for one, have no use for drivechains (that doesn’t mean everyone is like me). And as a result, I will not be updating my node and running any attempted “secret” softfork updates by the miners.

Schrodinger's Drivechain

Everything is a shitcoin and they offer no value or utility whatsoever, but we want them all on Bitcoin

If rate of adoption is lower than consumer tech advances + protocol scalability improvements (xmr tx size down 80% since it was created) then it will scale over time. This is not some inviolable law of physics. Nothing stops Monero from figuring out it's own form of L2 either.

Simultaneously a worthless shitcoin going to zero vs bitcoin and a massive money grab.

Schrodingers Monero

Oh it's something...

Most bitcoin maxis use it, but just don't talk about it for fear of backlash.

The few remainders that don't are just on the far left of the bell curve.

Oh it's something...

Most bitcoin maxis use it, but just don't talk about it for fear of backlash.

The few remainders that don't are just on the far left of the bell curve.

A tiny less than <1% bitcoin mcap privacy coin has nearly the same usage on DNMs and is on pace to replace it soon.

All this despite first mover advantage and name recognition.

Not at all a great point for bitcoin you're making but ok.

Convincing argument. I'll go tell the darknet markets brb.

I couldn't be farther away politically from the author, but he is a great writer

I couldn't be farther away politically from the author, but he is a great writer

Maybe. Anything is possible.

I have a lot of other issues with Bitcoin, but because it is one of the largest FOSS projects around with so many eyes on it inlcuding some of the brightest mathematicians/cryptographers, I think it is unlikely. Something wrong with it's elliptic curve would've likely been discovered already imo.

Still, it's intertesting to think about. This thread does a really good job of going into Bitcoin's origin from the psyop angle. 3-part thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1618641687022129153.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1618641974021480448.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1618642630371319808.html

So, then you are just letting a node run and paying no mind to the blockchain. Exactly like a Monero user would.

You are making my point for me. You are not taking advantage of Bitcoin's transparency. There is no material difference.

If there was an implementation bug exploited you would have no clue until it was already way too late.

Stonewall is basically a "mini coinjoin"

Ricochet is another tool on Samourai that is used if you need to send to a CEX or business that might flag a transaction coming from a coinjoin. It places 5 hops between your coinjoin and your destination for more plausible deniability that you were the one who coinjoined.

My advice is to stay away from L-BTC. It is a permissioned network with inferior privacy to Monero.

L-BTC:

Alice sent $[?] to Bob

Monero:

~6% chance Alice sent $[?] to [?]

Careful with swapping BTC -> XMR -> BTC to break your trail...Many caveats, trivial to trace if not done correctly, and not recommended unless you really know what you're doing.

Most recommended method:

BTC -> XMR -> Spend XMR

Alternatively:

BTC -> Coinjoin -> Spend BTC

Not recommended. But if you are still deadset on going BTC -> XMR -> BTC doing this will make it more difficult to trace:

1) Wait at least a day before swapping back into btc. The longer you wait the better. [to resist timing attacks]

2) Break it up into several chunks. Do not send the same amount back into btc in one go. DO NOT consolidate after. [to resist amount analysis]

3) Do the first swap (btc -> xmr) on exchange A. Do the second swap (xmr -> btc) on exchange B. [prevents single exchange from having a full view of both swaps]

4) Do all this behind tor/i2p or at least a good VPN (mullvad, ivpn, safingIO spn) to remain anonymous. Change your tor identity or vpn server for each swap.

If you already bought KYC coins and want to "remove it" you have to go back the way you came. Sell your coin back to the same CEX on the same account.

Then take your money and go re-buy it KYC-free P2P on one of these below. If you make an offer you can easily get it @ market price or even a little below sometimes. You just have to wait. Maybe a few hours, maybe a day or two:

[Fiat <-> BTC]

-Bisq

-Agora Desk

-Peach Bitcoin

-Noones

-Vexl

-Azteco Vouchers

A few more useful tools...

[BTC <-> Monero]

-Trocador (privacy-focused exchange aggregator)

-KYCNotMe (more exchanges)

-...And of course soon Samourai's atomic swap

[BTC -> Monero]

-Unstoppable Swap (atomic swap)

bisq.network

peachbitcoin.com

noones.com

vexl.it

help.azte.co/category/6-buy-a-voucher

trocador.app

kycnot.me

unstoppableswap.net