This is exactly what happens. It creates artificial inflation in follower numbers and why follower numbers really shouldn't be a measure of someones worth.
I think it also causes a lot of people to throw up their hands and say their isn't activity on here because that's their 1st impression of nostr as many of these public figures don't engage with their followers in any meaningful capacity. So people see that and bounce back to Twitter where their is more activity.
I have been advocating for months now that clients should emphasize on regularly posted hashtags in on-boarding rather than public figures. Helps grow those communities and helps in user discovery as their typically hobby/interest related and they can see all the active posters who participate.
Nostr works on the principle of how much energy you put into it, you get the same amount in return. You regularly engage with people, whereas some of the public figures and bigger accounts, rarely engage at all, not naming names. So it's too be expected. That's why follower accounts mean nothing and it's a vanity metric.
The real #nostrfamous people like you make an effort to talk to people and actively engage on a regular basis no matter how big or small their account is. Engagement and lasting impressions on other users should be the metric whether your a celeb on here. You're certainly on my shortlist of them my πΈ fren
Paywall stuff is great in theory, but piracy is going to happen whether the account is big or small.
It's great idea in theory, but piracy will happen no matter if your big or medium sized.
Not disagreeing with the idea in principle, just stating a reality.
In theory, but as anyone selling digital products knows either through a store or behind a paywall you will encounter piracy. It will happen to you eventually.
Great idea in theory, but how will you deal with piracy? Accept it as a fact of doing business?
Not saying your idea is bad or anything, but this is a reality for digital content creators putting things behind paywalls or stores. Piracy will always exist and will never go away.
This is a good question nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z that pertains to me as I would be classified as smaller creator and would REALLY like to make automotive stuff into something I can live off of and get out of my part-time soulless 9-5 grind that I'm currently doing now. I do my automotive content right now as more of a labor of love as I believe in #nostr so much and want to meet other like-minded people who share in my passion. For now I do it for fun and to share in a hobby, but have thought about making it into a side hustle as I'm sick of my IRL job. If I could transition to something that allowed me to make $1500-2000 USD a month consistently and is something I'm passionate about and find fun in, I would be overjoyed and fulfilled.
Reality as a small creator, in my case, writing about often limited production cars takes hours of research as sometimes info isn't readily available, is inaccurate online/needs a fact check. Their is one time one of the features I have done, I had to actually go on a forum and find the answer as a simple Google search provided no results. I then have to write and edit a few paragraphs to make it worthwhile for people. Often times this clashes with other obligations, but for now I have made it work the best I can, but to be honest I know I can devote more, do more and provide higher quality value and create more value for people and #nostr if things like my job didn't get in the way.
Ultimately, my conclusion for ideas to make a living if I put on my entrepreneur hat on is by selling a physical products, a service or running events of some type to make a living or a combo of all 3. The only thing keeping me from doing the cool pie in sky ideas I have is lack of time and at times I'm unsure if their is interest in my content and lack of investment capital. I can't commit to anything if I don't know if their is interest here in numbers to make any of these things worthwhile doing.
I have seen some creator accounts link to Geyser to fund their efforts nostr:npub1hxjnw53mhghumt590kgd3fmqme8jzwwflyxesmm50nnapmqdzu7swqagw3 and nostr:npub1rxysxnjkhrmqd3ey73dp9n5y5yvyzcs64acc9g0k2epcpwwyya4spvhnp8 come to mind, but even bigger accounts like them aren't raking in the dough to live in any North American city at least from Geyser proceeds. I have thought of doing the same, but with no expectation I would receive anything from the broader Bitcoin community, just like here.
To me, whether someone can live off of proceeds exclusive from #nostr depends on a lot of factors and their business model. But for a lot of us the niche that we are creating content for is small and hasn't arrived yet here. For other platforms it is most definitely a challenge and likely efforts will end in failure as it's incredibly difficult to stand out from the crowd and centralized algos seem to be skewed toward larger creators in the niche. At least that is what I have seen from people I know doing Youtube and Twitter content. So to me it's almost a non-starter!
So from my perspective as a small creator, it would be nice, but I'm presented with a reality that it's unlikely I will ever make it, not saying I won't try any of my ideas I have planned, but to make any significant income to transition full-time is a far away dream.
I am grateful for all the support whether it's likes, follows, zaps, comments, reposts people have gave me thus far as I have never expected anything in return. I have been really humbled by this experience as going into it I felt people wouldn't care about what I have to say or the content I post about. So to anyone who consumes my content and happens to read this note a big thanks from me and I appreciate it more than you realize. Even if I might not interact with you on a regular basis I REALLY do appreciate you!
In the end I'm content with meeting like-minded folks and they can throw me some appreciation as they see fit, whether a zap, like, comment, repost, follow.
