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Saberhagen The Nameless
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https://pubky.app/profile/egheqxn78mst7pwdshtgxmgctsqspwhzqir1nucjgc981kbj8ujy XMR: 84mAJEgdihyRHkz8fGeuqgbQ19SuGeFWbhokJG2uMNMwTkDyoyQ3H7BijQNwSriSp9hHfaRGZYpCuKvHJwTer8av845U9py SimpleX: https://smp17.simplex.im/a#R1eFufRtZcsq_c7drIpiHLhdNGaUd_lSEjW1yMY-IvY

He's not wrong. Seems inevitable with how lightning functions. Custodial wallets like WoS are what 96%+ of lightning users are on.

There is already a big push to do what you're saying. They are trying to get rid of physical currency like cash in many countries and replace them with fully controlled and surveilled CBDCs. FedNow is the precursor of that in the USA launched back in July.

Because they don't have any direct control over Monero. Every other reason is a ruse.

There is already a push in many countries to phase out cash to take away that little bit of privacy. You are already percieved as automatically shady or guilty just by having or using cash.

Replying to Avatar Akito

Ever used Geddit?

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Does not use the Reddit API, which means you can use it from anywhere.

Great find! Thanks!

If it is custodial, it is an IOU, not Bitcoin.

Those IOUs can also be printed by the mint arbitrarily and don't have to be backed by Bitcoin.

You have private unbacked IOUs. AKA shitcoins.

Replying to Avatar Beautyon

And you can tell that they have no interest in spreading Bitcoin around the world. They’re interested only in uniformity of opinion, everyone using the same language, absolute conformity in behaviour and essentially being one with the group.

Thankfully, Bitcoin spreading everywhere doesn’t depend on people playing dress up, “Podcasters”, ugly Americans and other clown show Cult dynamics. The world will be Bitcoinized.

The question is, “who is going to do it?”. People who refuse to take risk won’t do it. Cult Leader speech police who think Bitcoin is about debates on how many satoshis can fit on the head of a pin won’t do it. Memes won’t do it.

If it were the case that the Bitcoin Cult could work to spread Bitcoin, there would already be billions of people using it. But that isn’t even their ambition. All they want is unquestioning compliance to the cult rules; they don’t care about Bitcoin winning; Bitcoin, for them, literally is Twitter (and now Nostr).

These westerners are like the Eloi in “The Time Traveller”; insipid, detached, emotionless, vapid (“stay humble, stack sats”), weak, human cattle. Compare and contrast with Nigerians, operating in a country where the Government is openly hostile to Bitcoin, and yet it is spreading like wildfire there, making it the number two country on earth for Bitcoin.

Nigerians aren’t interested in Bitcoin Memes and other Eloi infantilism, and yet it has spread rapidly. What are they doing there in Jos, Abuja, Kano and other places, and why is Bitcoin so popular there? No one is asking this amongst the Bitcoin Cult…you can pick your own reason why.

And “Bits” not “Sats”!

"And you can tell that they have no interest in spreading Bitcoin around the world"

Says the person accusing me of being in a cult 😂

I'm not trying to "spread" bitcoin in the same way I'm not trying to prosyletize hammers, Mr Cultman. If someone is interested they will find it. If someone needs it they will use it.

I find this "hyperbitcoinization" talk naive (and ironically cultish). Crypto like Bitcoin thrive in p2p black and gray market. The state is not going to to allow unhampered white market use with businesses and institutions. Any white market use will be under growing restrictions and become more and more regulated until it is nearly identical to fiat.

XMR is not an investment. It's p2p digital cash. That is your disconnect.

There is no speculation around Monero's privacy unless you just don't understand it. You can't see amounts or recievers on Monero's blockchain, period. They are completely hidden unlike Bitcoin or coinjoins. Monero has no transaction graph.

I don't understand the Fluffy Pony ad hominem. You don't like how he looks? You're basing your technical opinions of a crypto on how the devs look?...🤦‍♂️

How do all these future scalability hypotheticals invalidate Moneros usefulness right NOW? For all you know Monero doesn't ever grow to these massive sizes and remains a niche black/gray market crypto (most likely scenario). Or it grows at such a slow rate that it easily scales.

You audit Monero the same way you audit Bitcoin. Users run a node. No Bitcoiner takes advantage of Bitcoins simple math transparency and makes sure all inputs and outputs in 800,000+ blocks equal out. They also don't continue doing this every ten minutes ad infinitum. They run and trust their node to do it and pay no mind. Exactly like Monero. No real world difference.

If you are scared that legislators can kill your crypto it doesn't sound very unstoppable and permissionless to me. You sound like early critics of Bitcoin.

I don't see "store of value" mentioned anywhere in the white paper. I do see "peer to peer electronic cash".

Any privacy features built on layers on top of Bitcoin so far sacrifice self-custody, permissionlessness, p2p, or final settlement.

Just look at eCash eNuts that just dropped. Not only can they issue unbacked tokens - they literally and metaphorically hold your nuts. I prefer having the option of uncucked privacy, thanks.

Lol if this is only a popularity contest fiat demolishes Bitcoin.

You're acting like the average person in the world truly knows what Bitcoin is - much less actually uses it.

eCash is custodial and rehypothecatable, so not really a replacement for Monero.

Pretty cool improvement on custodial lightning though!

eCash is custodial and rehypothecatable, so no not really.

Pretty cool improvement on custodial lightning though!

Ok, then when I also say you are in a cult I'm not namecalling either. Just identifying you. Obviously you don’t believe you’re in a cult. But can you be sure?

...see how stupid this is? It's tangential. Even if I steelman you and say I'm in a cult, someone in a cult can say things that are true or present valid arguments. My cult status is irrelevant.

Refute the central points being made.

You're right, it's just jarring seeing the shitty defaults clearly displayed like this. Very poignant.

"Introducing: JoinStr 🦃 A Decentralized CoinJoin Implementation using NOSTR"

https://stacker.news/items/247580

Not sure this is a good idea...