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apparently hivetalk, cornychat and relaytools were all kicked off the nostrapps.com , for whatever reason we're not doing "legit" work anymore
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fiatjaf 11mo ago

None of these apps qualify as Nostr "clients" to me. I am using this term with a (more or less) strict meaning, not to say they are bad or somehow not "legit". Not all things have to be Nostr clients, in fact most apps in the world should definitely not be Nostr clients. And at the same time most apps in the world would benefit from Nostr logins or some other form of light Nostr integration, which seems to be the case of all these apps that were "kicked" (well, relaytools is different, it is a relay provider service, so not really a customer-facing "app" in any sense).

I have used Hivetalk many times and I think it is very good and I'm glad it exists. Same for Relaytools. I'm also glad that Wavlake has whatever the Nostr integration they have (I've not used it myself).

nostrapps.com is not a list of "good apps", it's a list of "good Nostr clients", the criteria for that is not super well-defined, but basically the app has to strive for interoperability with other apps, it has to have a reasonable spec -- preferably a NIP -- that allows others to build independent apps that will interface (view, create, interact) with those core elements, using Nostr relays and events for coordination.

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cloud fodder 11mo ago

i think all of these apps do that, we are all using and collabing on making nips and interop

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tigs 11mo ago

wtf are you talking about?

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tigs 11mo ago

Your site should be renamed NostrClients.com and not nostrapps.com, you are contradicting yourself

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fiatjaf 11mo ago

I can't find the rename button.

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nostr.build 11mo ago

Took the words out of my mouth

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π•Ύπ–Šπ–— π•Ύπ–‘π–Šπ–Šπ–•π–ž 11mo ago

what do you think about my meme

nostr:note1j37w0tlw25rp2ut2ry9fx7h8mqtl5fd7qkjdeh03e899eydytpcshwjg9m

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fiatjaf 11mo ago

Sorry but your meme is not a Nostr client.

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MAKE SONGS LONGER 11mo ago

He got you there, Sleepy πŸ˜‚

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π•Ύπ–Šπ–— π•Ύπ–‘π–Šπ–Šπ–•π–ž 11mo ago

idk bout alldat he changes his mind on the daily about what’s a β€œNostr app” you never know tomorrow he might change his mind n it could be the best Nostr app on that list

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MAKE SONGS LONGER 11mo ago

He can run his site how he likes. But I think @hivetalk and nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg deserve to be on the list.

The criteria is too tight. Throw more on the list not less. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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π•Ύπ–Šπ–— π•Ύπ–‘π–Šπ–Šπ–•π–ž 11mo ago

not his site, it became what it became bc it WAS NOT his site, I promise you this, if it would’ve been his site from the start it would be nowhere right now.

he’s great at many things but creating a site n maintaining it isn’t one of them lol

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MAKE SONGS LONGER 11mo ago

The main problem with that site was the lack of transparency. We didn’t know who ran it and who to contact so we just started posting notes that nostr:npub1yfg0d955c2jrj2080ew7pa4xrtj7x7s7umt28wh0zurwmxgpyj9shwv6vg should be on it and that Wavman needed to be taken down.

I’m sure he got enjoyment from our trolling 🧌 but I’m sure many did πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Not Sure 11mo ago

Is it true you don't even gm?

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IHateMrBeast 11mo ago

Do you know what else is not nostr client Cocomelon or Mr beast

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π•Ύπ–Šπ–— π•Ύπ–‘π–Šπ–Šπ–•π–ž 11mo ago

I literally sign events on both of those

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IHateMrBeast 11mo ago

Well you shouldn’t

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semisol 11mo ago

Nostr.band is not a Nostr client

Npub.pro is also not really a Nostr client (CMS that pulls from Nostr)

Nos2x is a Nostr signing extension not a client

Amber is a remote signer not a client

Zapplepay is an external service

Nostrame is not either

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bevo 11mo ago

Seems we have somewhat a wonky line at best.

