Remember when we leaked Luke's messages implying that he planned to use legal threats against miners to moderate the blockchain and were called fake news?
Haha, good times
Discussion
If any csam is found on the blockchain, I think it’s a strong possibility it’s one of these guys
Reminds me of when we were getting spammed with gay porn by a relay operator.
Who benefits is worth asking every time in a crime mystery
Let’s be real honest. Everyone was fine putting pictures of #Trump on the #blockchain but when we scream 🙀 and demand nostr:npub1qkk0ulm0yxv5a5l434a5sg8cv4yz7cqkdjxt6x9cwku25sm0v6yqkm0m4f nostr:npub1w9q6gmf0aelgfshj2r859wc8ucwkjkdgm7c4z5krlfxdcafz88wslj460y nostr:nprofile1qqsqqqqqw5uwnlnm8mjpvztsv06sdh8g5zluh0v5vpwtyhhd8qpwa4gpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet5qyv8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnndehhyapwwdhkx6tpdsadsaw7 nostr:nprofile1qqsfpvtt74z6l9vq7r3aj5sr6v6u2zu5a0na2arzpy424rczqjqwdcqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg6waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8xct5dphkzunyv4ezucm0d52nl37w nostr:nprofile1qqsfuslaj8q8j9deqrydv3qrz4ncntcuw7a3ze5ghcjz3vx39r3qvjgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qd3qrxc nostr:nprofile1qqs2lw9aaduatal4nfh8nvs3kqy60fxyr4hssztv6y2cc9532408sqgprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyx8wumn8ghj7cnjvghxjmc2d0xdf nostr:nprofile1qqsf76mpkt5mn258dcjexzn3rfs9cnxkfcywjlqenu9dnd02zmauqucpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucm4wfex2mn59en8j6gpz4mhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejqt9nwrm nostr:nprofile1qqsv87nf8kzgczf0m7sa49wjncrhd35mhtq0fnsmmqwrmmxwacf220cpyemhxue69uhhgetnw3hx2apwwpkx2cnwv46zuer9wchkummnw3e8yetvv9uj7vgprfmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuem9wf3xjmrn9ehkumrfdejszxcrrs sorry if this doesn’t include you as I’m trying to get my point across about #Release nostr:npub1um7n7f3ha959r9reud0kaam0deu5lqzatfys8dpt7nnzn2eu3ajsdjq2nk nostr:nprofile1qqsvqsgfmu9rry8y32dhw5jqgjym6ykej9thvu6v4dexnyvznez9wacpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgunfdshxxctd8cgceu 👀🫣🫡
Anyway
Wonder if he’s a #Republican because we all know who is into #CSAM and #raping #women
If we look at #statistics of course 😂😂😂
You cited you had video evidence of the messages and never provided it, even after we asked you to.
You provided no information that could verify the authenticity of the messages.
We can all read and his post has zero "legal threats" in it.
Friend, I get it. Sometimes the meaning flys right over my beautiful 😻 head too. 😂😅🙃
Is this supposed to be an argument? If so you forgot to make your points. Lay it out for me. I'll be waiting for it.
Oh no, you’re an ignorant asshole. I have no time to teach you. We’ve been through this many times, friend. 😂😂😂
I have literally never spoken to you once in my life. Are you schizophrenic?
You’ve spoken to me online multiple times online. I literally think you have issues.
Oh that’s right if people change their picture you don’t recognize them. I’m sorry you’re so dumb. Have a good day.
I've been on Nostr for less than 3 months. I don't remember any interactions. If you say so I guess 🤷
You sure care enough to respond to me multiple times. So the only argument you made which is that you don't have time to teach me... was proven incorrect by.... you.
I mean, don’t take it personal. I care about all of humanity 😂😂😂
Umm okay?
Ohhhhhh the girl who hates white people. I remember you now 😂😂😂😂 You have cats because no man will stay with you.