That's my 2 #sats anyway.
Agreed, kind of hoping for the experts to chime in. I would like to hear from the relay operators, client devs and folks working on the NIPS and what their opinion is. Like you don't really know how everything works on a intimate level and only have cursory level knowledge on how Nostr works.
I'm only a guy with ideas, nothing more.
Primal, it's fairly comfy here.
Let's try that again π€¦ This is what happens when you copy text from one client to another. Sorry!
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I have been thinking on the discussion I had with @`utxo` yesterday evening and @`SGT.FISH` @`WedgeSocial` today regarding the spammer.
I think at the end of the day the best way forward is to encourage more relay operators and allow relay operators freedom of choice as to how how they run their relay and data retention. Ultimately, as I said earlier today to Fish and Dan where I can see the #nostr protocol developing will be similar/combination of how the public and private tracker system works regarding BitTorrent.
Long term, I would like to see a mix of free invite-only relays that whitelist their friends or perhaps provide revokeable badges to make it more tangible?, paid relays, self-hosted relays and free public relays.
In short, we need to encourage more relay operators to strengthen the network and work on user discovery, imo.
Feel free to disagree with this note.
Correct as I was saying to nostr:npub1a6k75m9m2qv2ry8sz9u90hj38np8r5jvj374dnvzc49xke9wg7jqhnmu4x his motive imo is to make a statement regarding a perceived flaw in the #nostr protocol, where it's in reality its a nothing burger. Sending zaps through the bots and advertising his scam doesn't seem to be his intention.
I look at the future of nostr like how public and private trackers work in the BitTorrent protocol, free public trackers are a wild west and contain malware and garbage. Whereas private invite only trackers have standards and have high quality stuff, but you need to contribute a good ratio and follow the rules.
I can see something like that developing on nostr with free invite only relays, paid relays, self hosted relays and public relays being the worst. With the first 3 high standards will be kept and a form of moderation will be enforced.
In the end he is wasting his time and really only pissing off relay operators. Users are largely unaffected aside from minor annoyances.
One other possible solution client side that would slow him down is implement a privacy friendly recaptcha service on account creation. I wouldn't know how that would be done though or if it could be done on #nostr
Correct. Doing selective targeting of zaps same thing applies as above only would take longer.
No I was joking with that part.
He is unlikely to do that because of game theory, economies of scale + his own writing. It would be adversely effect his/her wealth which is net negative and wouldn't accomplish anything net positive for the person. If he hypothetically zapped people every couple of seconds with his bots, he would quickly run out of funds and would have to buy more BTC. Eventually his fiat reserves would run dry after a point due to BTC price and lack of funds, it would stop by attrition. Sure he could do it for more of a statement to make a point, but it's not helping him benefit any and he would need deep pockets. This action would only benefit the recipients of the zap.
The person in question seems to want to make a point about a flaw he perceives in the #nostr protocol which isn't actually a problem as most aren't using the global feed. My guess, to motive is he wants to do this to goad clients or relays to implement censorship measures and then decry Nostr being no better than Twitter, etc.
That's my take.
Hope he has a blank check to make us all rich in the process.π
This is part of the ongoing zapvertising debate and I imagine some form of solution will be found like zapping from muted members won't work or a threshold users set to allow unsolicited zaps. Users who don't want advertising can just set it to 100 million sats aka 1 Bitcoin preventing ads. We got some clever folks here and we will find a solution.
You won't notice it if you have a good follow/follower list and hang out there. Global was too chaotic to be useful before this, so nothing was lost to be honest anyway.
Only minor annoyance is notifications for me at least. But should be fixed soon.
User discoverability could be an issue in the near term, but this was a problem to be solved anyway and won't affect it too much.
Relay operators will probably prune spam messages from those npubs to reduce space on the hardware. In the future, they could always implement a optional blacklist similar to how the Yacy P2P search engine handles indexing of the web as a solution to this problem and just inform users of this.
You won't notice it if you have a good follow/follower list and hang out there. No one uses global anyway, was chaotic to be useful before this.
Only minor annoyance is notifications, but not a big deal to me at least.
The only thing it might disrupt is user discoverability, but if you have a good list that your following it's pretty comfy and you don't notice. Global is chaos anyway and I'm not sure who uses that feed option. I mainly use the "my tribe" feed so I can see who I'm following + followers and all the comments they make so I can engage with them.
Hopefully nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg can fix notifications to not display when the bots comment and their on your mute list. More of an minor annoyance right now and not aggravating.
I have to hand it to him for his tenacity.
If your lurking bot creator send sats, I'm saving up to buy a Murcielago in Giallo Evros yellow. I'm only 5.9 BTC away from that goal. At least make the bots useful and the money would be going to a good cause! Promise I will share with other plebsππ