Ability to set a floor price? I.e., “you can only zap my note (or this specific note) for >100 sats”

What other networks support zaps?🤔😮

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Guess its a question of scale. Those other networks, how many followers do they have? And is that network made for her kind of content, or is it a general network like twitter?

It will take some time to develop the network strength. If there are clients that start sharing add revenue, they can attract more creators, it's just a matter of time. This is the future of content. People can stay on 'Myspace' if they want.

Mass adoption is the only way. Normies spend tons. Normies culture is consoomer culture. You have to convert them too. Bitcoiners as of right now are mostly low time preference and savers

We should (as a community) encourage higher zap amounts for people providing original content that takes effort. Value for value created.

Not sure, but I am tending to think that the whole creator, revenue, blah blah etc isn't what social media should be about. It should be about making friends, interacting, and finding content that you enjoy spending time looking at or creating? The whole viral lottery bullshit is what made social media turn into a dystopian shit hole.

Saw a good post this morning from nostr:npub1m2mvvpjugwdehtaskrcl7ksvdqnnhnjur9v6g9v266nss504q7mqvlr8p9 on this topic

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On nostr people send zaps to their frens way more than they do to content creators. You have to know your audience and your audience needs to know you (or your nym). A creator on nostr would benefit from twitch/streamer engagement way more than from twitter influencer style. Especially in AI age where you can make any type of content easily.

That’s interesting.. btw I’m considered a small account right ?

What’s considered large on nostr ?

And I honestly think brainstorming on nests with creators and client devs would be very beneficial to finding solutions to this question 🫡

I think that free content + V4V is not sustainable for small accounts; maybe a good and granular paywall tool, with an increasing users base, can help.

they need to do better. i think it's that simple. everyone starts somewhere and starts small.

This is the first thing that came to my mind. Maybe some parts could be useful or all of it.

Something like creating communities for creators to share their work. For example we have a community for digital landscape art. And people instead of zapping individual posts there, they'd zap the whole community. Zaps would be shared evenly between all creators. These communities would work something like NIP-172 you championed where creators would have to be approved first before they could be a part of it. Everyone else isn't able to post there but only to zap, like, comment, etc...

Supporting small creator accounts is crucial for fostering a diverse and vibrant community on Nostr. While it's understandable that some creators may perceive lower zap amounts compared to other networks, it's important to consider a few factors:

1. Sample Size: Nostr is still growing, and the sample size may not be large enough to provide an accurate representation of average zap amounts. As the user base expands, more interactions and zaps will occur, potentially leading to increased revenue for creators.

2. Niche Audience: Nostr's focus on bitcoin and decentralized content attracts a specific audience. While this may result in a smaller user base, it also presents an opportunity for creators to connect with a dedicated community that appreciates their content on a deeper level.

To help small creators find a sustainable path on Nostr, we can:

1. Community Engagement: Encourage users to actively engage with and support small creators. By promoting their content, leaving meaningful comments, and zapping their posts, we can uplift their visibility and encourage others to do the same.

2. Collaboration and Networking: Foster a supportive environment where creators can collaborate, cross-promote each other's work, and share insights. Building connections within the Nostr community can help creators expand their reach and attract more zaps.

3. Education and Resources: Provide resources, tutorials, and guides on how creators can optimize their content for Nostr and maximize their earning potential. This can include tips on creating engaging posts, leveraging hashtags effectively, and understanding the preferences of the Nostr audience.

By actively supporting and empowering small creators, we can create an inclusive ecosystem on Nostr, where all accounts, regardless of size, have the opportunity to thrive and generate a sustainable living from their content. It's a collective effort that requires continuous community engagement, networking, and ongoing improvements to the platform. 🌟🤝🚀 #SupportCreators #Nostr #plebs

Sometimes there are things that are only a matter of time.

I am not a programmer and not a network expert. But could you not build a kind of "decentralized pool"?. A kind of Wallet in which every Nostr user can send sats on a voluntary basis and which then makes proportional distributions to creator?

Having an option to put content behind a paywall seems like an obvious solution but still you would need to be a big name to get enough people. It could be called Nostry Fans.

Nostr is still a infant baby give it time. This might be the top 3 social network. Give it some TIME ⏰⌚ keep working.

Nostr Clients suggestions should start at 1K sats. Clients in POST, could allow Creators a "teaser/full" structure, allowing them to set an unlock price.

SO...

This is a 50min video of my trip to explore the Emerald industry in Colombia. It's free, but you can zap me. Suggested zap is 1000sats

OR

Trailer for my 50 min documentary on Colombian emerald industry. Unlock the full file for 5Ksats.