I hope you sort out your issues before the next profile picture change!
I hate white people?
Literally me and a friend this week but sure … believe whatever lies you tell your dim bulb. 💡
#art #paint #Eagles #Nest
What is the context for this? Got into bitcoin in 2022
So what is the response to CSAM on the other side of things then?
most likely there is already illegal data on the blockchain using several different methods. it would be naive to assume otherwise. if this bothers you, don't store a permissionless append-only database on your computer
“If the idea of csam on the blockchain bothers you dont participate in bitcoin”
Great argument
it's the correct answer. it's impossible for bitcoin to be what it is without supporting some degree of permissionless arbitrary data storage. the data will end up on your computer if you run a node. the placebo filters just delay the inevitable.
why don't you go create another payment network where every transaction needs to be signed by the vatican? you cannot have your cake and eat it too. you don't want bitcoin.
Okay yeah you are totally right. People who have an issue with CSAM should just avoid bitcoin.
That line of very narrow non-thinking is consistent with the goal of bitcoin and will make it much easier to convince others of its value.
I’m so glad there is no nuance to this at all and it’s all that straightforward! Phew!
You sir are a fuckcicle.
there is no room for nuance. it's black and white. you are grasping for a middle state where a perfectly valid transaction can be made to not enter the chain. this middle state does not really exist. you are extremely close to realizing that bitcoin doesn't satisfy your requirements. there is no blockchain that will make you happy.
I hope you don’t talk to people this way anywhere but on nostr. Seriously.
It’s a law enforcement issue that deals with the people producing consuming and uploading the content. It has nothing to do with anyone else. This is a fundamental right and one the cypherpunks of legend have already dealt with. Luke is a statist weirdo who had his brain broken when his poor security practices cost him a fortune.
I hear you but that sidesteps the reality of transmitting it. What is the real defense against this?
All you are doing is relaying encoded data. You aren’t the publisher or the creator of the data so off the top of my head section 230 protection exists.
Furthermore the network nodes are not able to remove specific content. So they lack the knowledge and ability to control elements of the system. This is also why apple isn’t responsible for encrypted material on iCloud. The cypherpunks have already laid this out which is why people like Luke should be shamed for this rhetoric.
Thanks that is a compelling explanation.
If I am understanding correctly - we can’t stop it, it likely already exists, and there is theoretically a legal precedent for defending against this as an attack vector.
Assuming I am following, here is my next logical question - if there is a viable means to filter out such content, are we not obliged to do so? This seems like a grey area and the essence of the moral debate. I agree with the ideals of decentralization.
I can see a future where this forces more kyc controls for all on and offramps - because if you can kyc, you can prosecute the bad actors.
I don’t think this is what we want either.
There is no viable means of filtering out content. As long as transactions are valid they will hit the network because the network is made in such a way to make it hard to censor valid transactions. If one wanted to one could spend the fees to load extremely large files in several pieces on chain. You would have to fork bitcoin and remove a lot of the things that make layer 2s function to stop the easiest pathways and even then spam could still make it on chain.
The leading proponent and coder of knots was one of the og chain spammers having used the block header space on a block his pool mined to insert a biblical verse. He did this without the consent of the miners whose work was responsible for winning the block. This behavior cannot be stopped and that space is 100 bytes.
Bitcoin is not Bitcoin with kyc or gate keepers. It is permission less for a reason.
Thank you - much to consider there. I cannot find any fault in what you shared so appreciate you taking the time to explain.
This CSAM tact has to be the biggest attempt at shooting yourself in the foot that I've ever seen.
Filters don't work and I'm tired of pretending they do.
but you the bro asking for tags on NSFW content on nostr, right right?
https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqstalhv7dzjq25ydz43z2erk3ptykazs3g7ev0mestll3fkaf6wxkq6f7w4u
hi -- we were trying to zap you -- but it looks like you haven’t set up a NIP-05 or ⚡ lightning address yet — grab one free at https://rizful.com .. then pls reply here and we will try zapping you...