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nostr.build 11mo ago

βœ…πŸ’―

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brugeman 11mo ago

If nostr.band isn't a nostr client then primal isn't too. Npub.pro is 100% nostr client - it talks to outbox relays of site authors and has 0 dependency on a particular server/relay.

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Luxas 11mo ago

my dear fren... y u no add Anonostr.com 😭

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Kajoozie Maflingo 11mo ago

You left Yondar in the list ffs... it has zero users and even less development

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Jay 11mo ago

People should make their own Nostr apps list. Let there be dozens. And then a Nostr apps list aggregator that is a list of Nostr app lists, that, since it uses the list kind, gets listed on the lists. List-ception is how we win.

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🐒 11mo ago

fiatjaf is (not) the CEO of nostr.

GFY

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Veld 11mo ago

He has an good conceptual understanding Hopefully based on a sort of a hierarchy which motivated him to do this in first place, so "I'd hear him out"

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mrecheese πŸ§€ 11mo ago

I use 3 Nostr apps regularly. Amethyst, Corny Chat, and Hivetalk. But only one of those is a Nostr app? I don't see the logic there at all.

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α΄›Κœα΄‡ α΄…α΄‡α΄€α΄›Κœ ᴏꜰ α΄ΚŸα΄‡α΄‹α΄œ 11mo ago

client is just one of many kinds of apps

a server is an app

a system service is an app

the GUI is an app

the computer is an app

it means something that does something

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Jeroen Ubbink 11mo ago

I would look at it the same way like a browser, an email application or ssh are also not "TCP clients", while strictly speaking they do use that protocol under the hood.

Or a real-world analogy: we do not define cars, bikes or motors like "road vehicles" even though they mostly use a road.

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Autumn Sun β˜€οΈπŸŒ˜β˜―οΈ 11mo ago

So instead of road vehicles lets call them vehicles.

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Jeroen Ubbink 11mo ago

Haha yeah maybe not the best analogy πŸ™ˆ

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Sebastix 11mo ago

Hivetalk, Wavlake should be on the list imo. They may not have a full Nostr integration, but they serve a very good use-use where Nostr is offering a solution. And most people would not care but I’m sure they will use it just because the apps works and the developers behind have the right intentions.

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BITKARROT 11mo ago

Right now, I'm trying to figure out what nips i need to make a "full" integration, and its getting a bit tricky here when the nips are constantly changing, and I'm not 100% full time into the protocol discussion cuz this isn't my full time job.

its difficult to build when the sand is constantly shifting under.

I'm okay with waiting until the dust settles and the definitions are clear, which they aren't right now. Some apps do "full" integration but they are also building the spec, which gives them the advantage to declare what is correct vs is not correct. If we're not defining the spec then its like, how do you even know what is or what isn't.

Either way I am not going to cry about it anymore. But this is something to think about as you go to FOSDEM how things are

As long as people keep the zaps coming and we cover the costs, I'll keep it going. If everyone wants to use it, GREAT!! If you don't, and I better put time elsewhere. Not going to get grants or vc, sorry. this is not how I fly for a pet project. I prefer running self-sovereign small businesses, and won't bow to an overlord.

nostr was only supposed to be side thing which has blown up to be much bigger than intended, for better or worse πŸ˜… I was supposed to be spending more time on BTC/LN.... now this LOL

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Frank 11mo ago

Fuck you fiatjaf !! πŸ–•

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Kajoozie Maflingo 11mo ago

Actually, all apps that allow for intercommunication should use public/private keypair signing, so yes, basically all apps will be nostr apps.

I'm sorry. Your little project is bigger than you now. Maybe time to take a more hands off approach.

Unless you prefer to be like Vitalik instead of Satoshi.

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Nina Chopra 11mo ago

nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 you've created something amazing. Thank you, from myself and everyone else here.

I think you and the community should think about governance. I don't have the answers, I don't know how to do it correctly, but I know that people smarter than me could have ideas. As more people come into this space, without governance, there's going to be trouble. Consider other FOSS projects, other decentralized projects, and how they do it.

Just a thought. πŸ€™