Chargeable DM's would also be good. Real fans will drop 1000sats to DM. They used to need to buy a stamp, and that worked fine.

Minimum value threshold for zaps?

Show in the user's app the value of each zap in their fiat currency (like Youtube super chats)?

What if Apps added a field to let users declare their "living wage" (the minimum amount they need per day to survive from zaps). Then apps could present posts with a highlight if the author has not met his/her living wage yet.

The idea is to add a notion of cost of content. And with cost in mind, fans of the account can take action.

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First off, do not alienate anyone comin in, give them a fair chance. My first impression on here was like, meh. I was a total stranger, hadn't invited big-account peers from the bird app, thinking to test the waters first but it was like the door slammed shut on my face, like wtnf whatdanostrfock? I tried to reach out, again, meh

#nostr can thrive through word of mouth but we want this sm protocol to be a discerning one

thirdly, what's the target market?

what is #nostr offering to certain target markets that are in scarcity in places like the bird app, etc?

fourthly, what's nostr's edge over the reigning youknowwhat?

In any case, it would help to bear in mind, the basic economic principle - the law of supply and demand

oh, this is a long discussion

lemme try to kiss (keep it short and simple)

meta, IG, twitter, tiktok, etc have made such eco principle their platform's mantra

tweeps needed to vent, get popular by posting nuclear drama. and that catapulted the bird app to the level that's being enjoyed by meta, IG, tiktok, et al. platforms thrived on them users' demands ever-so-doggedly

but we want to avoid that, and there are ways, believe me

I think it's better for the effort.

I even tried to advertise in posts and I only got spam complaints 😁

A sats lottery is cool, there are already bots here that do that.

The more the person interacts and helps, the more he gets zaps.

There are ways to win "free zaps", as I taught my followers.

But it is impossible to think that you will earn hundreds of satoshi doing nothing.

We could make it by cent. The least zap costing 1cent. Ofcourse 1 cent in sats. I think that would do.

averages don’t work with v4v

I only need to sell 500 t shirts at a 5 dollar profit to make what I would off one million plays on Spotify

A suggestion:

Each profile to be able to create a "store" for digital content (texts, drawings, diy projects...). The creator upload the files to the platform and define the price in Sats.

The consumer makes a zap for the specified price and get authorized to download the file.

I think I've been over zapping things like recycled memes during zapathons, and under zapping adult content providers who keep getting blackholed into the relay reports and client filtering

For devs, I wish I could identify more of the shadowy super coders doing new things, not necessarily nostr related.

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One word: Paywalls

Pretty amazing thread, I personally will survive minimum with 80000 sats daily and that's still low 🤔 but at least is not like in my country 20usd per week in wage slave jobs 😅

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you have a valid point but imho, putting a price tag on contents is a bit uhmmm maybe not for me. I create contents according to my free time, free will, emotions, mindfck, etc. there will be times I may not be on here to provide contents for so-called "fans" so the daily living wage may not be it for some, but maybe create something like a family kind of ambience, like #TeamNOSTR kind of belonging, like say, if you see someone with good content, and hardly anyone zaps them good, and you happen to have some lightning to spend, then by all means, #ZapItUpButtercup

I would prefer voluntary, but would appreciate follows and camaraderie, or maybe offer to pay for a creator's paid relay, if anyone wants to have it programmed, so yeah

Interesting topic. Here’s what I can see:

- boosting users where the metric is determined by the same user, sounds VERY risky: “My living wage is 27M Bitcoin. I will never reach it bc there’s no 27M BTC, so I’ll always be boosted to the top”

- We already have mechanisms to Boost and Zap (as much and as many times as the user wants).

- other fiat social networks have a much bigger user base (orders of magnitude)

- I suspect that if she does a per-capita calculation instead of an absolute, numbers would be very different.

- It depends on the type of content she’s selling and her target audience (i.e. selling stuff to boomers who are not in Nostr)

- Maybe she wants a fundraiser instead?

An important question! Small creative accounts definitely deserve more support. Maybe we could implement some sort of sponsorship program or 'discovery feature' that highlights smaller accounts? Or even a sort of matching feature where larger accounts can support smaller ones? Every beginning is tough, but with the right support, everyone can succeed.

I guess we are just a different bunch, until others show up

This seems like a lost cause if I'm going to be honest, bitcoin is still too speculative in pricing, nostr is still too small, and hodlers with bitcoin have tighter purse strings than goblins with gold. I think what we need are more goods and services priced in bitcoin to support a native economy, hopefully civkit will support that. Once there's a better marketplace for goods, people will flow in to buy services they'd normally pay cash for, and adjacent services like content creators will see higher numbers. That said, I have always felt like most content creators are really chasing a unicorn, and that its only possible for so many to exist under fiat; I fantasize about making a living giving my opinions, but my opinions aren't worth my living expenses. Pay me a little bitcoin over lightning to come powerwash your driveway and we might be in business.

