Once you go down this rabbit hole, you realize how much of American society is designed around the car.

Parking minimums, suburban design, all of it -- for a lot of Americans, and particularly I think the current center-Right leaning culture of Bitcoin, the "good life" means a house in the suburbs in a community that revolves around car use.

It's one of those "Matrix" things -- once you're aware of it, every time you leave the house or visit some more suburban area, you see how many intentional design choices there are in the built environment that make it hostile to walk, bike, or do anything except drive to get from point A to B.

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Oh damn, was guessing the percentage oil consumption attributable to transportation would be lower than expected...but a quick google tells me it's the majority!

It’s not the car that’s the problem it’s the fuel source for the car…

Car is absolutely part of the problem. Its they sell Americans on oil. There's been multiple attempts at electric cars in the past that could have completely supplanted oil cars, but they killed them in favor of selling more oil.

Because fully electric vehicles suck ass..

And of course there’s suppression of technologies that would reduce oil consumption…

Like hydrogen on demand or compressed air systems.

Sure, especially with batteries Being where they are today. Id love to see something Alternative.

You can put an on demand hydrogen system in your gas card today…

It’s not new technology at all…

Depends

I mean, yes, if we care strictly about oil that might be true.... The energy source for the batteries on the electric car is an important consideration though.

There's an argument to be made that car dependence supports a kind of "mid-density" suburbia, that is both energy-inefficient and fiscally unsustainable.

https://cayimby.org/map/why-evs-alone-wont-fix-climate-change/

I’m not reading…

OK, fine, it's mostly just support for what I said in the text. "Further reading if interested."

You could be running any gas car off on demand hydrogen and not need batteries… electric cars are the gas companies for batteries…

Fully electric cars are a waste of time…

Fully electric cars is also pointless until we have a replacement for diesel in heavy machinery. The reason all the urban planning is about cars is because the central planners of a century had no way to dispose of the gasoline, which was an unwanted byproduct in getting diesel. Electric cars force us to either increase pollution by dumping the gasoline somewhere, or decrease our use of heavy industry - and that's why many countries have de- industrialized. All planned.

Just burn the diesel or petrol in a generator to make the electricity for the electric cars is all that’s going on… so fucking stupid…

It's the car.

Before all our own train lines were shut down to force us to buy cars here life was better.

Before all the dense walkable neighbourhoods got bulldozed to make highways.

Urban planning designed for cars replaced urban planning designed for people

What? There’s still plenty of train lines…

Not sure where you live but it’s not like that for me where I live…

We can walk, bike, drive, horseback or take public transportation pretty much everywhere…

Just don’t live in the big shities…

Both inter- and intra-city passenger rail have taken a HUGE hits in the past ~100 years or so. You look at rail maps from the ~20's and they were like spiderwebs, connecting all kinds of small communities in the Midwest to major hubs like Chicago and Detroit.

Those have been gutted. I've used Amtrak, and it's good in some limited areas, but it's forced to compromise based on poor funding and freight rail priority, etc.

Most suburban areas of America, and many major cities, have incredibly poor public transit and passenger rail systems. Cities of comparable size in Europe or Asia would consider public transit to be a must, but there are plenty of 500k+ population cities that barely have a "shell" of public transit.

Yep. Go look up your towns history. Trolleys weren't just a san Fran thing but they are now.

I come from a long line of railroaders in the united state & Canada… I don’t think I need yall to tell me about the rail way system…

The point here is the car isn’t the evil… it’s the oil that runs the car…

Batteries aren’t the solution as they are an entirely different problem…

Don’t like lots of cars move somewhere where there’s less cars…

Oh sure your family worked in the railroad industry. I'm autistic. So who is the real train expert?

I'm just saying the thing with a laugh at the end of it, please don't turn this into a fight.

Not a fight lol this is the internet lol… more of a blatant I know the industry pretty well lol

Railegacy.

> Oh sure your family worked in the railroad industry. I'm autistic. So who is the real train expert?

I lol'ed 🤣

Giving up the car means moving into densely packed areas that sacrifice other sovereignty like food production on your own land.

I'm sure many here have lawn love but my land is a productive food source.

Yeah I want to differentiate living in an actually rural setting and being somewhat or completely independent in an "off-grid" sense, from The Suburbs.

Suburbs don't work without massive subsidies for infrastructure, and regulations to allow for car accessibility of services.

I think the future for most of humanity is dense urban environments, which are more sustainable than the suburbs because it's more efficient to provide infrastructure and transportation.

Totally respect people who go this route, but it's simply not feasible for 8 billion people to have their own plot of land and be off-grid independent.

Its very feasible. It only appears unfeasible because we think we're limited to "arable" land. We aren't. We're not even limited to land.

Right out of nature into the comfy life—working for the system to keep it going …and spot-on your comments about the weird (IMO) right leaning bitcoiners who promote freedom and sovereignty…if you follow their way