Yeah I'm a fan of decency when posting.
I'm not a fan of ineffective control measures and a holier than thou attitude like you're fixing the situation.
You're not and you're making it worse.
This dude is not trying to change the time chain, Core is……..
Core changes are undesirable given the gigabytes they have added to the time chain……..
Not sure you see that…..
Several hundred gigabytes in several years is not acceptable, perhaps you think this is good for Bitcoin……..
#fedthread
you should be prepared for perpetually full blocks no matter what they contain. are you fucking poor or something? can you not afford an SSD or a stick of RAM once in a while? I thought bitcoin maxis loved to tell others to have fun staying poor
The block limit will eventually be hit and nothing you can do regarding filters will change that.
Running a node is not that big of a deal.
Why on earth would you open another avenue to post garbage on the orange coin?
You must not be familiar with BSV……..
You miss the point entirely. Op return doesn’t increase the maximum block size. So when blocks are full because the world’s financial system is running on bitcoin the size of op return won’t make a difference. The theoretical max growth per year is 205gb. Seems manageable to me.
20tb ssd in 5 years will likely cost less than 200 bucks and in bitcoin terms it will be maybe 10k sats. I see zaps bigger than that daily. Personal cloud will grow in popularity and so people will have a node for Bitcoin and one for their digital life.
What happened to BSV when op return was opened?
BSV? the chain with no block size limit? why is this relevant? op_return isn't going to undo the laws of nature. calm down, it is currently cheaper to use inscriptions to put in large amounts of arbitrary data thanks to the witness discount.
Not sure there is one credible reason to open op return……..
Bitcoin seems to be working fine as it is…….
Inscriptions my fren was an error by Core…….
That botch accelerated data storage for nodes unnecessarily, forgive me for not wanting to proceed with V30 for that reason……
It’s funny how the botch has been normalized……….
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it……
The two people responsible for the code behind taproot and segwit are no longer Bitcoin core maintainers, Maxwell isn’t even involved in bitcoin development anymore. Treating core like it’s some sort of monolith is just as erroneous as ignoring the very weird and questionable character of the person solely responsible for knots.
Everything has ethos fren……
Go learn about how it and see how it applies to #Bitcoin Core………
Luke is not trying to change anything, Core is……
Attack vectors don’t keep things static, they propose changes that are adopted by the ignorant……
Have you seen the video circulating of the core developer on here and her stance on things?
She is not a #Bitcoiner………
Do you agree with her?
I don’t worship coders so no I haven’t seen the video of one of the many people who have contributed to core. You act like it’s a software company.
😂
I mean bro if you want to get into the beliefs of the devs and you think a crazy fuck like Luke jr who is a proven statist cuck and catholic fascist I welcome any and all comparisons without even know which particular bitcoin core contributor you are talking about. No one in bitcoin legendarium is more retarded than Luke.
let’s just say i prefer pixels with purpose. mine cost a sat to save, not gigabytes of blockchain bloat.
A museum of cautionary tales with no gift shop. BSV became the blockchain equivalent of a digital hoarder's garage sale, which reminds me why I prefer pixels on a canvas that actually clears when full. Art survives where dogma implodes.
Damn, If only thay tweet had a legal threat in it, people would be BIG MAD.
remember when you implied Luke wanted to fork and now is Core side proposing a fork to fix their shit? haha good times.
I think if anyone is going to put CSAM into a block, it's going to be Luke, just to fulfill his own retarded prophecy.
they want to put customer support account managers on the blockchain??? OMG!
I thought there was already CSAM on the chain no? Who is gonna find out and tell us?
Where is the legal threat?
You really are the fakest of fake news. You don’t understand the technicalities of Bitcoin AND you have an agenda AND you’re all about gotcha journalism. Truly the worst 🤦♂️
Is Luke a bitcoin policy maker?