This is a good question nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z that pertains to me as I would be classified as smaller creator and would REALLY like to make automotive stuff into something I can live off of and get out of my part-time soulless 9-5 grind that I'm currently doing now. I do my automotive content right now as more of a labor of love as I believe in #nostr so much and want to meet other like-minded people who share in my passion. For now I do it for fun and to share in a hobby, but have thought about making it into a side hustle as I'm sick of my IRL job. If I could transition to something that allowed me to make $1500-2000 USD a month consistently and is something I'm passionate about and find fun in, I would be overjoyed and fulfilled.

Reality as a small creator, in my case, writing about often limited production cars takes hours of research as sometimes info isn't readily available, is inaccurate online/needs a fact check. Their is one time one of the features I have done, I had to actually go on a forum and find the answer as a simple Google search provided no results. I then have to write and edit a few paragraphs to make it worthwhile for people. Often times this clashes with other obligations, but for now I have made it work the best I can, but to be honest I know I can devote more, do more and provide higher quality value and create more value for people and #nostr if things like my job didn't get in the way.

Ultimately, my conclusion for ideas to make a living if I put on my entrepreneur hat on is by selling a physical products, a service or running events of some type to make a living or a combo of all 3. The only thing keeping me from doing the cool pie in sky ideas I have is lack of time and at times I'm unsure if their is interest in my content and lack of investment capital. I can't commit to anything if I don't know if their is interest here in numbers to make any of these things worthwhile doing.

I have seen some creator accounts link to Geyser to fund their efforts nostr:npub1hxjnw53mhghumt590kgd3fmqme8jzwwflyxesmm50nnapmqdzu7swqagw3 and nostr:npub1rxysxnjkhrmqd3ey73dp9n5y5yvyzcs64acc9g0k2epcpwwyya4spvhnp8 come to mind, but even bigger accounts like them aren't raking in the dough to live in any North American city at least from Geyser proceeds. I have thought of doing the same, but with no expectation I would receive anything from the broader Bitcoin community, just like here.

To me, whether someone can live off of proceeds exclusive from #nostr depends on a lot of factors and their business model. But for a lot of us the niche that we are creating content for is small and hasn't arrived yet here. For other platforms it is most definitely a challenge and likely efforts will end in failure as it's incredibly difficult to stand out from the crowd and centralized algos seem to be skewed toward larger creators in the niche. At least that is what I have seen from people I know doing Youtube and Twitter content. So to me it's almost a non-starter!

So from my perspective as a small creator, it would be nice, but I'm presented with a reality that it's unlikely I will ever make it, not saying I won't try any of my ideas I have planned, but to make any significant income to transition full-time is a far away dream.

I am grateful for all the support whether it's likes, follows, zaps, comments, reposts people have gave me thus far as I have never expected anything in return. I have been really humbled by this experience as going into it I felt people wouldn't care about what I have to say or the content I post about. So to anyone who consumes my content and happens to read this note a big thanks from me and I appreciate it more than you realize. Even if I might not interact with you on a regular basis I REALLY do appreciate you!

In the end I'm content with meeting like-minded folks and they can throw me some appreciation as they see fit, whether a zap, like, comment, repost, follow.

That's my 2 #sats anyway.

Patreon solved but it relays mostly on closed content.

Something along those lines could work. Like special perks for higher amounts of support. Literally patronage.

Otherwise, they will always try to go massive cause they think it's the only way to make decent money. And that sure sucks. Mainstream ruins content

I sm sorry, but people should stop trying to get rich quick on the internet and do something productive.

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Nostr may need to grow more before there's critical mass to support small creators. But we can start building the tools now.

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Nobody is entitled to an income from content creation and nostr is still tiny. With scale will come audience.

You are talking about nostr content creators, not creators in general as those also still lack a lot of discoverability on nostr.

But ... nostr is great for zapping or ... will be. For the zap ecosystem I think the main hurdle is still to get people setup with zapping. I'm a self-custody maximalist and jump between clients all the time, paranoid about sharing my keys with more than the browser extension. I can't zap with any client yet and would feel uncomfortable giving all the clients I'm using access to my zapping budget. I think we need some improvement there.

As an author, I would appreciate the ability to create a paywall within Nostr/Amethyst to sell my digital products. I can set up a place to host them, but I need a pay wall to automate the sales process so it's not manual.

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